Fundamentalist End is Nigh fever

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When Jesus spoke of the very end, He said that if those days were not shortened, even the elect would be deceived. He even told us to ‘watch’… several times. He also said we would know and recognize the season. Why would he tell us things that would be unimportant? Better yet, if it were unimportant, why would it have even then been written down later on?

Just because throughout history people thought it was ‘the season’ but were wrong does not mean that we should not watch for it at all.

The point in watching is:

A.) Not to be fooled by the anti-christ when he appears- it won’t be as easy as Hollywood makes it seem like it will be if the Gospel- Christ’s words Himself -says that even the elect might be deceived.

B.) To be ready for when Christ returns and also to help others to get ready as that is what servants do- they continue to work for their master even when the going gets tough.

I’d have to say a large part of “looking for it” is a part of doing what Christ said to do… That’s the ‘why’ of it. Only some may take it way out of context or get boogety-boo with it- maybe even for manipulative reasons. It happens. Its all a part of gaining prudence and wisdom when seeking God. Lessons to be learned, sought.

The bride seeks the bridegroom. She anxiously awaits to be with Him.
All good points. However St John in his first letter tells us that we are in the last age of time and we can be sure of this because already many Anti-Christs have appeared. He then goes on to say who is the Anti-Christ? anyone whio denies that the son of God has come in the flesh.
Through out history one does not have to go very far to find someone who will deny that the son of God has come in the flesh. I could walk out of my office right now and most likely the very first person I speak with would deny this or at the least be uncertain.
When talking of the elect being devieved, just as in John’s day, the academic elite denied this, also in our day it would seem that the majority of the academic elite deny this also.
Just as Christ is, was and will be forever present and eternal, Christ as the Word of God is, was and will be forever present and eternal. His words telling us to watch were as relevent in John’s day as they are in our own and will be for every generation.
Manipulating Christs words to try and make them more relevent for a particular generation in the pursuite of one’s own agenda in my opinion leads people away from the real message of the Gospel.
 
Left and right fundamentalists are claiming the end is right at the door because of the “signs” they claim “oh we can’t know the day nor the hour but we can at least know the season and its right at the door!”

Im sorry, but there have been periods of time were it was just as bad,

Middle Ages

Great Depression

the 1st and 2nd world wars

is there an end to their madness?🤷
My answer is “I’m sure in the next 100 years I’ll be meeting my end” and will need to be accountable for my actions
 
I live in Dallas, TX home to Dallas Seminary THE Dispensational seminary of the US. I get so many people looking at me strange when I do not jump onto the band wagon to yell THE END IS NEAR. I agreee we have been living in the End Times since the First Century. When I point that out I get the response, Yes but it is nearer than ever. Sure thing. Every day we get nearer and nearer to the Second Coming. But it is NOT our job to predict the day or time, but to proclaim the Gospel of Jesus Christ. That is it. Preach the Word and administer the Sacraments.

Here is the book mentioned above by a Protestant amazon.com/Last-Days-Madness-Obsession-Modern/dp/0915815354/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1369745810&sr=1-1&keywords=end+times+madness. This is a similar book by a Catholic amazon.com/Rapture-Trap-Catholic-Response-Times/dp/0965922820/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1369745926&sr=1-2&keywords=rapture+fever
 
When Jesus spoke of the very end, He said that if those days were not shortened, even the elect would be deceived. He even told us to ‘watch’… several times. He also said we would know and recognize the season. Why would he tell us things that would be unimportant? Better yet, if it were unimportant, why would it have even then been written down later on?

Just because throughout history people thought it was ‘the season’ but were wrong does not mean that we should not watch for it at all.

The point in watching is:

A.) Not to be fooled by the anti-christ when he appears- it won’t be as easy as Hollywood makes it seem like it will be if the Gospel- Christ’s words Himself -says that even the elect might be deceived.

B.) To be ready for when Christ returns and also to help others to get ready as that is what servants do- they continue to work for their master even when the going gets tough.

I’d have to say a large part of “looking for it” is a part of doing what Christ said to do… That’s the ‘why’ of it. Only some may take it way out of context or get boogety-boo with it- maybe even for manipulative reasons. It happens. Its all a part of gaining prudence and wisdom when seeking God. Lessons to be learned, sought.

The bride seeks the bridegroom. She anxiously awaits to be with Him.
Yes exactly, you hit the nail on the head. The fact that people are less prepared for the end than anyone has been in the past suggests that we might very well be closer than we think. Dismissing the end times as “oh of course it will be far away, everyone else was wrong!” is just plain and utter stupidity. Christ told us so that we might be prepared, He does not speak idly. Preparing for the rise of the anti-christ prepares us also for our death. Preparing for our death doesn’t necessarily prepare us for the rising of the anti-christ (and don’t think this is a protestant belief either, the Gospel of John speaks of what is more often regarded as the spirit of the anti-christ, not the anti-christ himself.

