Funerals - what to do?

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A Catholic is attending the funeral of a non-Catholic Christian.

When the Lord’s Prayer is prayed, the minister and congregants include “For thine is the Kingdom…”.

Should the Catholic pray that part with the rest of the congregation, or not include that since we Catholics don’t pray it with that doxology included?
 
A Catholic is attending the funeral of a non-Catholic Christian.

When the Lord’s Prayer is prayed, the minister and congregants include “For thine is the Kingdom…”.

Should the Catholic pray that part with the rest of the congregation, or not include that since we Catholics don’t pray it with that doxology included?
I wouldn’t have a problem praying it with non-Catholics.
 
A Catholic is attending the funeral of a non-Catholic Christian.

When the Lord’s Prayer is prayed, the minister and congregants include “For thine is the Kingdom…”.

Should the Catholic pray that part with the rest of the congregation, or not include that since we Catholics don’t pray it with that doxology included?
The doxology is included in the Lord’s Prayer. Every time I go to Mass, it is included in the Lord’s Prayer.
 
Nobody has gone to Hell for reciting the doxology…liturgical lyrics it’s pretty orthodox.
 
The doxology is included in the Lord’s Prayer. Every time I go to Mass, it is included in the Lord’s Prayer.
Same here. We sing the Lord’s Prayer and the doxology every time at my parish mass on Sunday.
 
Certainly be at peace praying with any group that prays in ways or words similar to what we use, even if they do it a little differently. Who cares if they attach parts in different places or say “debts” instead of “trespasses”. The intention is what matters here. You’re not invalidating a Mass or doing something illicit since you’re not in a Catholic liturgy. When in Rome… (well, in this case, er, well…you know).

The only things I would give pause to or completely refrain from is (1) communion, and (2) prayers directly contrary to our faith (don’t join them in praying that “those Catholics may soon see the errors of their ways and be saved”).

Sometimes, you just silently observe and don’t participate or assent with your “amen” if you feel their intent may be ‘iffy’ in Catholic doctrine, such as “Lord, we know his baptism was just a symbolic act that cannot save, for works cannot lead to salvation, but he answered the altar call…” Sure, they may be technically correct about certain aspects, but they’re back-handedly smacking our doctrine in the face.

Bottom line: don’t sweat the small stuff, and when in doubt, just maintain a respectful silence. That’s my :twocents:
 
Same here. We sing the Lord’s Prayer and the doxology every time at my parish mass on Sunday.
Interesting. In 20+ years of going to Catholic masses I never heard the doxology spoken or sung at any mass I attended as part of the main saying of the Our Father. It was one of the things that threw me the first time I attended Episcopal mass as a result.
 
A Catholic is attending the funeral of a non-Catholic Christian.

When the Lord’s Prayer is prayed, the minister and congregants include “For thine is the Kingdom…”.

Should the Catholic pray that part with the rest of the congregation, or not include that since we Catholics don’t pray it with that doxology included?
We do pray the doxology.

In the Novus Ordo Mass, there is an intervening prayer…but it is prayed by the whole of the liturgical assembly.

There is not an intervening prayer in the Roman Rite liturgy of the Pastoral Provision for those who have passed over the Anglican Communion…prayer and doxology are prayed together.

The doxology is prayed by Eastern Catholics.
 
We do pray the doxology.

In the Novus Ordo Mass, there is an intervening prayer…but it is prayed by the whole of the liturgical assembly.

There is not an intervening prayer in the Roman Rite liturgy of the Pastoral Provision for those who have passed over the Anglican Communion…prayer and doxology are prayed together.

The doxology is prayed by Eastern Catholics.
Yes, of course. I wasn’t clear in my original post; we do pray the doxology at the Ordinary Form of Mass, with the intervening prayer. (Although outside of Mass, Catholics generally don’t include the doxology, when praying the Lord’s Prayer during a Rosary, for example).

When I attend those non-Catholic funerals, I pray the doxology with the rest of the congregation. I was just curious what people considered to be proper etiquette.
 
The doxology is included in the Lord’s Prayer. Every time I go to Mass, it is included in the Lord’s Prayer.
Same here. We sing the Lord’s Prayer and the doxology every time at my parish mass on Sunday.
Technically in the Mass this particular doxology (there are multiple doxologies during the Mass) is separated from the Lord’s Prayer by the embolism recited by the priest (“deliver us, Lord, we pray …”) So it’s actually Lord’s Prayer, embolism, then the doxology; three separate prayers (or two prayers and a mini-hymn depending on your definition).

Growing up in the Presbyterian church we were taught it was part of the Lord’s Prayer and not a separate mini hymn of praise and glory. To this day, my sister will repeat the doxology under her breath when we recite the Lord’s Prayer at one of my kids’ baptisms.
 
When I attend those non-Catholic funerals, I pray the doxology with the rest of the congregation. I was just curious what people considered to be proper etiquette.
When in Rom… errr… Wittenberg, do what the Wittenbergans (?) do. 🙂

[with in reason of course]
 
Technically in the Mass this particular doxology (there are multiple doxologies during the Mass) is separated from the Lord’s Prayer by the embolism recited by the priest (“deliver us, Lord, we pray …”) So it’s actually Lord’s Prayer, embolism, then the doxology; three separate prayers (or two prayers and a mini-hymn depending on your definition).

Growing up in the Presbyterian church we were taught it was part of the Lord’s Prayer and not a separate mini hymn of praise and glory. To this day, my sister will repeat the doxology under her breath when we recite the Lord’s Prayer at one of my kids’ baptisms.
Have you ever told your sister where the doxology came from (and I am not suggesting a battle about it)?
 
Have you ever told your sister where the doxology came from (and I am not suggesting a battle about it)?
We’ve talked about it and she understands that it was added and why, but the Lord’s Prayer with doxology is how we were taught as children so she says it doesn’t feel like it’s complete without it. It took me a bit after my conversion to use the version Catholics use. It was a good year before I wouldn’t have to remind myself to say “forgive us our trespasses …” and stop after the final petition rather than “forgive us our debts … For thine is the …” which just came naturally.
 
It is a doxology, it is from the beginning of Christianity and is very Catholic. The person who wrote it in the margins of that Bible long ago was a Catholic monk. It’s just that during Mass we follow the rubrics and say it where indicated. That does not mean we can’t say it outside of Mass or in our private devotions. Personally I think it is very beautiful and have no problem saying it with my Protestant brothers and sisters and even in my own personal prayer. God does not mind a little extra praise, and we are reminded that the kingdom and the power and the glory belong to HIM, not us.
 
We’ve talked about it and she understands that it was added and why, but the Lord’s Prayer with doxology is how we were taught as children so she says it doesn’t feel like it’s complete without it. It took me a bit after my conversion to use the version Catholics use. It was a good year before I wouldn’t have to remind myself to say “forgive us our trespasses …” and stop after the final petition rather than “forgive us our debts … For thine is the …” which just came naturally.
Thanks.

We all have a tendency, with what we use often, to approach a form of autopilot. The cnahge in the Creed is a good example.
 
On those occasions when I do attend the Funeral of a non-Catholic or a wedding, I just don’t participate in any of the prayers. I attend only TLM parishes. It has never been a problem. I even attended a Morman funeral once. No problem. I just went to pay my respects for he had been a friend.
 
Why wouldn’t you pray it with everyone else? It is a perfectly orthodox doxology. We have some real differences; that is not one of them.

If it makes you uncomfortable, though, make it a point while praying the Our Father that your voice is not so loud that anyone is going to notice when you drop out. You’re not at the funeral to make it a point that you are Catholic while the other mourners aren’t.
 
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