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matt1985
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Members from every group if immigrants will commit some crimes, that doesn’t mean they shouldn’t be allowed to come here. The reality is that they do not take jobs away from middle class Americans.
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gilliam
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No Matt, you simply don’t know. The percentage that commit crimes are much higher from the illegal immigrants than would be expected by their size. But the reason is not too difficult to understand. When you don’t check their criminal records before they come over, then the criminals come over.
Also realize that there are people who are coming in that would like to take over parts of the US and make it their own little kingdom.
I would suggest you look further into the issue before making wide generalizations about simply opening up the border to any drug dealer, child molester or murderer.
Border States Grapple With Alien Criminals
Fox News, March 17, 2005
Many police officials are fed up with the number of illegal aliens populating American prisons, many of them incarcerated for violent crimes such as murder, rape and robbery. Criminal aliens, who by law should be deported, are instead incarcerated in the U.S. Because of federal bureaucracy and an overburdened system, only the most dangerous felons are actually sent home. Statistics tell the story: About 60 percent of deportation orders are ignored. In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding homicide warrants and 60 percent of outstanding felony warrants are for illegal aliens. American taxpayers are paying for the crimes of the 8,000 convicted aliens not yet caught and the incarceration costs of those who have been, estimated to add up to more than $1 billion a year — in just the states that border Mexico.
**Mexico, U.S. ignore illegal immigration **
Los Angeles Daily News, December 25, 2004
Over 28,000 foreigners in detained in California prisons, costing taxpayers a staggering $500 million to $800 million a year. One-half of these prisoners are illegal aliens from Mexico. Nevertheless, in the state capital in Sacramento, it rare to hear the term “illegal aliens.” In an example of what George Orwell called newspeak, California politicians believe that if they don’t publicly name this contributing cause of the State’s ongoing fiscal crisis, it will vanish. According to the California Board of Prison Terms, “all other nations accept all of their prisoners for transfer” – except Mexico. Our biased media hates placing even a smidgen of blame on Mexico for illegal immigration. But in fact, most solutions won’t be found in Sacramento or Washington. The lasting fixes must come from Mexico’s legislature, courts and President Vicente Fox.
Costs Incurred by Society
Illegal Aliens and EMTALA
NewsWithViews.com, March 23, 2005
Free medical care has degraded and closed some of America’s finest emergency medical facilities and caused hospital bankruptcies: 84 California hospital are closing their doors forever. Under the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act of 1985 (EMTALA), any patient requesting emergency care must be screened and treated until stabilized for discharge or transfer, whether or not insured or “documented” (i.e., legally present in the United States). For example, a woman in labor must remain to deliver her child. Babies born to illegal aliens are called “Anchor Babies” for once they are born, like anchors dropped to keep boats safely in harbor, they pull their illegal alien parents and siblings into lucrative residency. The babies instantly qualify as citizens for welfare benefits, resulting in skyrocketing Medicaid costs and stipends under Supplemental Security Income and Disability Income. Cities such as Los Angeles with large illegal alien populations, high crime, and powerful immigrant gangs are losing their hospitals to the ravages of unreimbursed care under EMTALA. In Los Angeles, 95% of outstanding homicide warrants are for illegal aliens, likewise for 66% of fugitive felony warrants.
L.A. Emergency Rooms Full of Illegal Immigrants
Fox News, March 18, 2005
Los Angeles County’s emergency rooms are overburdened by the uninsured and overwhelmed by illegal immigration. Sixty percent of the county’s uninsured patients are not U.S. citizens, and more than half are here illegally. With about 2 million undocumented aliens in Los Angeles County alone, patients in the County’s overcrowded emergency rooms can wait days for a hospital bed for necessary surgeries. In 2004, Los Angeles County spent $340 million to treat the uninsured – roughly $1,000 for every taxpayer – while illegal immigrants receive medical treatment for free.
Also realize that there are people who are coming in that would like to take over parts of the US and make it their own little kingdom.
I would suggest you look further into the issue before making wide generalizations about simply opening up the border to any drug dealer, child molester or murderer.
Border States Grapple With Alien Criminals
Fox News, March 17, 2005
Many police officials are fed up with the number of illegal aliens populating American prisons, many of them incarcerated for violent crimes such as murder, rape and robbery. Criminal aliens, who by law should be deported, are instead incarcerated in the U.S. Because of federal bureaucracy and an overburdened system, only the most dangerous felons are actually sent home. Statistics tell the story: About 60 percent of deportation orders are ignored. In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding homicide warrants and 60 percent of outstanding felony warrants are for illegal aliens. American taxpayers are paying for the crimes of the 8,000 convicted aliens not yet caught and the incarceration costs of those who have been, estimated to add up to more than $1 billion a year — in just the states that border Mexico.
**Mexico, U.S. ignore illegal immigration **
Los Angeles Daily News, December 25, 2004
Over 28,000 foreigners in detained in California prisons, costing taxpayers a staggering $500 million to $800 million a year. One-half of these prisoners are illegal aliens from Mexico. Nevertheless, in the state capital in Sacramento, it rare to hear the term “illegal aliens.” In an example of what George Orwell called newspeak, California politicians believe that if they don’t publicly name this contributing cause of the State’s ongoing fiscal crisis, it will vanish. According to the California Board of Prison Terms, “all other nations accept all of their prisoners for transfer” – except Mexico. Our biased media hates placing even a smidgen of blame on Mexico for illegal immigration. But in fact, most solutions won’t be found in Sacramento or Washington. The lasting fixes must come from Mexico’s legislature, courts and President Vicente Fox.
