Gaps in Evolution

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Charles_Darwin said:
LOL NO, you want me to pretend to believe in YOUR god, based on a THREAT! Don’t believe or burn in hell. This stance might work on the feeble minded, some of us require a little thing called EVIDENCE!

I DONT “deliberate complicate”, there are many many gods proposed by man, 3/4’s of the people on earth dont accept christianity.

Why on EARTH would me believing in your god so on the off chance i don’t go to your hell be believing “sincerely”.

It’s like debating 5 years olds.
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How old are you anyway? You sound a little on the youngish side (with your snide and purposely obtuse remarks). You’ve miscontrued pretty much everything I’ve said in my post to you.

P.S. I’ll have to debate you later. Ciao, my “dour” scotsman.
 
buffalo said:
RIght on StA. 👍 Only empirical science in the science classroom. All philosophies including evolution belong in mandatory philosophy class.
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LOL your don’t even understand empirical testing! :rolleyes:
 
josie_L said:
How old are you anyway? You sound a little on the youngish side (with your snide and purposely obtuse remarks). You’ve miscontrued pretty much everything I’ve said in my post to you.

P.S. I’ll have to debate you later. Ciao, my “dour” scotsman.
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Way to skip the points ;).

Dude you claimed I.D. would not dilute science. How do you expect me to react?🤷
 
buffalo said:
RIght on StA. 👍 Only empirical science in the science classroom. All philosophies including evolution belong in mandatory philosophy class.
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Evolution is a fact, the theory of evolution is our best explanation for how it happens (its not just mommies and daddies, viruses play a part too for example). Philosophy would be the discussion of what having a common ancestor with great apes means.

now as long as we’re playing the link drop game, heres one of my old favorites I had forgotten about, which tackles the meat of the teaching creationism issue rather nicely:

youtube.com/watch?v=93mWjngq4oA&feature=channel_page
 
Charles_Darwin said:
Cool so you agree from my point of view there is not a yes or no to be answered about ONE specific god, since i don’t believe in any gods???
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Look - starting out from scratch without any knowledge how would one start on the hunt for God? Presumably he would look at all the gods and start asking questions. You obviously have done so and eliminated the “low hanging fruit”. The Christian God is quite another story now isn’t He?

What do we know? How do we know it? When did we know it? When it is all sorted out objectively the only religion left standing is the one who possesses the “fullness of truth”.

Man’s quest for God without Revelation produced the pagan gods. That is because we are so limited in our ability.

God comes to meet man - aka Revelation. Without it who knows what we would believe.

Interwoven through history is this meeting. The history of this meeting is preserved through the Bible.
 
curioosbadger said:
Evolution is a fact, the theory of evolution is our best explanation for how it happens (its not just mommies and daddies, viruses play a part too for example). Philosophy would be the discussion of what having a common ancestor with great apes means.

now as long as we’re playing the link drop game, heres one of my old favorites I had forgotten about, which tackles the meat of the teaching creationism issue rather nicely:

youtube.com/watch?v=93mWjngq4oA&feature=channel_page
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I am content with my vote to restrict science class to observable, repeatable and predictable science.
 
buffalo said:
Look - starting out from scratch without any knowledge how would one start on the hunt for God? Presumably he would look at all the gods and start asking questions. You obviously have done so and eliminated the “low hanging fruit”. The Christian God is quite another story now isn’t He?

What do we know? How do we know it? When did we know it? When it is all sorted out objectively the only religion left standing is the one who possesses the “fullness of truth”.

Man’s quest for God without Revelation produced the pagan gods. That is because we are so limited in our ability.

God comes to meet man - aka Revelation. Without it who knows what we would believe.

Interwoven through history is this meeting. The history of this meeting is preserved through the Bible.
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Why god and not gods?
 
fella’s, god is completely tangential to evolution- evolution may be evidence that creation myths are wrong (Christians arnt the only folks with them either), but being wrong on one thing doesnt imply that its wrong on all things (like the existence of god or just plain old how to be a good person). cant you take it to a different thread and focus on the lack of evidence or that the evil actions of the old testament god make him unworthy of worship even if he does exist?
 
buffalo said:
Because we were told God not gods.

The first commandment is: I am the Lord thy God thou shalt not have strange Gods before me.

