Gaps in Evolution

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grannymh said:
Who did you say proved the human species had fur and then lost it?

I apologize for being so cranky about goosebumps. Maybe it is time again for me to declare that –

I flat out refuse to be considered the same as other mammal species.
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Humans never had fur, our ancestors did. The question is not did they lose it, it is why did they lose it.

sbs.utexas.edu/levin/bio311d/articles/WhyHumansAndFur081903.pdf

Why would you refuse to consider we are a mammal when we clearly are?
 
Charles_Darwin said:
You - Are - A - Random - Accident of no greater consequence than a bacteria.

Not sure who thinks that, but its not evolution.

The evolution I am referring to always refers to things that supposedly happened millions of years ago. No one was around to observe. It is not repeatable in a laboratory.

Tell me do we have to recreate a murder to know someone was murdered? Or can we peice together the evidence? Oh and its no the process that has to be repeatable its the experiments (the EVIDENCE).
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That what Evolution says we are, just an accident. Thats where the Supposed Origins of Life come from, Gases, turned into Amino Acids by lightning etc… That turn into living cells. (Although this has been de-bunked, in Miller’s experiment)

And alot of the EVIDENCE, is easily countered as well, no one really comments on my posts, then I take it Those Posts have no answer to them on a Evolutionist stance?
I would really expect a comment other then “Stop using creationist websites”
Cuz no one has rebuked what I have shared here.
 
grannymh said:
Charles, I will rephrase my request by saying that my request is not to satisfy my needs or not to satisfy my curiosity. I can understand your way of reading through abstracts and I accept that. Now since that is what you say you do, please share with me something you found which met your needs or curiosity about the brain. Or what is the last thing you have read on humans and evolution?

I am not picking on you. I have, at one time or another, asked most of the posters here to share their information and research. I am still doing it because the human species fascinates me in its complexity. And I will soon get back to some very interesting answers to my questions.

By the way, my favorite sources for evolution are the following web sites:


--this is the one scientists refer to as “the tree of life”

Blessings,
granny

Human life is meant for eternal life with God.
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The tree of Life thing, I Found a Coutner Arguement to that, A few posts back.
Basicaly if we all started from 1 species, then that would means the Amount of Fossil evidence would Increase over time, as the tree of life branches off.

Anything but, For Fossil Evidence actualy Decreases over time.

If Darwinian evolution is a such a correct and accurate theory, then why would more and more reputable scientists abandon their support for this greatest thing since slice bread ???

In 2001, a hundred scientists took out this ad: click here ichthus.info/Evolution/DOCS/100ScientistsAd.pdf

In 2005, the number grew to 400: click here ichthus.info/Evolution/DOCS/Dissent-of-Evolution-2005.pdf

The list is 17 pages long in 2007… click here
ichthus.info/Evolution/DOCS/Scientific-dessent-2007.pdf

These are all scientists that Do not agree with Darwinism. Trained, Expert Scientists.

A hurricane going through a junk yard COULD create a completely functional Boeing 747… not likely, but still POSSIBLE.

The “tree of life” is the pictorial depiction on how different species evolved
Presumably, a single living “thing” was “made” some billions of years ago…
Then through mutation and natural selection – over many billions of years – it evolves and “changes” into different species.

When a new specie emerge, there is a new branch of the tree…

According to the theory of evolution, we should see only a few species at the beginning of time
Mutation and natural selection creates diversity over billions of years…
So the number of different species increases gradually in time
Number of species found in fossil record should increases with time…

(according to theory)

Realitiy

Very FEW fossils found before a certain time (called “Precambrian era”)
Fossils of ALL SPECIES found in a relatively short period (millions of years instead of billions of years) after the "Precambrian era - further more, all species are FULLY developed, without INTERMEDIATE forms
Number of species found in fossil record decreases with time…
The fossil records DO NOT SUPPORT the “Tree of Life” which is a predictive outcome of the “Theory” of Evolution

In fact, the fossil record supports the creation scenario !!! (But you won’t hear that in any public school…)

This was quoted from ichthus.info/Evolution/evolution.html Just skip around the page abit, it is very informative.
 
Not too long ago there was a bigger list of vestigial organs. As time goes on the organs have found to be useful after all. I will give this one a little more time.

This seems like an evolution of the gaps argument - we do not yet know why so fit it into evolution.
 
Charles_Darwin said:
You - Are - A - Random - Accident of no greater consequence than a bacteria.

Not sure who thinks that, but its not evolution.

The evolution I am referring to always refers to things that supposedly happened millions of years ago. No one was around to observe. It is not repeatable in a laboratory.

Tell me do we have to recreate a murder to know someone was murdered? Or can we peice together the evidence? Oh and its no the process that has to be repeatable its the experiments (the EVIDENCE).
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This is a good one. If you only look inside the room where the body was found you may not have all the evidence to find out if it was murder or accidental.

And the same goes for God - do we need empirical evidence to know He exists?
 
grannymh said:
Is this a coincidence or not? That is one of the pages I study. Fascinating. Alec was very helpful to me when I landed on CAF. He has my respect even when we totally disagree.
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Snake DNA has been found in a cow. HGT could very well be responsible for this.
 
buffalo said:
Perhaps Adam and Eve never had body hair and our DNA signaled a need for it and we simply adapted.
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Sense: This makes none.

I’m saying that our hypothalamus is programmed to try to fluff up our fur when we get cold, which is undebatable, but we don’t have any fur. Either this is a vestigial function, or we were designed with the intent of tricking us into thinking our species once had fur.
 
The biggest blow to Evolution I think, is the fact that The Fossil evidence doesn’t support it all.

