Galatians 5:1-6

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I see. Also, just a wee correction… We are not bound to the Ten Commandments (or any other law) like the Jews were. Remember, we no longer have to keep the Sabbath. But, were are bound to the Law of Love. LOVE GOD. All else follows naturally. John 14:15 "If you love me, you will keep my commandments"

It’s very liberating.
So, now you have confused me. Please clarify what you said about that we no longer have to keep the Sabbath?

Does that mean I no longer have to go to church down the street to worship the One, True God on Sunday? God doesn’t care if I worship Him or does it mean that I can just worship Him any way I feel like it and we no longer set aside one day that is set apart and special from all the other days of the week?

Please advise, thank you.
 
So, now you have confused me. Please clarify what you said about that we no longer have to keep the Sabbath?

Does that mean I no longer have to go to church down the street to worship the One, True God on Sunday? God doesn’t care if I worship Him or does it mean that I can just worship Him any way I feel like it and we no longer set aside one day that is set apart and special from all the other days of the week?

Please advise, thank you.
The Sabbath is Saturday. It means “the seventh” and signifies the completion of creation. You know of God’s command to observe the sabbath and to keep it holy. It developed over time into a day of MANY observances for the Jews. (They weren’t allowed to do ANYTHING) Lev 23:3 states “Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation. Ye shall do no work therein; it is the sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.” And when it says “do no work” it means NOTHING. No cooking, building, grinding,washing, fishing, lighting a fire… Today the orthodox Jews do not even drive on the sabbath. (Of course there are exceptions for emergencies.)

So, what does this mean for Christians? The first Christians were of course, Jews. They were observing the Sabbath even after the resurrection. (Acts 16:13, Acts 18:4). But for the new Gentile converts, there need be no sabbath observance:

Col 2:16 “Let no man judge you in meat or in drink or in respect of an holy day or of the new moon or of the sabbath days.”

Rom 14:5 “One man esteemeth one day above another, another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.”

The day we must observe as Catholic Christians is Sunday. It is the day the first Christians assembled to “break bread” (Acts 20:7). It is the day the Lord appeared to the two disciples on the road to Emmaus (Luke 24:13-31). It is “The Lord’s Day”. It is the day of the Resurrection. It is the first day of the week (signifying the NEW creation). It is the day of “The First Fruits”. But we don’t observe it as a slave observes a law. We observe it as a loving child of God, adopted into His family through our baptism.
 
As far as I know, Catholics are obligated to observe all 10 commandments. I use them as a rule. If I break one of them, then I have to go to confession. Including violating the Sabbath which for Catholics falls on Sunday. And priests have told me that Catholics are obligated to attend a Sunday service in observance of Sabbath.
 
As far as I know, Catholics are obligated to observe all 10 commandments. I use them as a rule. If I break one of them, then I have to go to confession. Including violating the Sabbath which for Catholics falls on Sunday. And priests have told me that Catholics are obligated to attend a Sunday service in observance of Sabbath.
“Sunday is **expressly distinguished **from the sabbath which it follows chronologically every week; for Christians its ceremonial observance replaces that of the sabbath. In Christ’s Passover, Sunday fulfills the spiritual truth of the Jewish sabbath and announces man’s eternal rest in God. For worship under the Law prepared for the mystery of Christ, and what was done there prefigured some aspects of Christ.” CCC 2175 (emphasis mine)

"“Those who lived according to the old order of things have come to a new hope, no longer keeping the sabbath, but the Lord’s Day, in which our life is blessed by Him and by His death.” -St. Ignatious of Antioch, Ad Magn. 9, 1

We do have to follow the commandments, but only because it is a sin not to show our love for Him if we know Him.
 
Also this:

The word “Decalogue” means literally “ten words.” God revealed these ten words to his people on the holy mountain. They were written with the finger of God, unlike the other commandments written by Moses. The old testament refers to the Decalogue, but it is in the new covenant in Jesus Christ that their full meaning will be revealed. 2056 CCC
 
So, now you have confused me. Please clarify what you said about that we no longer have to keep the Sabbath?

