Funeral Concerns

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My parents who are in their mid 80’s have recently updated their Will about their funeral arrangements. For a long time they wanted to be cremated and even picked out and paid for a burial plot at a local cemetery. Now they have decided that after cremation they want their ashes scattered throughout a local State Park. When they told me this I advised them (politely) that is against Church teachings and even showed them the proper way to dispose of one’s ashes the Catholic way. Even though they are devote Catholics they don’t see anything wrong with this and said many of their other Catholic friends have chosen this way of disposing of their ashes (one of their friends had his ashes scattered on a golf course (with permission from the country club). I have even seen some “Examination of Conscience Guides” that says disposing ashes in the manner described above is a sin. This has put me in a bind. How does one honor their parent’s last wishes and still follow Catholic teaching? I won’t get any support from my siblings because they are fallen away Catholics and are Catholic in name only and don’t see anything wrong with it either.

Peace,
Mark
 
My parents who are in their mid 80’s have recently updated their Will about their funeral arrangements. For a long time they wanted to be cremated and even picked out and paid for a burial plot at a local cemetery. Now they have decided that after cremation they want their ashes scattered throughout a local State Park. When they told me this I advised them (politely) that is against Church teachings and even showed them the proper way to dispose of one’s ashes the Catholic way. Even though they are devote Catholics they don’t see anything wrong with this and said many of their other Catholic friends have chosen this way of disposing of their ashes (one of their friends had his ashes scattered on a golf course (with permission from the country club). I have even seen some “Examination of Conscience Guides” that says disposing ashes in the manner described above is a sin. This has put me in a bind. ** How does one honor their parent’s last wishes and still follow Catholic teaching?** I won’t get any support from my siblings because they are fallen away Catholics and are Catholic in name only and don’t see anything wrong with it either.

Peace,
Mark
You cannot do both. Talk to your priest and get his view.
Although cremation is not preferred the Church does allow it. However, scattering of ashes or keeping the ashes in urns at home are forbidden.
 
I have asked some priests and they say there is nothing wrong with cremation and the Chruch does allow it. They suggested that I keep the ashes in a urn in the house and I can honor them that way. The priests I talked with said that is also allowed but one cannot have the ashes scattered. The problem is that their final wishes are stated in their Will and my brother and sister will follow their last wishes so I will be outnumbered. Hopefully, my parents will live a few more years and maybe I can have time to change their minds but to be honest they seem pretty firm in that area.
 
I understand your concern. Unfortunately, more and more Catholics are opting for scattering and in my parish the priests have turned a blind eye to the practice. I even had to ask one family not to include the information that the ashes were to be scattered in the Order of Service because scattering is forbidden by the Church. In another case, the ashes were shared among the children and in another, half the ashes were scattered in one place and half in another place.

Unfortunately, the Church says only that the reason for forbidding it is that such an action is not respectful of the body. Few people see it that way and consider granting the deceased wishes very respectful. I have to admit, that although I’d never do it simply because the Church says ‘no’, I don’t see anything inherently disrespectful about scattering the ashes in a place meaningful to the deceased as opposed to letting the body decay in a box. Both actions return the body to the earth.
 
My parents who are in their mid 80’s have recently updated their Will about their funeral arrangements. For a long time they wanted to be cremated and even picked out and paid for a burial plot at a local cemetery. Now they have decided that after cremation they want their ashes scattered throughout a local State Park. When they told me this I advised them (politely) that is against Church teachings and even showed them the proper way to dispose of one’s ashes the Catholic way. ,
Mark
make sure they also name someone, preferably you, with authority to carry out their plans (which are also illegal in most states btw) and then do what is right and proper when the time comes. Make sure you have this authority in writing even if one parent predeceases the oter.

funeral arrangements should be set forth in a legally binding document separate from the will, as should guardianship arrangements for children or mentally incompetent adults etc, with a person named as power of attorney to carry them out, because the will is not usually even opened until after the funeral.
 
Well, I think the theological problem with scattering ashes, is that symbolically it indicates a pantheistic viewpoint of being absorbed into nature, rather than hoping for the resurrection of the body as Christianity teaches. I think most people don’t realize this though, and it might be difficult to make your parents understand that at this point. So I don’t know if I would suggest discussing this part of it.

It might make more sense to point out that having a single resting spot for the ashes allows grieving relatives a place to visit, and it would mean alot to you in this case to have somewhere to visit. hence the advantage of a burial and a grave to visit. On the other hand scattering ashes at a park just isn’t the same. Just a thought.
 
As stated by others before, the Catholic Church now accepts cremation. For example, the rite used for Catholic funerals includes prayers for the priest to use if ashes are present rather than a body.

The problems is that when a body is reduced to ashes people may stop thinking of it as a body. Ashes are sanitized and can be placed in a small urn. Ashes are tidy and portable. These facts can lead people to do things with ashes that they would never do with an actual body. Nevertheless, ashes are still the mortal remains of a person, and the Church emphasizes that they are to be treated with the same reverence that is used with a body. For example, naturally we don’t dump bodies on golf courses or in state parks, nor do we put bodies on a mantel over the fireplace. Aside from the sanitation issue this would create, such actions would still be considered a lack of reverence for the deceased person, as well as a lack of reverence (generally speaking) for what a human body is: made in the image and likeness of God, and a temple of the Holy Spirit. The same sort of mentality should be used when discerning what to do with ashes. This is why the Church states that ashes should be properly buried or interned.

