Funny Quote about Modern-looking Churches

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So this weekend I drove my family to Tokyo for a Mothers’ Day brunch. Since the drive takes about 90 minutes, my wife and I listened to an old episode of Ira Glass’s This American Life. The show was titled, “Return to the Scene of the Crime.” In the last act - Our Man of Perpetual Sorrow - the storyteller said something that made me smile.

A lapsed Catholic, he found himself seeking comfort in the Church after the death of his dear mother. As a boy and young man he attended St. Ignatius in Chicago. So now, as an adult who lived in Seattle, he sought comfort in a Catholic church - but first he had to find one.

Upon entering “modern” churches he was very disappointed because “they looked like someone had hung a crucifix in the Brady Family living room.”

Close your eyes and picture it . . . . the Brady Bunch Family’s living room . . . . now add a crucifix.

How priceless . . . how accurate.

Pax,
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PS: He eventually found St. James in Seattle, which stuck him as a church that looked as a church should.
 
I think that modern architecture if tastefully done can be beautiful. Although I prefer the traditional look myself, Just this weekend my son and I were in Fort Kent ME and went across the border into Canada (Clair NB) for daily Mass at St. Francois Assise (this is in the French speaking part of Canada) a very modern church built in 1960 but tastefully dine, also still has the original high altar and communion rail 👍.

Another modern church of note is the chapel at St. Anthony’s Franciscan monastery in Kennebunkport Maine. We have stayed at the retreat house there which is a wonderful place to stay if one is visiting the area.

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We usually go to the Cathedral downtown, an old traditional looking church. Last weekend the roads downtown were closed for a race so we went to another church. This was a hideous ugly modern church. Yellow and brown stained glass and other classic late 70s early 80s stuff. However the Mass itself was the most orthodox, reverent we have been to in this area. It was a real breath of fresh air. 👍
 
I avoid St. James Cathedaral like the plague. It seems to house all of the modern “amenities” that I find distasteful.

Actually Seattle Catholic churches were pretty much “gutted” in the 1955 to 1979 era. Very few are left to bring back any sign of pre- Vat II times.
 
I avoid St. James Cathedaral like the plague. It seems to house all of the modern “amenities” that I find distasteful.

Actually Seattle Catholic churches were pretty much “gutted” in the 1955 to 1979 era. Very few are left to bring back any sign of pre- Vat II times.
I couldn’t agree more…I greatly dislike our Cathedral.
 
Haha I know the feeling!

My local TLM hasn’t got the traditional architecture - it’s more like a gutted church restored. I haven’t asked, but I imagine that its attendance dropped and then the parish disintegrated after a few liberal experiments in the 70s. Then in comes the EF and all is made right again 🙂

But when I move this fall the two churches I’ll go to (one for the occasional daily OF, one for the Sunday EF) are architectural beauties. One looks like a Cathedral from Paris, one like a big Byzantine church - like a mini Hagia Sophia 👍

People in beautiful churches are incredibly blessed!!!
 
I wish my city had beautiful churches, the vast majority are modern ugly things and the more traditional ones are very plain. My cathedral is looks incredibly plain on the exterior but its not bad, the closest church to me is the most incredibly vulgar church I have ever had the misfortune to lay eyes on. Fortunately though this is offset by the orthodox liturgy held by the parish priest. No EF unfortunately but thats in another church within easy reach, in a more traditional architectural style, not great, but not bad either.
 
I think that modern architecture if tastefully done can be beautiful. Although I prefer the traditional look myself, Just this weekend my son and I were in Fort Kent ME and went across the border into Canada (Clair NB) for daily Mass at St. Francois Assise (this is in the French speaking part of Canada) a very modern church built in 1960 but tastefully dine, also still has the original high altar and communion rail 👍.

Another modern church of note is the chapel at St. Anthony’s Franciscan monastery in Kennebunkport Maine. We have stayed at the retreat house there which is a wonderful place to stay if one is visiting the area.

%between%framon.net/framon/entrada.htm
http://www.framon.net/
I also think modern churches can be beautiful if they are traditional and look Catholic. I think of modern as more of a style irrespective of when the church was built.

