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lubczyk
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And minors wouldn’t be playing the game if their parent’s older siblings bought it for themselves.
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And minors wouldn’t be playing the game if their parent’s older siblings bought it for themselves.
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gmags2003
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You can be 17 years old to buy GTA4, but you must be 18 to enter a real strip club. I’ve been playing GTA games since I was 11 years old – of course they’ve gotten more “intense” over the years in terms of content, but still I would say that is suitable for all ages.
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gam197
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Things I found unacceptable:
1.** Coarseness** – F word is common and language is **very graphic **with words describing most sexual acts. Sadly this is a reflection of the culture we live as this language can be heard on any street even in small town America.
2.The demeaning attitude toward women was annoying at times.
This game is geared toward the twenties male. Its “New York” or Liberty city scenes are realistic and corporate American is made fun of because its billboard signs often point to real corporations but with a twist in their ads. Players can go into buildings, watch TV and get on the internet. On the limited internet sites, it spoofs things like “make a baby” by putting your order in for a child or the child porn link which takes you to a police site.
The car’s radio stations you listen to while playing has a main talk show host imitating Rush Limbaugh but again it is a spoof on him as an extremist, often talking with married people with families, angry males or homeschoolers but I didn’t find it offensive, no more than a Saturday Night Life spoof of Rush. They have a conservative Fred Thompson character, a psychic who never gets anything right and a liberal station host who ranks on things like medicine, health care, and the government.
It is a violent action game where corrupt cops or innocent people get killed, however in this game you can make moral choices. You can take a taxi instead of stealing a car, you don’t have to shoot innocent people and you don’t have to get involved with prostitutes and are not rewarded if you do. It has a little anti-war sentiment because the main Serbian character remembers war.
I find R rated movies and TV in general to be pretty offensive and this game is similar in that it would take only a bit of “intellectual thought” and programming to make it a more acceptable form of entertainment. Sadly most gamers like it when other younger players watch but this game should be off limits.
1.** Coarseness** – F word is common and language is **very graphic **with words describing most sexual acts. Sadly this is a reflection of the culture we live as this language can be heard on any street even in small town America.
2.The demeaning attitude toward women was annoying at times.
This game is geared toward the twenties male. Its “New York” or Liberty city scenes are realistic and corporate American is made fun of because its billboard signs often point to real corporations but with a twist in their ads. Players can go into buildings, watch TV and get on the internet. On the limited internet sites, it spoofs things like “make a baby” by putting your order in for a child or the child porn link which takes you to a police site.
The car’s radio stations you listen to while playing has a main talk show host imitating Rush Limbaugh but again it is a spoof on him as an extremist, often talking with married people with families, angry males or homeschoolers but I didn’t find it offensive, no more than a Saturday Night Life spoof of Rush. They have a conservative Fred Thompson character, a psychic who never gets anything right and a liberal station host who ranks on things like medicine, health care, and the government.
It is a violent action game where corrupt cops or innocent people get killed, however in this game you can make moral choices. You can take a taxi instead of stealing a car, you don’t have to shoot innocent people and you don’t have to get involved with prostitutes and are not rewarded if you do. It has a little anti-war sentiment because the main Serbian character remembers war.
I find R rated movies and TV in general to be pretty offensive and this game is similar in that it would take only a bit of “intellectual thought” and programming to make it a more acceptable form of entertainment. Sadly most gamers like it when other younger players watch but this game should be off limits.
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TheAwesomeOne
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It’s violent and has sex in it. This is so ridiculous. Guess what? The Hot Coffee mod was NOT made by Rockstar Games (GTA’s developers), it was made by some dude called (I forget his name, but it was in EGM last month). Also, you don’t have to kill people or have sex if you don’t want to. In GTA4, you can get on the internet, go shopping, or watch TV for hours on end.
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Oscarthecat
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It is a violent action game where corrupt cops or innocent people get killed, however in this game you can make moral choices. You can take a taxi instead of stealing a car, you don’t have to shoot innocent people and you don’t have to get involved with prostitutes and are not rewarded if you do. It has a little anti-war sentiment because the main Serbian character remembers war.
I hear this kind of response a lot, and I think it misses the point. For me, isn’t so much HOW you play the game, but that the act of purchasing the game constitutes some level of formal or material cooperation with a problem that very much exists in the real world-the glorification of immoral behaviors.
That is, buying the game is itself a choice that takes place in the real world.The game developer doesn’t know (or, arguably, care) what you do with the game once you buy it. Their objective is that you buy the game. When you buy the game, you encourage the industry to make more games like it.