Does that mean I no longer have to go to church down the street to worship the One, True God on Sunday? God doesn’t care if I worship Him or does it mean that I can just worship Him any way I feel like it and we no longer set aside one day that is set apart and special from all the other days of the week?

Please advise, thank you.
…that would be the invisible church theology (as that ole song said: “don’t worry, be appy”); no, Catholics, as well as other Christians, must obey the Ten Commandments, which include keeping the Sabbath; Sabbath means rest… but it is a rest and separation for special worship of Yahweh God… not just a rest from responsibilities and chores… since Christ Resurrected on the First Day of the week, the Church began to keep the First Day as the Lord’s Day or Christian Sabbath.

If Christ did not intend for man to worship in a particular way He would not have instituted the Church and the Holy Spirit would not Revealed that the Church is Christ’s Mystical Body!

Maran atha!

Angel
 
The Sabbath is Saturday. It means “the seventh” and signifies the completion of creation. You know of God’s command to observe the sabbath and to keep it holy. It developed over time into a day of MANY observances for the Jews. (They weren’t allowed to do ANYTHING) Lev 23:3 states “Six days shall work be done: but the seventh day is the sabbath of rest, an holy convocation. Ye shall do no work therein; it is the sabbath of the Lord in all your dwellings.” And when it says “do no work” it means NOTHING. No cooking, building, grinding,washing, fishing, lighting a fire… Today the orthodox Jews do not even drive on the sabbath. (Of course there are exceptions for emergencies.)

So, what does this mean for Christians? The first Christians were of course, Jews. They were observing the Sabbath even after the resurrection. (Acts 16:13, Acts 18:4). But for the new Gentile converts, there need be no sabbath observance:

Col 2:16 “Let no man judge you in meat or in drink or in respect of an holy day or of the new moon or of the sabbath days.”

Rom 14:5 “One man esteemeth one day above another, another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.”

The day we must observe as Catholic Christians is Sunday. It is the day the first Christians assembled to “break bread” (Acts 20:7). It is the day the Lord appeared to the two disciples on the road to Emmaus (Luke 24:13-31). It is “The Lord’s Day”. It is the day of the Resurrection. It is the first day of the week (signifying the NEW creation). It is the day of “The First Fruits”. But we don’t observe it as a slave observes a law. We observe it as a loving child of God, adopted into His family through our baptism.
…I thought that Sabbath meant “rest” not “seventh,” is there a link to the meaning of Sabbath?

Maran atha!

Angel
 
Yes. The practice of circumcision as a tenet of the Old Covenant was superfluous in the least and anti-Christian at worst.

Maran atha!

Angel
I don’t think Paul was against circumcision as such. After all, he, himself was circumcised, as were all men who could call themselves Jews. And he knew that circumcision was a sign of the covenant with God. Only now there is a NEW COVENANT with a NEW SIGN (baptism).

What Paul was against were the factions that were forming. He was trying to get a handle on the problem of the Jews interfering with the decision made at the council of Jerusalem, that the Gentiles did not need to be Jews (be circumcised) before they became Christians.

Paul actually had Timothy circumcised before he traveled with him. Acts 16:1-3 says that it was because of the Jews that were in the area. The point is, it’s a balancing act, trying not to offend anyone. The Jews knew what God and Moses had commanded them. And they were unwilling, after so many years of shunning them, to worship side-by-side with the “unclean” Gentiles. Paul’s job was to convince the Jews that It is God’s Grace that saves now, and Faith in Jesus as the Messiah. Not circumcision, or the 10 “words” or the 613 Mosaic laws. Only faith working in love. (Gal 5:6)

We follow the Ten Commandments because they are good, and God wants good, and we love God. Not because we HAVE to follow them. If you love me, you will keep my commandments. (John 14:15)
 
…I thought that Sabbath meant “rest” not “seventh,” is there a link to the meaning of Sabbath?

