Gabriel & parakletos

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that sentence is found in king James bible & muslims say surely he is paraklētos or Pariklytos (muhamed):
Isaiah 29:12
And the book is delivered to him that is not learned, saying, Read this, I pray thee: and he saith, I am not learned.
muslems say (Quran is delivered by Gabriel to him) as mentioned in quran.

please see this!
rasoulallah.net/v2/document.aspx?lang=en&doc=4718
and
muslimjesusofislam.com/christianity-and-islam/%E2%80%9Cparakletos%E2%80%9D-or-%E2%80%9Cperiklytos%E2%80%9D-2.html
could this be true?
 
Firstly - it’s meant to be deeply significant that someone gives a scroll to a Mohammad, who couldn’t read, asked him to read and he responded ‘I can’t read’?

There are surely hundreds of thousands of illiterate people throughout history who have had exactly the same thing happen to them, and made precisely that response. It’s what anyone who couldn’t read would say in that situation, which surely wasn’t an uncommon one in ancient times.

Secondly - Jesus said ‘He (the helper or parakletos) will be with you*** forever***’. Is Mohammed still with us? No he isn’t, he’s been dead for over a thousand years.

Secondly - much is made of the similar-sounding word ‘Perklotos’. What is its meaning? ‘Muhammad AND Ahmad’. Who is this Ahmad, and why do Muslims think Jesus talk of one singular ‘parakletos’ when ‘perklotos’ clearly refers to TWO persons, Muhammad and another?

Thirdly - ‘Assyrian, the original language of Jesus’? Rubbish. Jesus’ original language was ARAMAIC - a distinctly different language from Assyrian.
 
Firstly, although hundreds of thousands of illiterate people throughout history exist, he is the only one who said that jesus is send to direct people to worship god and a book was delivered to him, as muslems say.

Secondly, I found that phrase on that site:
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Joh 14:16 I will pray the Father. Rather, “request”. The Greek word “eratao” is not the one used when “we” are bidden to pray; “proseuchomai” is. The creature “prays”; the Son “requests”. He shall give you another Comforter. The Holy Spirit; the Helper. The latter word more nearly expresses the idea of the Greek term “parakletos” than the word “Comforter”. Abide with you for ever. The Lord had been with them over three years, but is about to depart. Henceforth he will abide with them, not in person, but by the Holy Spirit that he shall send. Through this agency he will be with his people “always”.
  • People’s Bible
kingjamesbibleonline.org/John-14-16/:confused:

Thirdly, I hope that the forum would send us emails if new replies are added.
I did not read the reply except the second day( although the question is important to clearly understand the bible , as most other forums notify us once replied

Lastly, who is the real another helper who will last foreever ? the holy spirit, they claims, and as I understoodat the former site, that it 's just his meesage and teachings.
 
slave_of_god said:
Firstly, although hundreds of thousands of illiterate people throughout history exist, he is the only one who said that jesus is send to direct people to worship god and a book was delivered to him, as muslems say.

Secondly, I found that phrase on that site:
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Joh 14:16 I will pray the Father. Rather, “request”. The Greek word “eratao” is not the one used when “we” are bidden to pray; “proseuchomai” is. The creature “prays”; the Son “requests”. He shall give you another Comforter. The Holy Spirit; the Helper. The latter word more nearly expresses the idea of the Greek term “parakletos” than the word “Comforter”. Abide with you for ever. The Lord had been with them over three years, but is about to depart. Henceforth he will abide with them, not in person, but by the Holy Spirit that he shall send. Through this agency he will be with his people “always”.
  • People’s Bible
kingjamesbibleonline.org/John-14-16/:confused:

Thirdly, I hope that the forum would send us emails if new replies are added.
I did not read the reply except the second day( although the question is important to clearly understand the bible , as most other forums notify us once replied

Lastly, who is the real another helper who will last foreever ? the holy spirit, they claims, and as I understoodat the former site, that it 's just his meesage and teachings.
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with all due respect to my Muslim friends, the helper/comforter is the Holy Spirit. this is not an idea or just a force, but the third person of the Trinity. if the Holy Spirit was just an impersonal force or an idea, then how could the Holy Spirit become grieved? as it is written. do not Grieve the Holy Spirit. we recieve Christ body blood soul and divinity in the Eucharist. He has not left us orphans. he is still with us. every day, physically in the Mass, and within us where ever we go. where there is one Catholic, then there is Christ present. Peace to you and yours 🙂
 
benidict said:
with all due respect to my Muslim friends, the helper/comforter is the Holy Spirit. this is not an idea or just a force, but the third person of the Trinity. if the Holy Spirit was just an impersonal force or an idea, then how could the Holy Spirit become grieved? as it is written. do not Grieve the Holy Spirit. we recieve Christ body blood soul and divinity in the Eucharist. He has not left us orphans. he is still with us. every day, physically in the Mass, and within us where ever we go. where there is one Catholic, then there is Christ present. Peace to you and yours 🙂
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copy and paste from
ilovezakirnaik.com/muhammad_prophesised/christians.htm#New_Testamen
Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:
“But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.”
Could someone reply scientifically to that ?

Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realise that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)."
 
slave_of_god said:
copy and paste from
ilovezakirnaik.com/muhammad_prophesised/christians.htm#New_Testamen
Gospel of John chapter 15 verse 26:
“But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he shall testify of me.”
Could someone reply scientifically to that ?

Some Christians say that the Comforter mentioned in these prophecies refers to the Holy Sprit. They fail to realise that the prophecy clearly says that only if Jesus (pbuh) departs will the Comforter come. The Bible states that the Holy Spirit was already present on earth before and during the time of Jesus (pbuh), in the womb of Elizabeth, and again when Jesus (pbuh) was being baptised, etc. Hence this prophecy refers to none other than Prophet Muhammad (pbuh)."
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hello my friend. yes the Holy Spirit has always been here. but the Holy Spirit did not indwell people before the time of Christ as he did after Christ ascension. remember when Jesus was in the upper room with his disciples? he breathed on them and said " receive the Holy Spirit." likewise after the ascension when they were praying at pentacost, the Holy Spirit filled them in such a way that men from everywhere heard the gospel in their own language. it is also prophecied in the old testament that God would make his dwelling place with man. and he really has. not completely yet, because he has yet to renew the heavens and the earth. but he does dwell within us in the person of the Holy Spirit. this is a great mystery. he is around us and through us. it is impossible to explain, because our finite minds cannot grasp the concept of the Trinity. Peace to you and yours. 🙂
 
We have 2 problems here: Firstly, that word paraclete, we know that it refers to Jesus, but there is another one that will be sent after Christ departure (ascension). Secondly, that second paraclete as the former sites mentioned is Muhammed. If we deny, they will ask you a proof. You may say he is the Holy Spirit. They told you again he will be sent after Christ departure. You may say Jesus himself. Ok, but but there is another one. Furthermore, the Quran stated that Jesus told his disciples about that prophet after him called Ahmed “ could be translated as paraclete !! “.Over all that when you see their writings about that not learned prophet you will find it again in your bible!!!. Can you imagine when you want others to know the truth, then your weapon in that fight will come back against you. There is some things that we used to, but when you introduce it to persons from other religions you need to convince them.
 
My final conclusion about that : it is obvious that we have two similar words parakletos and perikletos. the only person who knows which one is more accurat is Jesus himself !
 
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