I have not seen any Tranisitional SPecies

Horse evolution has been debunked
(They are different animals, put in line of order, paleontologist George Gaylord Simpson re-examined horse evolution and concluded that generations of students had been misled.)
Archaeopteryx . Has been debunked. (the fossil was fully formed, and no transitional or incomplete part was found in it, in the reptile = bird scenario, and looks can be very decieving)

Where are the transitional species that “should” be there, if you follow the Tree of Life.
 
That what Evolution says we are, just an accident.

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Thats where the Supposed Origins of Life come from, Gases, turned into Amino Acids by lightning etc… That turn into living cells. (Although this has been de-bunked, in Miller’s experiment)

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And alot of the EVIDENCE, is easily countered as well, no one really comments on my posts, then I take it Those Posts have no answer to them on a Evolutionist stance?

That because you understanding of science is so bad that you are beyond help. I mean you don’t even know what a theory is, you think **“That what Evolution says we are, just an accident.”
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buffalo said:
This is a good one. If you only look inside the room where the body was found you may not have all the evidence to find out if it was murder or accidental.

And the same goes for God - do we need empirical evidence to know He exists?
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What you don’t think you get empirical evidence in a murder case?
 
Angel7 said:
The biggest blow to Evolution I think, is the fact that The Fossil evidence doesn’t support it all.

I have not seen any Tranisitional SPecies

Horse evolution has been debunked
(They are different animals, put in line of order, paleontologist George Gaylord Simpson re-examined horse evolution and concluded that generations of students had been misled.)
Archaeopteryx . Has been debunked. (the fossil was fully formed, and no transitional or incomplete part was found in it, in the reptile = bird scenario, and looks can be very decieving)

Where are the transitional species that “should” be there, if you follow the Tree of Life.
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I don’t think i have ever met anyone that knows less about science than you… :eek:
 
Charles_Darwin said:
I don’t think i have ever met anyone that knows less about science than you… :eek:
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I’m not a scientist, I’m a Catholic who Believes in Creationism. I am Learning, and that still doesn’t answer my Question, but rather comment on my understanding of the matter…😉
 
According to the theory of evolution, we should see only a few species at the beginning of time
Mutation and natural selection creates diversity over billions of years…
So the number of different species increases gradually in time
Number of species found in fossil record should increases with time…
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Actually, there were no species at the beginning of time.
Yes.
Not always
Not always

The environment is not always going to facilitate the growth of new species- did you ever learn about “niches” in middle school biology?
 
tjm190 said:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fossil#Rarity_of_fossils

You couldn’t even wiki the subject?
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Thank you, atlesat that answers half of the questions. Yes, Fossils are rare, but shouldn’t they find “Some” transitional species by now?

2nd Half. What are the new “Humans” what modern example of a species that could potential “Mutate” I see no Modern Transitional Species. If we really did come from Monkeys. Wouldn’t there be transitional species Today?

Has Bacteria Naturally “evolved” into anything new? seeing as they go through generations quicker then other creatures. with out man made interference?
 
Charles_Darwin said:
Humans never had fur, our ancestors did. The question is not did they lose it, it is why did they lose it.

sbs.utexas.edu/levin/bio311d/articles/WhyHumansAndFur081903.pdf

Why would you refuse to consider we are a mammal when we clearly are?
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You’re right to challenge my statement: “I flat out refuse to be considered the same as other mammal species.” I really don’t deny being a mammal. I don’t want to be considered the same as other mammal species.There is this innate sense that I am different.:rotfl:Sorry, but it is hard for me to be serious on my birthday.

There is enough of material naturalism in me that I recognize that what I see and touch is matter. Thus the matter, which makes cows and myself mammals, is obvious. I don’t deny the material side of my nature. Neither do I limit my nature to the material. In that respect, I am not the same as a cow or any other animal species. If this doesn’t make sense, challenge and I will try a different approach. .

The other Charles Darwin’s worldview included the concept that the nature or being of all living things is matter. As I understand your comments about the brain you are in agreement with the other Darwin.

One way of expressing Darwinian evolution and the nature of matter is this sentence:
Evolution takes place in living organisms; therefore, all parts of living organisms have evolved. I do take issue with that concept–sometime in the future we can discuss this.

I agree with your point about “fur” and ancestors and did read your link. While I am an evolutionist, there are a lot of topics which do not interest me including fur and vestigial organs. I do admit to having a five-year-old’s love of dinosaurs and am delighted that some have evolved into other animals.
 
Angel7 said:
Thank you, atlesat that answers half of the questions. Yes, Fossils are rare, but shouldn’t they find “Some” transitional species by now?

2nd Half. What are the new “Humans” what modern example of a species that could potential “Mutate” I see no Modern Transitional Species. If we really did come from Monkeys. Wouldn’t there be transitional species Today?

Has Bacteria Naturally “evolved” into anything new? seeing as they go through generations quicker then other creatures. with out man made interference?
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Okay, let’s look at it this way. Let’s say there was an alien on his home planet with a very powerful camera. This camera can take a picture of it’s subject regardless of distance, lighting, and objects in between. Now let us say, using this camera, the alien takes pictures of a person over their life time, but only a dozen or so at random intervals.

Let’s say he did this to you. In the first picture, you were living in one place- in the next, you were living in another place. Based on this information, the alien concludes that we humans have the ability to teleport- because he knows you transitioned from one place to another, but he never saw you moving.

We don’t find transitional fossils as often because, while evolution takes millions of years, a fully evolved species will remain in it’s evolved form for much much longer than that- and all we have are random snapshots.

As to the humans thing- the species we evolved from no longer exists. A while back a group of some primate began the evolutionary trek to man, but the ape-men all died out.

And bacteria do evolve- ever heard of “drug resistant” strains?
 
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