Costs Incurred by Society
Illegal Aliens and EMTALA
NewsWithViews.com, March 23, 2005
Free medical care has degraded and closed some of America’s finest emergency medical facilities and caused hospital bankruptcies: 84 California hospital are closing their doors forever. Under the Emergency Medical Treatment and Active Labor Act of 1985 (EMTALA), any patient requesting emergency care must be screened and treated until stabilized for discharge or transfer, whether or not insured or “documented” (i.e., legally present in the United States). For example, a woman in labor must remain to deliver her child. Babies born to illegal aliens are called “Anchor Babies” for once they are born, like anchors dropped to keep boats safely in harbor, they pull their illegal alien parents and siblings into lucrative residency. The babies instantly qualify as citizens for welfare benefits, resulting in skyrocketing Medicaid costs and stipends under Supplemental Security Income and Disability Income. Cities such as Los Angeles with large illegal alien populations, high crime, and powerful immigrant gangs are losing their hospitals to the ravages of unreimbursed care under EMTALA. In Los Angeles, 95% of outstanding homicide warrants are for illegal aliens, likewise for 66% of fugitive felony warrants.
L.A. Emergency Rooms Full of Illegal Immigrants
Fox News, March 18, 2005
Los Angeles County’s emergency rooms are overburdened by the uninsured and overwhelmed by illegal immigration. Sixty percent of the county’s uninsured patients are not U.S. citizens, and more than half are here illegally. With about 2 million undocumented aliens in Los Angeles County alone, patients in the County’s overcrowded emergency rooms can wait days for a hospital bed for necessary surgeries. In 2004, Los Angeles County spent $340 million to treat the uninsured – roughly $1,000 for every taxpayer – while illegal immigrants receive medical treatment for free.
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gilliam
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Border States Grapple With Alien Criminals
Fox News, March 17, 2005
Many police officials are fed up with the number of illegal aliens populating American prisons, many of them incarcerated for violent crimes such as murder, rape and robbery. Criminal aliens, who by law should be deported, are instead incarcerated in the U.S. Because of federal bureaucracy and an overburdened system, only the most dangerous felons are actually sent home. Statistics tell the story: About 60 percent of deportation orders are ignored. In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding homicide warrants and 60 percent of outstanding felony warrants are for illegal aliens. American taxpayers are paying for the crimes of the 8,000 convicted aliens not yet caught and the incarceration costs of those who have been, estimated to add up to more than $1 billion a year — in just the states that border Mexico.
**Mexico, U.S. ignore illegal immigration **
Los Angeles Daily News, December 25, 2004
Over 28,000 foreigners in detained in California prisons, costing taxpayers a staggering $500 million to $800 million a year. One-half of these prisoners are illegal aliens from Mexico.
Who Left the Door Open?
Time Magazine, September 20, 2004
Fox News, March 17, 2005
Many police officials are fed up with the number of illegal aliens populating American prisons, many of them incarcerated for violent crimes such as murder, rape and robbery. Criminal aliens, who by law should be deported, are instead incarcerated in the U.S. Because of federal bureaucracy and an overburdened system, only the most dangerous felons are actually sent home. Statistics tell the story: About 60 percent of deportation orders are ignored. In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding homicide warrants and 60 percent of outstanding felony warrants are for illegal aliens. American taxpayers are paying for the crimes of the 8,000 convicted aliens not yet caught and the incarceration costs of those who have been, estimated to add up to more than $1 billion a year — in just the states that border Mexico.
**Mexico, U.S. ignore illegal immigration **
Los Angeles Daily News, December 25, 2004
Over 28,000 foreigners in detained in California prisons, costing taxpayers a staggering $500 million to $800 million a year. One-half of these prisoners are illegal aliens from Mexico.
Who Left the Door Open?
Time Magazine, September 20, 2004
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LCMS_No_More
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To say that the congress is proposing “blanket citizenship” is either:
- Ignorance
- The innocent passing on of misinformation
- A bald faced lie.
And you know this…how?
Evidence, please. Have you spoken to the people in question? I find your powers of extrasensory perception to be most spectacular.
Misinformation and untruths. Have you read any of the bills that are on the table?
They plan to nearly double the number of border patrol agents and implement more and more high tech means of detection as well as allowing more than the number of people who cross unlawfully to do so as guest workers. That means that the people who would still have incentive to cross the border would be those who have nefarious intent or are escaping justice in their countries of origin. Those are the ones we really want to intercept.
If the Congress doesn’t allow CIS to hire enough employees to handle the additional workload, yes…it will become a mess.
At the very least, opinion should be based in fact. You made a statement that was factually incorrect. Once again, it can either be:
- Ignorance
- Innocent misinformation (your passing on of someone elses intentional misinformation)
- A bald-faced lie.
Pax Tecum
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davy39
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Lcms, You keep hammering the fact that opinion should be based on facts. Again, you are out in right field. Opinions can be predictions, hunches, or whatever. If I have an opinion that isn’t the same as yours, doesn’t make me a “bald faced liar” or any of your descriptions. The only way our differences of opinion will be solved is the passing of time. Time will tell who is right, and it is my opinion that it will be me. But that is just my opinion, and not necessarily based on actual fact. Have a nice weekend.
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2shelbys
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The whole question of whether anyone is going to lose the “Hispanic vote” is pointless when you look at the fact that more then 55% of the Hispanic populations of Arizona and California have supported past legislation that increased restrictions on illegal immigration. It seems that those immigrants who made the effort to go through the proper legal channels to come here and become citizens, and therefore are able to vote, are not any happier about people who avoid the legal process than anyone else is.
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