Maran atha!

Angel
I don’t know how to make a link. 😊 I’m too techno-challenged. ('cause I’m OLD!!) But, my Concise Lexicon to the Biblical Languages says that Sabbath means seventh. It is, however, a slightly different word than the word used for the ordinal number “seventh” used in Gen 2:2. Perhaps it has ancient connotations of “rest”. God could have named His seventh day after His “rest”.

As an interesting side-note, the phrase “to swear an oath” is “to seven one’s self”. You can see how the Sabbath works into the covenant from the very beginning of time.
 
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The council of Trent teaches that the ten commandments are obligatory for Christians and that the justified man is still bound to keep them. CCC2068
  1. Remember to keep holy the Lord’s Day. CCCp.552
 
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The council of Trent teaches that the ten commandments are obligatory for Christians and that the justified man is still bound to keep them. CCC2068
  1. Remember to keep holy the Lord’s Day. CCCp.552
Yes. The Traditional Catechetical Formula states “Remember to keep holy the Lord’s Day.” But the origional “word” (commandment) was:

Remember the sabbath day, to keep it holy. Six days you shall labor, and do all your work; but the **seventh **day is a sabbath to the Lord your God…

Rom 2:13-14 “For it is not those who hear the law who are just in the sight of God; rather those who observe the law will be justified. For the Gentiles who do not have the law, by nature observe the prescriptions of the law, they are a law unto themselves, even though they do not have the law.”

The “Lord’s Day” - Sunday - observes “the prescription of the law”.

and…Rom 2:15 They show that the demands of the law are** written on their hearts…**.

The key is loving response instead of fearful response. We keep the commandments because they are part and parcel of “The Great Commandment”…Love the Lord your God with your whole heart, your whole soul, and your whole mind…

For the Israelites in Moses’ time, a loving response was not forthcoming. So, a fearful response was at least required. Thus, the 613 added to the ten, to keep the Israelites in line with what was required. Those 613 commandments were given along with a curse…

Deut 28: 15 But if you do not hearken to the word of the Lord… all these curses will come upon you…

And Moses goes on to prophesy all these curses which came to fruition!! There was to be sickness, defeat, despoilment, exile, fruitless labors, invasion, plagues…

Very scary. But for one with faith, there need be no fear of God. He is our loving Father. YES…Fathers can be scary to children. But to an adult, there is only loving awe.

Our observance of the Lord’s Day is our loving response to that awe and wonder.
 
Thats alot of verbage, I dont even know what you are trying to get at any more. Really my question about Galations 5 and the Old Law has already been answered thank you.

However, I am now interested in how Paul approaches the issue of Circumcision. It appears that he denouces the practice of circumcision because it was used by traditional Jews as a sign of fidelity to the entirety of the Old Law (yes/no? is anyone still alive on this thread?) And if circumcision means agreeing with the entirety of the Old Law, then why are Catholic babies getting circumcised today?
 
Thats alot of verbage, I dont even know what you are trying to get at any more. Really my question about Galations 5 and the Old Law has already been answered thank you.

However, I am now interested in how Paul approaches the issue of Circumcision. It appears that he denouces the practice of circumcision because it was used by traditional Jews as a sign of fidelity to the entirety of the Old Law (yes/no? is anyone still alive on this thread?) And if circumcision means agreeing with the entirety of the Old Law, then why are Catholic babies getting circumcised today?
I don’t think just “catholic” babies are getting circumcumcised today, I’m sure “protestant” babies are too and some who are “jewish” get circumcised in the hosp. instead of in the traditional Brit or is it Bris ceremony. Anyway, your told that the benefits outweigh the risks to the surgery ie., lower risk for UTI, contraction of STD’s as an adult male and cancer of that area and easier to keep clean.