That being said, I might be able to make an argument for playing the game if it was purchased second hand, at a used game store. The game creators don’t see any of that money, and don’t count the sale of used games when considering the retail success of the game. Therefore, you could buy a used copy, avoid those elements you find objectionable, and still enjoy the redeemable aspects of the game. However, that’d be stretching a bit, I think :juggle:
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gam197
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The majority of these players are 12-30 years of age, males who have little money and are looking for some form of entertainment.They like the high level interactions, play the game, beat the game and then wait for a new challenging game. They only make so many of these games so the makers know the market is there. They put in the trash because that is sadly a reflection of their age’s culture and it also helps sell to males 20+. Make it AO and that will essentially take it off the market. I am not hopeful that they will come back with a clean version but I totally agree that this game could have been made more palatable for everyone. Greed!
For the last 40 years many people have been asking that the TV be cleaned up. The major networks haven’t done that because it sells and when costly cable came it, it added more channels to filter through.
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whatevergirl
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My son recently bought GTA4…There are a lot of non violent things ‘to do’ in that game, yet I’m not pleased with this–he is thinking of returning it, as he didn’t know it was going to be so violent and profane.
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ArchRemmy
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Thank you for the analysis. I have been asking myself, if I were a professional game critic and my rating affected the metacritic score of this game, what would I give it on a scale of 1-10. It’s a hard question. I know decentfilms uses two different ratings. I’ve been interested in a similar decentgames site but do not have all the know-how or motivation to begin a site in that vein.Things I found unacceptable:
1.** Coarseness** – F word is common and language is **very graphic **with words describing most sexual acts. Sadly this is a reflection of the culture we live as this language can be heard on any street even in small town America.
2.The demeaning attitude toward women was annoying at times.
This game is geared toward the twenties male. Its “New York” or Liberty city scenes are realistic and corporate American is made fun of because its billboard signs often point to real corporations but with a twist in their ads. Players can go into buildings, watch TV and get on the internet. On the limited internet sites, it spoofs things like “make a baby” by putting your order in for a child or the child porn link which takes you to a police site.
The car’s radio stations you listen to while playing has a main talk show host imitating Rush Limbaugh but again it is a spoof on him as an extremist, often talking with married people with families, angry males or homeschoolers but I didn’t find it offensive, no more than a Saturday Night Life spoof of Rush. They have a conservative Fred Thompson character, a psychic who never gets anything right and a liberal station host who ranks on things like medicine, health care, and the government.
It is a violent action game where corrupt cops or innocent people get killed, however in this game you can make moral choices. You can take a taxi instead of stealing a car, you don’t have to shoot innocent people and you don’t have to get involved with prostitutes and are not rewarded if you do. It has a little anti-war sentiment because the main Serbian character remembers war.
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Oscarthecat
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If the makers of the game really are motivated by greed alone, then they could release a “T” rated patch that could be purchased aftermarket. I don’t know much about coding and game development, but I’m sure it would be possible to “dub” over the offensive language and delete the prostitutes and strip clubs from the game. If they did that, I would be the first to buy the game and then buy the patch, if only to send the message that there is a market for the good aspects of this game. The game makers make a few extra bucks, and the rest of us get to make a statement. Game developers release after-market game patches all the time for 5 or 10 dollars that usually add content or functionality-this should be no different, but they’re just removing content.
This way, the game developer could get an accurate measure of how many people really do want the game for reasons other than the objectionable qualities that draw so much attention. Ideally, the next time a game like this is being produced, the creators might figure they can make just as much money without spending their own time and resources coding gratuitous sex and violence into the game.
for those who would respond “what?! well, I’m not going to give my money to people who make that kind of stuff. We need to make them stop making these games.”…all I can say is that I don’t think you change peoples’ hearts through legislation or coersion. This game is making so much money that any kind of boycott would go unnoticed. You could buy a bunch of the games and burn them in a parking lot, I guess, but the company still made money on all those games, and you’d just be branded as a religous nut by the media.
I think that it would be more lasting and effective to use market forces to demonstrate that games without the lascivious elements of GTA4 can be just as fun and profitable.
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gam197
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I would encourage him to take it back and it stinks as they have been waiting for this new game. The songs on the radio have a lot of language. Some of the sexual jokes are very graphic and offensive.
I really don’t have a problem if the main character has drinks, gets into his car and has a difficult time controlling the steering of the car as the goal is to control the car. I know the group Mothers Against Drunk Driving was angry.
I understand that they want to project a real experience of corrupt city life and therefore the spoof on the name “Liberty” but they went too far.
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whatevergirl
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from my understanding of it…it seems that there is a plot–a decent one–about the main character…it’s not all negative, but I don’t understand the premise behind ‘promoting’ corrupt city life.
He already ‘beat’ Assassins Creed, and now with football here…he has less time to spend on video games. And mom (that’s me lol) is going to be ‘assigning’ classic books this summer, so between all of this…he mind as well return it.
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gam197
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It doesn’t just promote corrupt city life, at times it shows the city as a beautiful place where one can imagine that people work and family life goes on. It just is this game the main character is kind of a good guy fighting against the corruption. He’s not too good because he is killing everyone but I assume the players see it as a crime or war situation which may be a bit twisted.
