Fundumentalist and literal Catholicism

[Greenfields]

What is Fundumentalist and literal Catholicism ?
I’ve been described as that and I’m confused

 

[Jestersage]

Fundamentalist, in discussion in reference of Catholic apologetics, refer to what is typically known as Evangelicals, but may include other protestant sects – those that holds the 5 solas in an agressive manner, which makes catholics who hold to the church teaching be their subject of attacks, such as on topic of rosaries, purgurtory, BVM, etc. In other words, protestant who are not mainline churches.

This is the first time I heard about “literal catholicism”. However, there does exist a group of catholic, such as SSPX, that holds Vatican II to be problematic, all the way up to Sedevacantism and Concalvism. They would not just merely prefer Traditional Latin Mass, Pre-1962 Breviary/Missal, bible translation, but view everything afterwards, including the Rosary changes (eg Luminous mystery), Popes and Bishops and etc, as invalid. There are no umbrella term for these groups. Basically, they are not in communion with the Holy See.

They are a small part of Traditional catholic. However, Traditional Catholics are not “fundies”, as many to accept the validity of the teaching of the Holy See and decisions made in Vatican II, such as FSSP.

As to whether you are a fundamentalist/literal catholic, it depends. If you hold to the teaching of the holy see, you could be fine, but it’s them who are lukewarm. Unfortunately there are many poorly catechized catholic that will think it’s okay to do things that are non chaste, skip mass, etc. If they accuse you of going to too much mass/confessions etc, then you are not the issue, but they being lukewarm and thus the issue. Same with regard to chasity and etc.

Also, whether one do a daily rosary/LoTH is a personal choice. Others that do not do that is okay; but they also have no right to use that to say those that does are fundamentalist catholic. Again, this is a common symptom of lukewarm/cafeteria catholic.

On the other hand, we should never do a literal reading of the bible, but always under the guidance of church’s teaching, law, and dogma. eg: Claiming that those who believe non-6 days teaching is wrong. It’s okay to hold it, but you cannot claim a 6-period creation understanding is wrong.

 

[rabbitdonkey]

dont think there is such a thing

 

[Greenfields]

I say my Rosary daily like I have all my life,believe in Purgatory,go to mass weekly ,confession every so often, and as soon as possible if there’s a mortal sin,try to be pure in the books I read,music and movies,in my thoughts …pretty basic stuff I was taught as a child and try to continue

 

[Jestersage]

I say my Rosary daily like I have all my life,believe in Purgatory,go to mass weekly ,confession every so often, and as soon as possible if there’s a mortal sin,try to be pure in the books I read,music and movies,in my thoughts …pretty basic stuff I was taught as a child and try to continue

So unless there are other details you want to share, you are a good catholic and by no means fundamentalist.
-Daily rosary? Good. Just don’t tell other Catholics you need to do it. But highly recommended! (likewise with LoTH)
-Go to mass weekly: It’s mandatory. Anyone that tells you otherwise is a lukewarm catholic and is committing mortal sin
-Confession: Even assuming you do not commit mortal sins for years, frequent confession (once a week) is recommended. Whether daily is too much… well, what does your confessor/priest say? Oh, and of course, confess after mortal sin is a must. Now the problem is that you have people who do not consider some sins are mortal (eg: those related to 6th and 9th commandment, but also those related to anger, and those related to how we treat one another). I will tell you that you should confess them.
-Pure in books, music, and movies: Tough one. I think this is where you are far more likely to be attacked as fundamental catholic… BUT! I would rather say it was me being weak in accepting, as I know many medias are borderline pornographic. Oh, and violence too. Take a look as Ascendsion Presents Youtube channel, specifically on the comments to Father Mike re MMA. Ouch.
-Pure in thoughts: Good. Keep it up.

All in all, you are not fundamental in catholic, and if anything we should be glad that you are keeping in line with the teachings.

 

[rabbitdonkey]

So unless there are other details you want to share, you are a good catholic and by no means fundamentalist.
-Daily rosary? Good. Just don’t tell other Catholics you need to do it. But highly recommended! (likewise with LoTH)
-Go to mass weekly: It’s mandatory. Anyone that tells you otherwise is a lukewarm catholic and is committing mortal sin
-Confession: Even assuming you do not commit mortal sins for years, frequent confession (once a week) is recommended. Whether daily is too much… well, what does your confessor/priest say? Oh, and of course, confess after mortal sin is a must. Now the problem is that you have people who do not consider some sins are mortal (eg: those related to 6th and 9th commandment, but also those related to anger, and those related to how we treat one another). I will tell you that you should confess them.
-Pure in books, music, and movies: Tough one. I think this is where you are far more likely to be attacked as fundamental catholic… BUT! I would rather say it was me being weak in accepting, as I know many medias are borderline pornographic. Oh, and violence too. Take a look as Ascendsion Presents Youtube channel, specifically on the comments to Father Mike re MMA. Ouch.
-Pure in thoughts: Good. Keep it up.