Perhaps this (and danserr’s comments in Post #6 about a place for family to visit and remember your parents) can be brought up with your parents and the matter reexamined.
 
I don’t see anything inherently disrespectful about scattering the ashes in a place meaningful to the deceased as opposed to letting the body decay in a box. Both actions return the body to the earth.
The difference is that in natural decay, we have done nothing to destroy the unity of the human body.

An intact human body is not needed for Resurrectional life. In fact, in 1 Co 15, S. Paul compares dead bodies to “seeds.” A seed, in the ground, does not stay intact, it necessarily decomposes to release the new plant.

Likewise, the deceased human body gives rise to the pneumatikon soma. Because this will happen, we treat the dead bodies with respect for the human beings they once were and will yield resurrection to.

It is preferred to keep the body together, however, for hygienic or financial reasons (or, in some places, a lack of space to lay the bodies), cremation is allowed. Still, the resulting ashes were once a human being, and so should be kept together, in view of his or her Resurrectional life. Scattering the ashes indicates that a human being is reduced to “fertilizer”; that not Resurrectional life, but going back into nature, is our finality. This directly counters our LORD and the Church and is disallowed.

And I would hazard a guess that human ashes are not to be kept at home simply in view of the possibility of desecration. What if the urn were knocked off the mantel? The earthly remnants of a human being should not be swept out with household debris or sent up the vacuum; rather, they should be kept in a holy place of rest as the intact body would be.

GOD Bless and ICXC NIKA
 
make sure they also name someone, preferably you, with authority to carry out their plans.
That is part of the problem, they have already named my sister as the executor of their Will and have given her Power of Attorney and don’t have any plans to change it at this time. No one in the family objects to her having the Power of Attorney. However, now that they know I am opposed to the style they have chosen to dispose if their ashes I’m sure they will not change their Power of Attorney and keep it just the way it is.

Thanks to all for the great suggestions. Hopefully, I will be able to change their minds before that time comes but being in their middle 80’s time is running out.

Peace,
Mark
 
You can be sure, however, that when the time comes, whatever is done, will in no way affect the persons’ pneumatikon soma. ICXC NIKA
 
I have asked some priests and they say there is nothing wrong with cremation and the Chruch does allow it. They suggested that I keep the ashes in a urn in the house and I can honor them that way. The priests I talked with said that is also allowed but one cannot have the ashes scattered. The problem is that their final wishes are stated in their Will and my brother and sister will follow their last wishes so I will be outnumbered. Hopefully, my parents will live a few more years and maybe I can have time to change their minds but to be honest they seem pretty firm in that area.
That is not true. The Church does not allow ashes to be scattered or kept in urns at home.

The Church rules:

The Order of Christian Funerals (OCF) states:

“The practice of scattering cremated remains on the sea, from the air, or on the ground, or keeping cremated remains in the home of a relative or friend of the deceased are not the reverent disposition that the Church requires” (OCF 416).
 
Your home or a park isn’t holy ground, like a Catholic cemetery or a Catholic church. Holy ground blesses the dead bodies kept within it (or upon it, in the case of Catholic mausoleums and columbariums) and allows the souls of the dead to share in many prayers (particularly the cemetery visit indulgences granted on All Souls’ Day and the month of November). It’s also a sign that our dead bodies (even in ash form) are not just trash to throw aside, but loved and protected by the Church. Our bodies are also part of the Body of Christ, and wait in hope for the Resurrection. A lot of people aren’t aware of all this, these days, and that might include your parents.

Official teaching material about funerals, burials/ash inhumation, and holy ground might help. Sometimes parents won’t just take your word for something; they like to see it in black and white from several sources. They might also take a while to change their mind and accept the “new” teaching they’ve learned. People don’t like learning they’ve been kept ignorant of something important, or that something they were told had changed after Vatican II really hadn’t.

It was a sad thing to have to be buried at sea, or to have your body left unburied or unfound. There was no stigma to those unfortunate dead; but it was something people prayed not to have happen to them. A happy death with the Last Rites, and a Christian burial until the Resurrection, were what people desired.

Being purposefully buried outside of holy ground used to be regarded as a terrible punishment, reserved only for the worst unrepentant sinners, or for people who had sadly never become Catholic or Christian. Suicides used to be buried in such a way, but later the Church came to believe that it was too terrible a fate for people who might after all not have meant to kill themselves out of hatred and defiance for God and all life.

In popular culture and in benighted places in Eastern Europe, scattering ashes to the four winds was what you did to make sure a suspected vampire or evil undead wizard would stay dead and be unable to put himself back together. It was the ultimate expression of hatred and disgust for a person. You might want to find your parents a copy of the Russian fairy tale “The Death of Koschei the Deathless”, aka “Marya Morevna”, for an example of this! It’s in Andrew Lang’s The Red Fairy Book, among other places.🙂

This sort of thing often really distressed Catholics whose children were killed in war and had their bodies lost or blown up, which was part of why priests stopped emphasizing the burial rules after WWII. But it’s gone too far the other way, these days, so that people forget how integral that proper funeral customs are to life, from the earliest days of Judaism and Christianity.

Good luck on trying to teach your parents and family. As you keep trying, talk to God about it, and maybe He’ll arrange for a lot of mysterious recurring homilies and television shows about what they should be doing. 🙂
 
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