Protestants are the ones who make poor interpretations and occasionally think themselves greater than Christ in claiming to know the very day and hour. They distort the truth - and it seems the devil has been very successful with them as they have managed to confuse a lot of Catholics regarding the very end days by making us assume that it is a fundamentalist teaching. No, they surely do it injustice, but prophecies of what is to happen before the end of the world is a Catholic revelation. Lets not forget that.

Yes, people in the past were convinced it would happen in their time. It didn’t. Who won? Them, because they prepared as they were told. Christ said that He will return at a time that we will not expect. If we don’t expect it then we should have a greater urgency to get praying for our souls and the souls of others. That doesn’t mean obsessing over it, it means being wise about it.
 
Yes exactly, you hit the nail on the head. The fact that people are less prepared for the end than anyone has been in the past suggests that we might very well be closer than we think. Dismissing the end times as “oh of course it will be far away, everyone else was wrong!” is just plain and utter stupidity. Christ told us so that we might be prepared, He does not speak idly. Preparing for the rise of the anti-christ prepares us also for our death. Preparing for our death doesn’t necessarily prepare us for the rising of the anti-christ (and don’t think this is a protestant belief either, the Gospel of John speaks of what is more often regarded as the spirit of the anti-christ, not the anti-christ himself.

Protestants are the ones who make poor interpretations and occasionally think themselves greater than Christ in claiming to know the very day and hour. They distort the truth - and it seems the devil has been very successful with them as they have managed to confuse a lot of Catholics regarding the very end days by making us assume that it is a fundamentalist teaching. No, they surely do it injustice, but prophecies of what is to happen before the end of the world is a Catholic revelation. Lets not forget that.

Yes, people in the past were convinced it would happen in their time. It didn’t. Who won? Them, because they prepared as they were told. Christ said that He will return at a time that we will not expect. If we don’t expect it then we should have a greater urgency to get praying for our souls and the souls of others. That doesn’t mean obsessing over it, it means being wise about it.
Exactly, to me you can never be promised tomorrow, it could be years from now, or it could be tomorrow! Just be patient and live your life!
 
As a Protestant, I don’t think we’re quite there yet. Let’s look at an often overlooked statement by Jesus Christ about the end of days:

Matthew 24:14And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come.

We still got a way to go. We shouldn’t be focused on wars, famines, and all the bad things that will certainly come to pass; rather we should be focused on spreading the Gospel to all the world, and all the nations. Not necessarily so that the end will come, but because we are commanded to and the end of days will not come until this has been accomplished.
This was a major point of focus behind the initial missionary efforts of Methodism. There was a strong, pervasive, top-down belief that Methodist missionaries going into all the world would help bring about the end. It was an issue of obedience and of fulfilling the Great Commission, but there was also a distinct sense that Methodists were taking an opportunity to play an instrumental role that had meaningful implications re:eschatology.

Methodism isn’t like that anymore. They are still missionally minded, they still have a tremendous heart for the least of these, and they have become real leaders in ecumenical efforts. But they no longer make that link or have that focus where their missionary efforts are related to the end times. In fact, as big a thing as it used to be and as much as the idea was driven by the founders and early leaders of Methodism, the idea has been pretty much buried in their history to the point where most people aren’t aware that it was ever a part of Methodist thought, much less a prominent one.

So the idea can seem all right in theory, and it’s easy to see why it can be a difference maker in a missionary movement. It’s very easy to see how it can jack up missionary zeal and really get the people going. But as many times as this comes around, that’s about how many times it sort of goes away. That’s a little harder to see and it takes a bit more work, especially when a prominent branch of Protestantism buries this part of their history and kind of forgets that it ever existed. It’s worth exploring why that happens, too.

There is one part of the world where this movement is in full force, and that is in China. (Among certain Chinese Christians, not all, most are not directly involved and there are some vocal detractors). At any rate, there is a movement called the Back to Jerusalem movement. The idea is that Chinese Christians focus on sending at least 100,000 missionaries apiece to about 51 countries on or around the Silk Road. If the country is sort of between China and Jerusalem, and if there aren’t really any Christians there, the goal is to spread the Gospel to all those countries and then the end will come. So it turns out, it’s not a Methodist offshoot from the Church of England that gets it done- it’s Chinese Charismatics who mostly operate out of house churches.