When Moses asked about His name God replied - “I am who am”.
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What does the bible have to do with it, why should i believe that over accounts of zeus? Now do you see the problem with pascal’s wager?
 
Charles_Darwin said:
What does the bible have to do with it, why should i believe that over accounts of zeus? Now do you see the problem with pascal’s wager?
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No I don’t - I learned Catholicism in school and from my parents. Self study led me deeper. Prayer is taking it further yet.

When I apply Pascal’s wager it is within that framework. It works for me. If through my faith I find joy and purpose and lead a good life, I will see God. Taking the skeptic approach doesn’t make any sense at all. So Pascal’s wager is a reinforcement. I see no downside.

What do you think the downside for me is?
 
buffalo said:
No I don’t - I learned Catholicism in school and from my parents. Self study led me deeper. Prayer is taking it further yet.

When I apply Pascal’s wager it is within that framework. It works for me. If through my faith I find joy and purpose and lead a good life, I will see God. Taking the skeptic approach doesn’t make any sense at all. So Pascal’s wager is a reinforcement. I see no downside.

What do you think the downside for me is?
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Ok then lets apply it to you, what if you are wrong about zeus?
 
buffalo said:
I do not have a personal relationship with Zeus.

Then God is a liar.
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But you should believe in Zeus too, just incase. You have nothing to lose. If Zeus is not true then you will lose nothing, but if he is he might be pissed with you that you didnt believe in him!

NOW do you see how stupid pascal’s wager is. When it comes to pascal’s wager i’m in the **EXACT **!!! same position in regard to your god as you are in regard to zeus.
 
Charles_Darwin said:
But you should believe in Zeus too, just incase. You have nothing to lose. If Zeus is not true then you will lose nothing, but if he is he might be pissed with you that you didnt believe in him!

NOW do you see how stupid pascal’s wager is. When it comes to pascal’s wager i’m in the **EXACT **!!! same position in regard to your god as you are in regard to zeus.
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I think it is foolish. Zeus does not possess these attributes.

**The Attributes of the Divine Being **


  1. *] God is absolutely perfect. (De fide.)
    *] God is actually infinite in every perfection. (De fide.)
    *] God is absolutely simple. (De fide.)
    *] There is only One God. (De fide.)
    *] The One God is, in the ontological sense, The True God. (De fide.)
    *] God possesses an infinite power of cognition. (De fide.)
    *] God is absolute Veracity. (De fide.)
    *] God is absolutely faithful. (De fide.)
    *] God is absolute ontological Goodness in Himself and in relation to others. (De fide.)
    *] God is absolute Moral Goodness or Holiness. (De fide.) D 1782.
    *] God is absolute Benignity. (De fide.) D1782.
    *] God is absolute Beauty. D1782.
    *] God is absolutely immutable. (De fide.)
    *] God is eternal. (De fide.)
    *] God is immense or absolutely immeasurable. (De fide.)
    *] God is everywhere present in created space. (De fide.)
 
…and

** The Attributes of the Divine Life **


  1. *] God’s knowledge is infinite. (De fide.)
    *] God’s knowledge is purely and simply actual.
    *] God’s knowledge is subsistent
    *] God’s knowledge is comprehensive
    *] God’s knowledge is independent of extra-divine things
    *] The primary and formal object of the Divine Cognition is God Himself. (Scientia contemplationis)
    *] God knows all that is merely possible by the knowledge of simple intelligence (scientia simplicis intelligentiae). (De fide.)
    *] God knows all real things in the past, the present and the future (Scientia visionis). (De fide.)
    *] By knowledge of vision (scientia visionis) God also foresees the free acts of the rational creatures with infallible certainty. (De fide.)
    *] God also knows the conditioned future free actions with infallible certainty (Scientia futuribilium). (Sent. communis.)
    *] God’s Divine will is infinite. (De fide.)
    *] God loves Himself of necessity, but loves and wills the creation of extra-Divine things, on the other hand, with freedom. (De fide.)
    *] God is almighty. (De fide.)
    *] God is the Lord of the heavens and of the earth. (De fide.) D 1782.
    *] God is infinitely just. (De fide.)
    *] God is infinitely merciful. (De fide.)
 
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