Fundamentalists

[truthnlight]

yea that site I was on is a cult site (The Restored Church of God)

fundamentalist
Fundamentalists Anonymous Resources (The Restored Church of God)They they are just like SDA (seven day aventist) but they dont belive in the trinity.

 

[deb1]

I have to agree with Kevan. the term fundamentalists is pretty broad.

when i use the term fundamentalists i mean specifically those types who add rules to the bible despite claiming sola scriptura.

strict dress codes would be one example. yes, i think that people should be modest but the bible, itself, does not give any hard and fast rule on this subject. so, it becomes a matter of each individual Christians opinion as to what is modest.

extreme fundamentalists treat their members as children. there is no need to make decisions on modesty. it is all ready decided for the Christian. the rules are set.

i was drawn, at one point, to fundamentalism due to the rules. i came from an unstable home life and i really felt lost when it came to judging how to act as a new Christian.

i think that when individuals mature spiritually, they move away from this type of extreme fundamentalism.

 

[lak611]

Additionally, there really is only one church. All other religious groups are faith communities, no more.

Actually, not quite true. Orthodox belong to Churches, not faith communities. From the Catechism:

838 “The Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christian, but do not profess the Catholic faith in its entirety or have not preserved unity or communion under the successor of Peter.”[322] Those “who believe in Christ and have been properly baptized are put in a certain, although imperfect, communion with the Catholic Church.”[323] With the Orthodox Churches, this communion is so profound “that it lacks little to attain the fullness that would permit a common celebration of the Lord’s Eucharist.”[324](bold emphasis is mine)

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

perhaps only the “implication” that there is no need for the Trinity (which is impossible because They cannot be separated)

Since, christ alone only deals with I cor 15:3-4, the nature of the godhead, trinity is the background or foundation for his mission on earth.

or perhaps because many tend to ignore that we must make up (cooperate) for what is lacking in His afflictions.

I think saying that Christ is lacking, may not be the best way of saying it. Scripture does teach that christians will suffer in this life as a pressure to become more like Christ.

even our procreation, and our acceptance (or non-rejection) of our inheritance requires our cooperation.

“whomsoever, shall” No doubt. I often find protestants who do not understand the limited definition of Christ Alone referrring to his mission on earth.

I doubt that any Catholic would first think, and then deny that everything we have and can have begins with, in and through Christ.

Agreed, that is why I was surprised that someone, challenged “christ alone”.

by the way Daniel… how are you… ready for Starbucks??
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At this time I am in much pain, shoulder and foot. Undergoing physical thearpy.

Are you aware that Aug 11-12, there will be hovercraft races on Island Lake?

 

[Daniel_Marsh]

You may find the book, When Bad Christians happen to Good People interresting.

 

[Allweather]

You may find the book, When Bad Christians happen to Good People interresting.

Lordy. I should’ve read that back in the late 70s when I was a fundamentalist bull in a china closet. I’m afraid I embarrassed myself, and the Lord, many a time. I’m comforted, though, in the thought that the Lord can use even my fundamentalist foolishness to his own good purposes, seeing as how I meant to be doing his will at the time.

 

[Fisher]

I honestly thought catholics were in agreement with Christ Alone, which describes Jesus unique position as our Lord and Savior.

Only Jesus could enter heaven to place his blood on the altar, the blood of any unholy man who is also not God would surfice,

Hebrews 9:23-28 (King James Version)

23It was therefore necessary that the patterns of things in the heavens should be purified with these; but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these.

24For Christ is not entered into the holy places made with hands, which are the figures of the true; but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God for us:

25Nor yet that he should offer himself often, as the high priest entereth into the holy place every year with blood of others;

26For then must he often have suffered since the foundation of the world: but now once in the end of the world hath he appeared to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

27And as it is appointed unto men once to die, but after this the judgment:

28So Christ was once offered to bear the sins of many; and unto them that look for him shall he appear the second time without sin unto salvation.

Jesus alone is the mediator of the covenant, note the unique meaning of mediator here,

1 Timothy 2:5-7 (King James Version)

5For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

6Who gave himself a ransom for all, to be testified in due time.

7Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.

Peter himself declares that there is no other name by which a man can be saved other than the name Jesus. (Acts 4:11)

Jesus is our only high priest,

Hebrews 9:11-15 (King James Version)

11But Christ being come an high priest of good things to come, by a greater and more perfect tabernacle, not made with hands, that is to say, not of this building;

12Neither by the blood of goats and calves, but by his own blood he entered in once into the holy place, having obtained eternal redemption for us.