It will be interesting to see what happens to that way of thinking. Chinese Christians associated with Back to Jerusalem are seen by most other Chinese Christians as extreme and at times a bit dangerous, not to mention a little too high on their own importance. So that’s something else to keep an eye on, see how that plays out in China and wherever Chinese missionaries go to.
 
Dear Monergistic,
Yes this sort of thing has been going on for some time, I have read that this was one of the main motivations for the essene community at Quamaran and that they prayed the Psalms 24 hrs a day or non stop in a series of prayer watchs in the belief that this would expidiate the arival of the Messiah or more likely in thier case Messiah’s.
I have also herd in my youth from some of my parents more penticostal/charismatic Catholic friends in the euphoria that they felt immidiatly after Vatican 2 that the secound comming of Christ would occur when the Eucarist is being concercrated and celebrated around the world continuasly, and that this would be a fullfilment of Malachi’s prophecy. At the moment it is approximated that the Eucarist is concercrated some where in the world every 4 secounds, before anyone gets to excited though, it is estimated that to close the remaining gap it would still require large scale world wide conversions to the Church.
 
I live in Dallas, TX home to Dallas Seminary THE Dispensational seminary of the US. I get so many people looking at me strange when I do not jump onto the band wagon to yell THE END IS NEAR. I agreee we have been living in the End Times since the First Century. When I point that out I get the response, Yes but it is nearer than ever. Sure thing. Every day we get nearer and nearer to the Second Coming. But it is NOT our job to predict the day or time, but to proclaim the Gospel of Jesus Christ. That is it. Preach the Word and administer the Sacraments.

Here is the book mentioned above by a Protestant amazon.com/Last-Days-Madness-Obsession-Modern/dp/0915815354/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1369745810&sr=1-1&keywords=end+times+madness. This is a similar book by a Catholic amazon.com/Rapture-Trap-Catholic-Response-Times/dp/0965922820/ref=sr_1_2?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1369745926&sr=1-2&keywords=rapture+fever
A guy on the internet said “The End Times” could simply mean the years between Jesus’s ascension and his return
 


Protestants are the ones who make poor interpretations and occasionally think themselves greater than Christ in claiming to know the very day and hour. They distort the truth - and it seems the devil has been very successful with them as they have managed to confuse a lot of Catholics regarding the very end days by making us assume that it is a fundamentalist teaching. No, they surely do it injustice, but prophecies of what is to happen before the end of the world is a Catholic revelation. Lets not forget that.

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I agree with you entirely. However, I just wouldn’t go as far as to say that it is just Protestants that make the poor interpretations… There are many Catholic groups who do too. We just usually don’t hear about it from the top and only do if we are around those who believe so, or see it on tv, etc.
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Not trying to nit pick on you, I just feel its kind of unfair to point out Protestants in that way.  For any Protestant reading I didn't want them to feel unfairly put down.   I would think too that you didn't mean all, just some- just as I'm trying to point out here that its also some Catholics too.   (Orthodox?  I don't know because I haven't had much exposure to their faith, but I would think they have it too).   Everyone has to come to terms with God, has to learn, has to experience the  personal faith walk, grapple with what is it they are being called to do and believe.   We all work with what we have been told.  Faith comes from hearing, right?  Anyone can make the same mistakes; Catholic, Protestant or Orthodox.
I always look at it this way: If God called some Christians to watch even more intently than others, than its a good thing they are there to warn us when we are busy doing the other stuff God calls us to do.
 
Oh! How very terrible those times will be, much worse than has ever occurred in history!
Yes, I agree, it will be terrible… But Jesus said of the very end times that people will be marrying and being given in marriage- In other words, people will be carrying on normal stuff, having good times, … just as in the times of Noah before the flood.

Instead of a flood of water, it seems to me that there will be a flood of sin, and acceptance of sin that will permeate society and because it will be accepted, most will be lost to it, not knowing what the true faith is. Those who know the true faith- we are told we must worship in truth and in spirit- will understand and battle against, but it seems that it will not look like the Armageddon that Hollywood “paints” in their movies.

Jesus says there will be earthquakes and famines… but perhaps he is speaking spiritually. ?? How else will those who are being married and going about their business normally carry out normal every day things when real earthquakes, pestilences and famines are going on?
 


Manipulating Christs words to try and make them more relevant for a particular generation in the pursuit of one’s own agenda in my opinion leads people away from the real message of the Gospel.
Yes, totally agree with this that this occurs and has been occurring for generations. One has to watch out for this as well.
 
It is all right to believe the end is near, as a personal opinion, but to insist that others think so too is not.

Some groups have insisted that you must believe the end is near, such as JW’s, and even some evangelicals. “If you’re not a pre-millenialist, you’re not saved!”
 