I have to say, though, that while some of the outside grounds of the monastery you linked to look very nice, the interior shot of the chapel looks ghastly. I haven’t been there, of course, but that’s my impression of it.
 
I avoid St. James Cathedaral like the plague. It seems to house all of the modern “amenities” that I find distasteful.

Actually Seattle Catholic churches were pretty much “gutted” in the 1955 to 1979 era. Very few are left to bring back any sign of pre- Vat II times.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CIRCULAR CHURCH!!!

i cannot stand them, and i dont know why.
 
I avoid St. James Cathedaral like the plague. It seems to house all of the modern “amenities” that I find distasteful.

Actually Seattle Catholic churches were pretty much “gutted” in the 1955 to 1979 era. Very few are left to bring back any sign of pre- Vat II times.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO CIRCULAR CHURCH!!!

i cannot stand them, and i dont know why.
 
It is worth remembering that many of the great cathedrals of Europe were built to “one up” the next town.

While dignity, reverence and respect should be observed in the building of modern churches, we should also keep in mind the reason why we are there and not how “pretty” the building is.
 
I was once driving through Chicago on an interstate when I finally found a good ewtn station. I don’t know if it was broadcast from the Chicago area or if I got a lucky signal from afar. Father Benedict Groeschel was talking about modern aspects of the Catholic Church, including architecture.

There is a church I had passed on previous trips that I always thought resembled a crashed helicopter or a helicopter scrapyard. It has lots of aluminum or stainless steel beams sticking up and out. I don’t know if it is Catholic or not, but I always thought it looked like a very expensive version of “ugly chaos.”

Only a few miles before I passed the church during that trip, Father Groeschel started protesting modern church architecture. He growled a bit when he said something like, “For Heaven’s sake, a Catholic Church should at least LOOK LIKE a Catholic Church, and not the hind-end of a crashed space ship or something!”

The hind end of a spaceship words were Father Groeschel’s actual words, and not more than a few minutes later I came to the helicopter crash site style of church architecture. It was hilarious to recall Father Groeschel’s words as I looked at what surely was an example of the sort of architecture he described.

What happens inside is what matters, but I think the architecture should facilitate reverence of God, not reverence of engineers and architects. Many modern churches make me think only of architects and engineers, and make me wonder if they submitted a design plan as a joke only to have a board of directors on some parish building committee take them seriously. I wonder how much laughter is enjoyed by architects who look at some modern architecture, and then giggle at the high-dollar silliness someone paid to have erected.

Peace to all, including laughing architects.
 
I was once driving through Chicago on an interstate when I finally found a good ewtn station. I don’t know if it was broadcast from the Chicago area or if I got a lucky signal from afar. Father Benedict Groeschel was talking about modern aspects of the Catholic Church, including architecture.

There is a church I had passed on previous trips that I always thought resembled a crashed helicopter or a helicopter scrapyard. It has lots of aluminum or stainless steel beams sticking up and out. I don’t know if it is Catholic or not, but I always thought it looked like a very expensive version of “ugly chaos.”
Interesting; most of the churches you can see from the highways in Chicago are really beautiful specimens, a lot of the so-called “Polish cathedrals.” From your description I can’t guess which church you’re talking about – this one, maybe?
 
Interesting; most of the churches you can see from the highways in Chicago are really beautiful specimens, a lot of the so-called “Polish cathedrals.” From your description I can’t guess which church you’re talking about – this one, maybe?
😊
Thanks for making that point about the beautiful old churches in Chicago. I gave some thought to where the church actually is located, and it is NOT actually IN Chicago.
I was speaking more generally than I thought when I wrote “Chicago.” I looked at a map to check the location, and I realized that it actually is along Interstate 294, west of Chicago. I believe the church is near Alsip.

I-294 runs from the Chicago area Northwesterly toward Wisconsin. As you drive Northwest (I believe it actually is labeled “West”) on I-294 from Interstate 80, the church I am thinking of is within the first 30 miles. The church is on the right side of the road if you are headed toward Wisconsin from I-80 (It’s on the South-East side of I-294). It has been about a year and a half since I drove near it, so I am unable to remember the exact location.

