Did this person attend Mass regularly? Were they members of a parish? IF no to both questions why would one even consider a funeral in the church anyway?A funeral Mass was denied to a person who was Roman Catholic but never practiced the sacraments of the Church… The persons marriage was also not recognized by the Catholic Church…What is Church Law regarding this situation.
Thank you
voice in the desert
By never practicing the sacraments…do you mean baptism too?A funeral Mass was denied to a person who was Roman Catholic but never practiced the sacraments of the Church… The persons marriage was also not recognized by the Catholic Church…What is Church Law regarding this situation.
Thank you
voice in the desert
Can. 1184 ß1 Church funeral rites are to be denied to the following, unless they gave some signs of repentance before death:
1ƒ notorious apostates, heretics and schismatics;
2ƒ those who for anti‚christian motives chose that their bodies be cremated;
3ƒ other manifest sinners to whom a Church funeral could not be granted without public scandal to the faithful.
I haven’t heard of many of the deceased being denied, was the deceased a manifest sinner where everyone knew about his presumably invalid marriage? Was he a notorious apostate or heretic?ß2 If any doubt occurs, the local Ordinary is to be consulted and his judgment followed.*
It’s the pastors decisionA funeral Mass was denied to a person who was Roman Catholic but never practiced the sacraments of the Church… The persons marriage was also not recognized by the Catholic Church…What is Church Law regarding this situation.
Thank you
voice in the desert
That happened here in NY a few years ago. It was big newsSince the early 1920’s, quite a number of men have been denied Catholic funeral masses in the USA due to their known involvement in organized crime.
Did that church burn down within a few weeks?That happened here in NY a few years ago. It was big news
If I recall correctly, John Gotti was one of those men and he was also disallowed RC burial.Since the early 1920’s, quite a number of men have been denied Catholic funeral masses in the USA due to their known involvement in organized crime.
Yes he is the one I was referring to in my previous post.If I recall correctly, John Gotti was one of those men and he was also disallowed RC burial.
In the Chicago area, I've learned of some very confusing cemetery regulations. For instance, most gangsters, despite being denied the mass were still buried in consecrated ground (there's a bunch of gangsters close by the Chicago bishops mausoleum) yet, a couple of reliable sources tell me that one Chicago area RC cemetery denied burial (even in family plots !) before WW2, to anyone who had gotten a divorce. Then there's the story of Bohemian National cemetery, who insist they started up after a teenage girl died before the priest could give her the last rites and was denied burial in a Catholic cemetery.My father, who was neither notorious nor a criminal, but also not a Catholic. He was given a Catholic funeral mass and is buried in a Catholic cemetary. He was baptized in the Ukrainian Orthodox church. He and my my mother eloped and had a civil wedding ceremony. Later they were “married” at the side alter of a Catholic Church. Having a Catholic funeral mass brought great comfort to my mother and the rest of the family. ( Not sure my Dad was too pleased with it). I appreciate my pastor’s compassion at that difficult time.
Although my Dad never was member of the Catholic church, maybe the pastor allowed the mass because I am a practicing and active member. I don’t know.
What’s the rest of the story OP?
I know that using the church just for rituals is discouraged and frowned upon. Like those who just want to come and use it for marriage, baptism and funerals.
And why would a non practicing Catholic want to be buried from the church?
I went to a funeral for a young mother who was not Catholic but given a Catholic funeral. Her husband and children were Catholic. She was on the school board of our parish school and she was very active in parish activities as a volunteer. She went to Mass every week. People were surprised to see a Methodist minister at the funeral and were even more surprised to find out she wasn’t Catholic.My father, who was neither notorious nor a criminal, but also not a Catholic. He was given a Catholic funeral mass and is buried in a Catholic cemetary. He was baptized in the Ukrainian Orthodox church. He and my my mother eloped and had a civil wedding ceremony. Later they were “married” at the side alter of a Catholic Church. Having a Catholic funeral mass brought great comfort to my mother and the rest of the family. ( Not sure my Dad was too pleased with it). I appreciate my pastor’s compassion at that difficult time.
Although my Dad never was member of the Catholic church, maybe the pastor allowed the mass because I am a practicing and active member. I don’t know.
What’s the rest of the story OP?
I know that using the church just for rituals is discouraged and frowned upon. Like those who just want to come and use it for marriage, baptism and funerals.
And why would a non practicing Catholic want to be buried from the church?