To paraphrase Cardinal Newman, “To be deep in history is to cease thinking we are living in the worst times.”
That is not a paraphrasing, that is a complete obliteration of what he said since it had absolutely nothing to do with the end times.

He said, “To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant.”

Oh, and there has never been an apostasy of Western Christian civilization as the one we are in now (the CCC says the end will be marked by great apostasy). And Israel did not exist as a nation since close to the time of the last Apostle, but it exists now, created in one day (in 1947), as foretold in sacred Scripture. These times are not like those times.

And there are those who think the promised Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary (think Fatima) actually means the return of Jesus, her Son.

And then there are those words of Blessed Mary to St. Faustina in the 1930s:
You have to speak to the world about His great mercy and prepare the world for the Second Coming of Him who will come, not as a merciful Savior, but as a just Judge. Oh how terrible is that day! Determined is the day of justice, the day of divine wrath. The angels tremble before it. Speak to souls about this great mercy while it is still the time for granting mercy. (Diary 635).
You might want to check out: ewtn.com/devotionals/mercy/coming.htm which has more, such as:
*You *[St. Faustina, by her writings of Jesus’ words of mercy, in her diary] *will prepare the world for My final coming. (Diary 429) *
God bless you.
 
I agree with you entirely. However, I just wouldn’t go as far as to say that it is just Protestants that make the poor interpretations… There are many Catholic groups who do too. We just usually don’t hear about it from the top and only do if we are around those who believe so, or see it on tv, etc.
No you’re right, it isn’t all protestants who interpret poorly nor is it all Catholics who do properly, but it might be important to point out that protestants tend to overboard in their error, whereas Catholics tend to be lenient in theirs.
 
That is not a paraphrasing, that is a complete obliteration of what he said since it had absolutely nothing to do with the end times.

He said, “To be deep in history is to cease to be Protestant.”
I guess I should have put a smiley face on it - I was JOKING! 😃
 
I hate to quibble, but some are using the word “Protestant” in regard to the "Pre-Mill, Pre-trib Rapture Dispensationalist cult. And that’s not exactly fair.
Most mainline Protestant denominations do not subscribe to Dispensationalist heresy. It is a product of fundamentalist/evangelical thought. True, fundies have thier roots in Protestant denominations, but a quick look at the history of fundamentalism reveals they walked away even from Reformation philosophy. They are unfortunately the loudest voices and drown out level-headed Protestants who reject Dispensationalism.
I will make this one prediction.
Events in the future, if they continue in the direction they are going in the Mid-east, will so tarnish this philosophy, that it will finally be relegated to the trash heap of history. People like Hagee, Van Impe, and Lindsey, will be not be remembered as great seers into the future, but as great decievers. Didn’t Paul mention something about a great deception?
It will probably destroy evangelicalism/fundamentalism as we know it today, and perhaps wound Protestantism around the world.
I wish no ill will toward those denominations which reject this heresy, perhaps they can pick up the pieces admist the rubble and the Church can come closer to uniting.
 
I hate to quibble, but some are using the word “Protestant” in regard to the "Pre-Mill, Pre-trib Rapture Dispensationalist cult. And that’s not exactly fair.
Most mainline Protestant denominations do not subscribe to Dispensationalist heresy. It is a product of fundamentalist/evangelical thought. True, fundies have thier roots in Protestant denominations, but a quick look at the history of fundamentalism reveals they walked away even from Reformation philosophy. They are unfortunately the loudest voices and drown out level-headed Protestants who reject Dispensationalism.
I will make this one prediction.
Events in the future, if they continue in the direction they are going in the Mid-east, will so tarnish this philosophy, that it will finally be relegated to the trash heap of history. People like Hagee, Van Impe, and Lindsey, will be not be remembered as great seers into the future, but as great decievers. Didn’t Paul mention something about a great deception?
It will probably destroy evangelicalism/fundamentalism as we know it today, and perhaps wound Protestantism around the world.
I wish no ill will toward those denominations which reject this heresy, perhaps they can pick up the pieces admist the rubble and the Church can come closer to uniting.
Here, Here, very well said
 
It is all right to believe the end is near, as a personal opinion, but to insist that others think so too is not.

Some groups have insisted that you must believe the end is near, such as JW’s, and even some evangelicals. “If you’re not a pre-millenialist, you’re not saved!”
I agree with this so much. Thanks for putting it so precisely/poignantly!

Frankly, I’m glad for those who say it is not the end, it kind of balances out the fear that one might have in their own perspective (it can get destructive if gone too far), and puts things into a better perspective, while on the other hand it is not so bad to point out to others “hey, this is occurring, it doesn’t look good, let’s watch out, lets prepare our hearts better and serve the Lord.”
 
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