As you can see I can’t answer your question fully, and a very good question, perhaps today esp. if your not religious, its done for aesthetic reasons and not wanting your child to look different from other boys?

I would love to hear other responses to this question.

Also do Muslim, Hindu, Buddhists circumcise as well?
 
Thats alot of verbage, I dont even know what you are trying to get at any more. Really my question about Galations 5 and the Old Law has already been answered thank you.

However, I am now interested in how Paul approaches the issue of Circumcision. It appears that he denouces the practice of circumcision because it was used by traditional Jews as a sign of fidelity to the entirety of the Old Law (yes/no? is anyone still alive on this thread?) And if circumcision means agreeing with the entirety of the Old Law, then why are Catholic babies getting circumcised today?
No, Paul is not against circumcision, but against what they meant by being circumcised. They were doing it as means to enter the Old Covenant, and Paul tells them that you can’t do this. They are Christians, entered into the New Covenant, so if they enter into the Old Covenant, they are rejecting the New Covenant, and bringing all the obligations and laws of the Old upon themselves.

Circumcision in and of itself is not a problem if done for the right reasons. Paul himself had Timothy circumcised so as to not cause controversy with some they were travelling to. Circumcision for almost all Christians today is done for health/appearance reasons, and not as a means of entering the Old Covenant. It is not an issue.
 
I don’t think Paul was against circumcision as such. After all, he, himself was circumcised, as were all men who could call themselves Jews. And he knew that circumcision was a sign of the covenant with God. Only now there is a NEW COVENANT with a NEW SIGN (baptism).

What Paul was against were the factions that were forming. He was trying to get a handle on the problem of the Jews interfering with the decision made at the council of Jerusalem, that the Gentiles did not need to be Jews (be circumcised) before they became Christians.

Paul actually had Timothy circumcised before he traveled with him. Acts 16:1-3 says that it was because of the Jews that were in the area. The point is, it’s a balancing act, trying not to offend anyone. The Jews knew what God and Moses had commanded them. And they were unwilling, after so many years of shunning them, to worship side-by-side with the “unclean” Gentiles. Paul’s job was to convince the Jews that It is God’s Grace that saves now, and Faith in Jesus as the Messiah. Not circumcision, or the 10 “words” or the 613 Mosaic laws. Only faith working in love. (Gal 5:6)

We follow the Ten Commandments because they are good, and God wants good, and we love God. Not because we HAVE to follow them. If you love me, you will keep my commandments. (John 14:15)
…still, St. Paul explains that in Christ the physical circumcision means nothing… that the true circumcision is that of the heart… so circumcision ceased being an important symbol/act in the New Covenant… we must take into account that when Christ founded the Church Jews and others who practiced Judaism had been obeying at least that part of the Law so it is understandable that at the inception of the Church some of the practices of Judaism would still take effect (as the gathering at the synagogues on the seventh day of the week).

It is interesting that you bring up the issue with Timothy since it demonstrates that Paul is using circumcision not as an obedience to the Law as part of the New Covenant but as a tool to appease the religious Jews that they would encounter on their early Missions.

Maran atha!

Angel
 
I don’t know how to make a link. 😊 I’m too techno-challenged. ('cause I’m OLD!!) But, my Concise Lexicon to the Biblical Languages says that Sabbath means seventh. It is, however, a slightly different word than the word used for the ordinal number “seventh” used in Gen 2:2. Perhaps it has ancient connotations of “rest”. God could have named His seventh day after His “rest”.

As an interesting side-note, the phrase “to swear an oath” is “to seven one’s self”. You can see how the Sabbath works into the covenant from the very beginning of time.
…no problem… I’ve just never researched it and have been going on from what I recall from statements made by others… and yes, it is interesting how descriptive Hebrew (Aramaic) is… but what I find extremely moving is the hidden meanings that are directly aligned with Yahweh God…

Maran atha!

Angel
 
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