I am no architecture expert, but I am certain it surely is not an old Polish style church. Even a new and modern Polish church would look far more traditional than the church about which I was writing. I should have been more specific when I wrote “Chicago.” I would say that the church I have in mind probably is about 15-20 miles outside the city of Chicago. I must say that I agree with you about churches visible from highways within the city itself. They are old and beautiful.

Peace be with you.
 
That might indeed be the structure I have in mind. It looks much better from ground level, but the open architecture at the top might be the feature I described. At highway speeds, I never noticed that it was a cemetery, nor had I noticed whether it is Catholic.

From the views available from your link, it looks like it might resemble some ancient European structures in Southern Italy or Greece. I hope and pray that anyone whose loved ones are interred and remembered there finds it to be more gracefully peaceful than it has appeared to me in the brief views of glances at highway speed.

If it is an attempt at a model of some ancient structure, it seems to me to be harmed at least somewhat by it’s proximity to the very heavily traveled Interstate. I would seem that a cemetery chapel might be more conducive to peace for the bereaved if it was not so near the highway. It certainly did not pop out of the ground by accident in that precise location. I suspect there are reasons for both it’s design and location that I do not know.

Peace be with you,
and with all who are remembered in that cemetery, and with their families.
 
what is so bad about modern-looking churches?

every church design is a reflection of the era and culture they were built it
 
I can’t remember which rite it was during RCIA that I was going through but for this particular rite, we went to a church that I didn’t particularly like. It was one of those “in the round” churches. I’d show a picture of one to demonstrate what one looks like but I was unable to find one.
 
what is so bad about modern-looking churches?

every church design is a reflection of the era and culture they were built it
I think it is reasonable and, to some degree, appropriate to make a church building look like it is associated with the people who built it, but I think that should not be the predominant characteristic of a church building, at least of a Catholic Church building.

Such important physical elements of the Catholic Church as the buildings in which we celebrate the Eucharist should be designed and maintained for the glory of God, and with a vivid recognition of the very important fact that the Catholic Church is the Church established by Jesus Christ almost 2,000 years ago. I think our church buildings should appear to be part of the continued unity we Catholics share, and have shared for almost 20 centuries.

Our unity is not merely with the people in our parish or diocese, or even merely with the people now practicing Christianity around the world, but with the apostles and all the angels and saints. I think it is not best to make a church building look mostly like it is the product of a group of people who existed, for example, in the fourth or the seventh decade of this or that century. I think it would be not best nor nearly best, for example, to design a church according to Frank Lloyd Wright’s unique architecture, not because Wright built ugly buildings (which I think he sometimes did, although some were beautiful), but it would be not best because Wright’s design styles were something of a fad. They were not always wildly exotic, but they were special and distinct to a particular human designer and era a few decades long.

I think a Catholic Church building should not vividly remind a person seeing it of American pop culture in the 1960’s, or of the “all glass and aluminum” facades of American big-business structures of the 1980’s. I think that, not because such appearances are inherently horrible, but because they are so very briefly fashionable and suggestive of a certain brief episode in human history.

I think Catholic churches should predominantly look like they are a manifestation of Catholic people’s attachment to Jesus Christ and to Catholics throughout history. I think it is entirely reasonable to erect a church building with architectural features that are typical over the long term for the part of the world where the church is built. For example, stucco facades are typical in Mexico and the American Southwest, and have been typical for centuries. To build a church there with a stucco facade would be to harmonize with many centuries of architecture for that area.

I have no doubt whatsoever that my sort of concern about this matter is reasonable for me or other individuals to have, AND that my concern need NOT be the same as the concern of others about such matters. That is to say, I have strong opinions about this, but I don’t think it is wrong if other people care barely a bit about how churches are designed, so long as they keep out the rain and snow.

Buildings are huge objects. They are seen readily and frequently. I think that because a Catholic church building is so plainly visible it should look obviously like what it is, namely a structure built for worship of God by Catholics. I think a church building should be recognizable as a church without having to study it or wonder what it might be. Surely what happens inside is more important than the shape and facade of a church building. I just think that the shape and facade should make it obvious what happens inside.

Peace be with you.
 
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