I’ve read reviews and many of the players don’t like it because you can’t play with your friends as in multi-players unless both are online which is a major drawback.
They don’t like that cars can’t be detailed or changed, that clothes can’t be changed, that it is difficult to earn money and that in death, the hospital costs are expensive. Some of the prior games had better setups so I am glad and am not in favor of this game because of the constant language which doesn’t bother the players one bit and the sexual talk. The gamers say it wouldn’t be realistic but I disagree…
When I looked it up, I found the YouTube video to promote the new game while gamers waited -(Grand Theft Auto 3 -2001)and it had been viewed by over 2 million.
My son who lives on his own bought it but I’ve not been able to convince him to take it back.
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consumedconvert
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As a young adult, I’m sometimes disturbed by the games I have played in the past. Call me a shrew, but I actually stopped playing GTA London (yeah, the old one-dimensional one) in my teen years because it cussed at me non-stop.
As a father, there’s no chance in the unholy hot place I will ever allow anything like this under my roof. If it were a movie, we wouldn’t allow it in our house either. It is utterly inconsistent with Catholic morality. I really can’t imagine how this is debatable.
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As a father, there’s no chance in the unholy hot place I will ever allow anything like this under my roof. If it were a movie, we wouldn’t allow it in our house either. It is utterly inconsistent with Catholic morality. I really can’t imagine how this is debatable.
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consumedconvert
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BTW, one of the best criteria I’ve ever heard for judging media comes from the gentleman who starred in Bella–I can’t remember his name, and even if I could I couldn’t spell it! 
In an interview he said they weren’t out to make a Catholic movie, just a movie they would feel comfortable watching with Our Lady.
Makes you think.
In an interview he said they weren’t out to make a Catholic movie, just a movie they would feel comfortable watching with Our Lady.
Makes you think.
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cjsutton
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I had bought it after it came out. It’s just too offensive. I took the copy back and got a copy of the Spiritual Exercises of St. Ignatius with the money I got back.
The language is really rough, and where the previous games were cheeky, this one was just dark and really really violent. I think this game is definitely incompatible with the faith.
Which is too bad all in all, because the rendering in the graphics was gorgeous. It’s too bad that all that work was done for something so violent. I don’t think I need to go to confession for playing this game, but I think I’ll just stick to Forza 2 & PGR 4 (racing games).
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The language is really rough, and where the previous games were cheeky, this one was just dark and really really violent. I think this game is definitely incompatible with the faith.
Which is too bad all in all, because the rendering in the graphics was gorgeous. It’s too bad that all that work was done for something so violent. I don’t think I need to go to confession for playing this game, but I think I’ll just stick to Forza 2 & PGR 4 (racing games).
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whatevergirl
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My son subscribes to Game Informer…and it is definitely ‘all the rage’ amongst his peers. He plays it a bit differently, he is more into ‘beating games,’ than being enamored with the violence…granted, the backdrops of these games can be very insidious and seep into a kid’s brain, without them being cognizant of it. He likes the skill set that you need to beat the game…still has 20 days to return it…It doesn’t just promote corrupt city life, at times it shows the city as a beautiful place where one can imagine that people work and family life goes on. It just is this game the main character is kind of a good guy fighting against the corruption. He’s not too good because he is killing everyone but I assume the players see it as a crime or war situation which may be a bit twisted.
I’ve read reviews and many of the players don’t like it because you can’t play with your friends as in multi-players unless both are online which is a major drawback.
They don’t like that cars can’t be detailed or changed, that clothes can’t be changed, that it is difficult to earn money and that in death, the hospital costs are expensive. Some of the prior games had better setups so I am glad and am not in favor of this game because of the constant language which doesn’t bother the players one bit and the sexual talk. The gamers say it wouldn’t be realistic but I disagree…
When I looked it up, I found the YouTube video to promote the new game while gamers waited -(Grand Theft Auto 3 -2001)and it had been viewed by over 2 million.
My son who lives on his own bought it but I’ve not been able to convince him to take it back.
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Karmastrike
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Like it or not, don’t ban it. Freedom of speech is important.
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whatevergirl
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Update–my son BEAT THE GAME TODAY. 
He said he didn’t see anything that bad…he just wanted to beat the game. Well, there you go.
I guess taking it back now would be a moot point.
He actually will not be playing video games during the week though…it is his ‘consequence’ for not turning in some of his assignments. (see thread in parenting section )
He said he didn’t see anything that bad…he just wanted to beat the game. Well, there you go.I guess taking it back now would be a moot point.
He actually will not be playing video games during the week though…it is his ‘consequence’ for not turning in some of his assignments. (see thread in parenting section )
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GTAsoldier
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I already beat GTA IV about a couple of days ago. Overall, I’m a big GTA fan.
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