All in all, you are not fundamental in catholic, and if anything we should be glad that you are keeping in line with the teachings.

or maybe people who say not to go to mass weeekly are mistaken

 

[poche]

I say my Rosary daily like I have all my life,believe in Purgatory,go to mass weekly ,confession every so often, and as soon as possible if there’s a mortal sin,try to be pure in the books I read,music and movies,in my thoughts …pretty basic stuff I was taught as a child and try to continue

Sounds like a good Catholic to me.

 

[DarkLight]

Realistically, they’re terms to describe someone who’s too focused on following all the right rules, especially when they add rules that are beyond what the Bible or the Church say (although they’d probably dispute that).

An example in Catholic circles I might use is what’s termed “Mary-like modesty.” It sounds nice, but what it means is expecting modern women to dress in a way that would be appropriate for a first-century Palestinian woman. Long sleeves only, skirts that reach to the ankle, necklines that are to or close to the collarbone, that sort of thing. While an individual Catholic woman is certainly free to dress that way, it would be rather stretching it to say a modern american Catholic woman is required to do so in order to be a good Catholic. (You’ll find almost identical discussions among protestant fundamentalists, although the terms are different.)

Another example might be people who say that, if you’re not in the hospital, you are obligated to go to Mass and it’s a mortal sin if you miss. While missing Mass is serious and choosing not to go for no reason can be a mortal sin, there’s nothing that says it has to be so bad one is literally bedbound. Most of us would say that, for example, any ailment where one ought not be far from the bathroom is a valid reason to miss Mass.

That’s not to say that the terms can’t be abused, or that some people don’t use them simply to describe those who follow the teachings of faith. But the general implication is that the person is going beyond what’s required and expecting others to do so as well.

 

[DarkLight]

i heard the Cardinal Vicar of Pius XI gave some instructions on modesty

A lot of people in the church have given instructions on modesty, not all of which are compatible with each other, nor all of which are intended to apply to every time and place in the world. While that particular statement is much-quoted, it flies in the face of both most other statements by Catholic leaders and of what is presented in the Catechism.

The catechism states that one should respect modesty, but that the form it takes is determined by the culture one is in. One would also note that the current dress code for the Vatican churches does not conform to the instructions you reference.

One thing I would beware of is overemphasizing one statement against the weight of all others.

 

[Greenfields]

I don’t obsess about modesty, i try to look nice and blend in without trying to draw attention to bits and pieces .I watch a huge range of movies, but I tune out (cover eyes, make a cuppa) if there’s a love scene (same as I wouldn’t stand there watching people in real life)
I don’t dwell on violence and I don’t entertain crude thoughts and violence in my mind…so I try and avoid hearing in detail on the news etc.
My marriage includes a lot of LDR so chastity online communicating has been a huge issue ,imagine being married and switching the on/off intamatly all the time.In person-on.On line-off.
And then in the back ground you have the knowledge your spouse uses porn.Which ads
even more stress and pressure trying to keep the intamacy and connection from a distance
without overstepping the line on purity.

I think this is an area priests really need to be aware of and to be able to give good council
in supporting couples to maintain love and closeness but not slipping into mortal sin

 

[DarkLight]

I’m curious - what context do you remember being described as a “fundamentalist” or “literal Catholic” in? Do you remember what beliefs you were espousing or what actions you were taking?

 

[Greenfields]

I’m curious - what context do you remember being described as a “fundamentalist” or “literal Catholic” in? Do you remember what beliefs you were espousing or what actions you were taking?

Encouraging confession and going to mass when I knew there was p… being used
not wanting to participate online in the wrong way .Not being comfortable watching certain movies .Apart from that I don’t really know.Formed pray instead of free form maybe?
I think it’s just in general, the way I practice my faith and I’m confused

 

[rabbitdonkey]

A lot of people in the church have given instructions on modesty, not all of which are compatible with each other, nor all of which are intended to apply to every time and place in the world. While that particular statement is much-quoted, it flies in the face of both most other statements by Catholic leaders and of what is presented in the Catechism.

The catechism states that one should respect modesty, but that the form it takes is determined by the culture one is in. One would also note that the current dress code for the Vatican churches does not conform to the instructions you reference.

One thing I would beware of is overemphasizing one statement against the weight of all others.

can you give some examples of other statements also, I want to see what they say? i agree the forms taken by modesty vary from culture to culture but of course there are also objective standards which Pius XII talked about.