13For if the blood of bulls and of goats, and the ashes of an heifer sprinkling the unclean, sanctifieth to the purifying of the flesh:

14How much more shall the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without spot to God, purge your conscience from dead works to serve the living God?

15And for this cause he is the mediator of the new testament, that by means of death, for the redemption of the transgressions that were under the first testament, they which are called might receive the promise of eternal inheritance.

So, what part of “Christ Alone” do catholics disagree with?

"Baptism. – Canon 5 (p. 94): If anyone says that Baptism is not arbitrary – that is, not necessary to obtain salvation – let him be anathema.

This is a very popular Roman Catholic book, many editions having been published, fully approved by the Church, and especially recommended by the cardinals Wiseman and Manning. Quotations are from the sixth edition, Spanish, Paris,

"She (Mary) is . . . the only hope of sinners (p. 69). In Judea, in olden times, there were cities of refuge, in which the criminals who there sought refuge were exempted from the punishment they merited. These cities are not now so numerous: there is only one, and this is Mary (p. 407).

"No one can be so suitable as Mary to detain with her hand the sword of Divine justice, preventing it from striking sinners. Before Mary came to the world, God lamented that there was no one to detain Him in the punishment of sinners; but the Virgin having been born, she appeases Him (p. 72).

"We will be heard and saved sooner by going to Mary, and invoking her holy name, than that of Jesus our Savior. We will find salvation sooner going to the mother than going to the Son (p. 82).

"Many things asked of God and not received are asked and received from Mary (p. 82). All obey the precepts of Mary, even God (p. 115).

"The salvation of all consists in being favored and protected by Mary. He whom the most holy Virgin protects is saved; he whom she does not protect is lost (p. 107).

"Whatever Mary says, the Son does (p. 118). Mary is called the door of heaven, because no one can enter that happy mansion who does not enter by Mary, who is the door (p. 99), Jesus Christ said: …No one comes to me, unless my Mother first draws him by her prayers (p. 105). Having with God, O Mary, the authority of a mother, secure the pardon of the most obstinate sinners (p. 119).

"He who does not serve the Virgin will die in sin; he who does not go to thee, Lady, will not get to heaven (p. 148).

“Mary says: He that comes to me, and hears what I tell him, will not be lost (p. 149).”

 

[brosam]

Actually, I’ve been a fundamentalist for about twenty years now and there are several untruths in your post.

Their success is partly due to their discipline. For all their talk about the Catholic Church being “rule-laden,” there are perhaps no Christians who operate in a more regimented manner. Their rules—non-biblical rules, one might add—extend not just to religion and religious practices proper, but to facets of everyday life. Most people are familiar with their strictures on drinking, gambling, dancing, and smoking

First of all, I defy you to name even one extra-Biblcal rule we have.

Second, only a very small handful of fundamentalists are against these things (other than gambling, which most Christians are against).

The majority stance on drinking is that there’s nothing wrong with moderate consumption.

I’ve been a fundamentalist for twenty years and can count on one hand the number of people who’ve ever said that dancing is bad.

When my wife and I got married, people danced all night.

Fundamentalists also are intensely involved in their local congregations. Many people returning to the Catholic Church from Fundamentalism complain that as Fundamentalists they had no time or room for themselves; everything centered around the church. All their friends were members; all their social activities were staged by it.

That’s the fault of the individual, not the church.

Not to attend Wednesday evening services (in addition to one or two services on Sunday), not to participate in the Bible studies and youth groups, not to dress and act like everyone else in the congregation—these immediately put one beyond the pale; and in a small church (few Fundamentalist churches have more than a hundred members) this meant being ostracized, a silent invitation to conform or to worship elsewhere.

First of all, most fundamentalist churches don’t even have Wednesday night services and those that do, Wednesday nights are very informal.

I think the “dress like everyone else” part is my favorite. It’s true that in some churches (Roman Catholic, too) that there can be a fashion competition. However, I’ve never heard of any fundamentalist church that mandates a dress code, other than to ask ladies to dress modestly.

 

[Kevan]

brosam, I have to wonder how you define “Fundamentalist.” There are certainly many opinions, but your experience doesn’t seem to fit any of them. I’ve been in the bowels of the movement for thirty five years and, although I consider the post under discussion to refer to an extreme, it’s a very easy-to-find extreme.

 

[brosam]

brosam, I have to wonder how you define “Fundamentalist.” There are certainly many opinions, but your experience doesn’t seem to fit any of them. I’ve been in the bowels of the movement for thirty five years and, although I consider the post under discussion to refer to an extreme, it’s a very easy-to-find extreme.

Not in my experience, it isn’t. It’s a caricature.