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what does the church say about gambling? Also, is it mentioned in the Bible???
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Barnabas2
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Yes, I wondered about this too.what does the church say about gambling? Also, is it mentioned in the Bible???
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StCsDavid
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It seems scripture uses the description of “casting lots” to describe gambling. You can click here to see all the references, though the term doesn’t always refer to games of chance. As with most things it is abuse of the activity where the sin lies.
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I_A
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Mark 15:24
And they crucified him. Dividing up his clothes, they cast lots to see what each would get.
Acts 1:26
Then they [the apostles] cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles.
CCC 2413 Games of chance (card games, etc.) or *wagers *are not in themselves contrary to justice. They become morally unacceptable when they deprive someone of what is necessary to provide for his needs and those of others. The passion for gambling risks becoming an enslavement. Unfair wagers and cheating at games constitute grave matter, unless the damage inflicted is so slight that the one who suffers it cannot reasonably consider it significant.
And they crucified him. Dividing up his clothes, they cast lots to see what each would get.
Acts 1:26
Then they [the apostles] cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles.
CCC 2413 Games of chance (card games, etc.) or *wagers *are not in themselves contrary to justice. They become morally unacceptable when they deprive someone of what is necessary to provide for his needs and those of others. The passion for gambling risks becoming an enslavement. Unfair wagers and cheating at games constitute grave matter, unless the damage inflicted is so slight that the one who suffers it cannot reasonably consider it significant.
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wjp984
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I hope it is not sinful since I love gambling a little too much. I’m visiting my grandpa in Vegas for Christmas again and it is going to be fun since he always gives me money to play with. The dice game (Craps) is my favorite.
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porriwiggle
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If you drink a bit, occasionally or regularly, it is fine - no problem. If however you start drinking more and more, you will eventaully become and alcoholic, spending all you have on satiating an unquenchable appitite.I hope it is not sinful since I love gambling a little too much. I’m visiting my grandpa in Vegas for Christmas again and it is going to be fun since he always gives me money to play with. The dice game (Craps) is my favorite.
It is the same with gambling. If you just take the occasional trip to Vegas, or just gamble once in a while it probably would do no harm, but if you do it often, you can become dependant on gambling for your livelihood then it can very quickly lead to destruction. My grandfather gambled his house away because he was sure that “the next game” would make him rich, and then he could stop.
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wjp984
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Interesting how the catechism is smart enough to mention how it is alright to joke around and cheat in little games of chance or at least not a grave manner. Like in little friendly card games. If someone is upset about losing every time and is going to lose again but this time draws an extra card secretly to give himself a better chance, that is not a grave matter. Or joking around cheating when you plan on admitting it anyways but you are just bored.Mark 15:24
And they crucified him. Dividing up his clothes, they cast lots to see what each would get.
Acts 1:26
Then they [the apostles] cast lots, and the lot fell to Matthias; so he was added to the eleven apostles.
CCC 2413 Games of chance (card games, etc.) or *wagers *are not in themselves contrary to justice. They become morally unacceptable when they deprive someone of what is necessary to provide for his needs and those of others. The passion for gambling risks becoming an enslavement. Unfair wagers and cheating at games constitute grave matter, unless the damage inflicted is so slight that the one who suffers it cannot reasonably consider it significant.
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puzzleannie
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I seem to recall it is in Genesis, God creates light and darkness the first day, seas and dry land the second day etc., animals and man the last day, then creates the first woman and Adam cries “bingo!”
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wcknight
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I heard somewhere that the Church’s stand on gambling is that it is okay as long as you do not jeopardize your livelihood and it does not affect your ablility to meet your other obligations to home or Church or charity.
I love to gamble BUT I hate to lose, so I gamble only with what I know I can afford to lose. I used to love the dice (craps) but have taken recently to Texas Hold-em (one on one against the dealer - not the regular tournanment style game). I happened to win the last 4 times I went gambling. I don’t consider it gambling IF you can win consistently.
The key to gambling is to go in knowing that you can NOT beat the house in the long run. Then play a very disciplined “money management” style. Bet less when you lose, and increase bets when you win. For games with low percentages against you, and games that have winning streaks (as in craps and Texas Holdem and 21), you can leave ahead, (but not always).
Quit if you get ahead and start to decline, and cut your loses if you hit a cold table. It’s very tough to sense when to leave. The best time to leave is just after you hit a bit of a winning streak and then lose a hand or two. The toughest time to leave is if you never really get ahead, and the table seems ice cold. The temptation is to stay expecting things to turn around, you can get deeper in the red and things still not turn around. Set a loss limit and stick to it.
Of course IF you can’t walk away with a win or a loss (a loss that does not wipe you out-set a loss limit and stick to it- it should be set so that a couple of losses does not knock you out right away- for a $10 minimum $200 should be fine) then you may have a gambling problem and that is really dangerous, requiring psychological help.
IF you win a bit, set a minimum return limit so you will walk away a winner. For example if you are up $150, if you get down to around 75 ahead, walk way. Move the limit up if you win more, but be prepared to quit BEFORE you give it all back. Anytime you can walk away ahead, that is great, even if it is not the ‘big’ win that you hope for. ANY win is much better than a loss. If you were meant for a big win, it would come before give half of it back anyway. Big wins are very rare, big losses are very common.
Gambling can be addictive. IF you lose consistently and still come back to lose even more, you need help (this sounds like all gamblers-but I mean people who never walk away with a win).
IF you ever lose everything you have with you and dig into an account or borrow from friends then you have a serious problem. I know of a friend who loss everything he had , and could not even pay the highway toll fee to get back home !! That is a serious illness.
I love to gamble BUT I hate to lose, so I gamble only with what I know I can afford to lose. I used to love the dice (craps) but have taken recently to Texas Hold-em (one on one against the dealer - not the regular tournanment style game). I happened to win the last 4 times I went gambling. I don’t consider it gambling IF you can win consistently.
The key to gambling is to go in knowing that you can NOT beat the house in the long run. Then play a very disciplined “money management” style. Bet less when you lose, and increase bets when you win. For games with low percentages against you, and games that have winning streaks (as in craps and Texas Holdem and 21), you can leave ahead, (but not always).
Quit if you get ahead and start to decline, and cut your loses if you hit a cold table. It’s very tough to sense when to leave. The best time to leave is just after you hit a bit of a winning streak and then lose a hand or two. The toughest time to leave is if you never really get ahead, and the table seems ice cold. The temptation is to stay expecting things to turn around, you can get deeper in the red and things still not turn around. Set a loss limit and stick to it.
Of course IF you can’t walk away with a win or a loss (a loss that does not wipe you out-set a loss limit and stick to it- it should be set so that a couple of losses does not knock you out right away- for a $10 minimum $200 should be fine) then you may have a gambling problem and that is really dangerous, requiring psychological help.
IF you win a bit, set a minimum return limit so you will walk away a winner. For example if you are up $150, if you get down to around 75 ahead, walk way. Move the limit up if you win more, but be prepared to quit BEFORE you give it all back. Anytime you can walk away ahead, that is great, even if it is not the ‘big’ win that you hope for. ANY win is much better than a loss. If you were meant for a big win, it would come before give half of it back anyway. Big wins are very rare, big losses are very common.
Gambling can be addictive. IF you lose consistently and still come back to lose even more, you need help (this sounds like all gamblers-but I mean people who never walk away with a win).
IF you ever lose everything you have with you and dig into an account or borrow from friends then you have a serious problem. I know of a friend who loss everything he had , and could not even pay the highway toll fee to get back home !! That is a serious illness.
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wjp984
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you mean they won’t at least comp your toll fee to get home? I wold think the casino would do that after you lost everything to them. That’s what’s nice about Vegas. There is no Vegas expressway that charge to get there and back. Just the desert.
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lak611
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Texas Hold-em tournament games (even the no limit tournaments) can be ok too. For instance, my church carnival had a tournament and cash game. I played the tournament. It was a $50 buy-in, with cash prizes to the top five (50 players total). The most you could lose was $50. The cash games are a lot riskier because you can keep losing hand after hand as long as you buy more chips. The tournaments are fun too because if you are a decent player, once people get eliminated you get to be moved around to other tables. It also takes a while to play, even with the blinds increasing about every ten minutes.I heard somewhere that the Church’s stand on gambling is that it is okay as long as you do not jeopardize your livelihood and it does not affect your ablility to meet your other obligations to home or Church or charity.
I love to gamble BUT I hate to lose, so I gamble only with what I know I can afford to lose. I used to love the dice (craps) but have taken recently to Texas Hold-em (one on one against the dealer - not the regular tournanment style game).
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