Gaps in Evolution

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texson said:
Yo CD,
There are numerous historical extra-biblical references to Jesus of Nazareth.
I imagine you have heard of Pliny, the elder and the younger whom are among
the most notable historians of the early first century.

The famous human, Jesus, who was also called Christ existed, fact.

C. S. Lewis’ simple yet profound question of Liar, Lunatic or Lord must be answered
by anyone who really cares. You wouldn’t be here spending so much time and
mental effort if you didn’t care. So, in your opinion, based upon what he said and taught,
was Jesus:
A liar
A lunatic
The one true Messiah, God in the flesh, as he claimed?

(We have many early copies of these claims, in the
form of New Testament scrolls. Sorry I can’t provide you
with a YouTube link of Jesus himself making these claims.)
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Hmm not according to the roman history suite.

roman-history.suite101.com/article.cfm/pliny_tacitus_josephus_and_jesus

Anyway hersay evidence and 2000 year old word of mouth testimonies don’t do it for me.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
 
curioosbadger said:
correct, so pretending to believe because of a fear of hell , or greed of heaven isnt a good reason to believe in god.
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I am afraid of hell and have no problem saying so.

Now when I was a child my mother wacked my behind when I touched the hot stove. There was no point in reasoning with me so fear was used to keep me safe. As I grew older then reason set in for not touching the hot stove.

The faith journey is somewhat like that. Fear grows to respect then to total love. The person then finds joy in their life.

Pascal’s wager is a win-win scenario.
 
Charles_Darwin said:
Yes it is just one of many factors. The rate of genetic change during the cambrian explosion does not pose a problem for evolution, as evidence suggests that genomic complexity occurred alot earlier (100’s of millions years if not a billion years) prior to the phenotypic diversity of the Cambrian.The real question is what is the threshold that is being crossed that allowed the development of multicellular life.
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Worth listening to:

Interview With Evolutionary Biologist Stuart Newman
 
buffalo said:
I am afraid of hell and have no problem saying so.

Now when I was a child my mother wacked my behind when I touched the hot stove. There was no point in reasoning with me so fear was used to keep me safe. As I grew older then reason set in for not touching the hot stove.

The faith journey is somewhat like that. Fear grows to respect then to total love. The person then finds joy in their life.

Pascal’s wager is a win-win scenario.
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Really its a win-win? What if your god is not true but Allah is, or zeus is, etc etc. Not much of a win-win.

Also your mother stopped hitting you, your god doesn’t. Good thing for me is i’m not scared by myths and superstitions.
 
Charles_Darwin said:
Really its a win-win? What if your god is not true but Allah is, or zeus is, etc etc. Not much of a win-win.

Also your mother stopped hitting you, your god doesn’t. Good thing for me is i’m not scared by myths and superstitions.
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I already told you the Muslims, Jews and Catholics all worship the same God of Abraham.

I already showed you the attributes that Zeus does not have.
 
Charles_Darwin said:
Not always, it may make you feel that way but there are plenty of people that don’t share your views.

Besides what does it matter how it makes you feel, what should matter is whats true.
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But it is true. You don’t quite grasp that yet but hopefully one day you will. I pray that you do. God bless.

P.S. I have a peace in my heart, mind and soul because the truth (of faith and reason) sets you free.
 
dbaseII said:
Evolution, an old theory formulated 150 years ago, has been pretty well proven false. This has nothing to do with religion but the fact that it’s dependent on the theory that all this was created by random events, a theory which now has been mathematically disproven by many, Paul Davies for one who has switched to Deism from atheism. The fact that a slight difference in the “cosmological constants” would cause this to all cave in on itself, suggests that God isn’t ONLY the “First Cause” but that it is He that sustains the universe as well.
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You are confused. Evolution has nothing to do with the question of the “cosmological constants.” Your claims are strange and unsupported.

Edwin
 
curioosbadger said:
correct, so pretending to believe because of a fear of hell , or greed of heaven isnt a good reason to believe in god.
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You can’t pretend with pascal’s wager, and he’s not asking you to. His reasoning was based on the limitation of our rational minds to grasp the intangible, therefore because of this limitation take a leap of faith that God does exist (because you have a lot to gain). A leap of faith connotes an act of trust, here’s a definition from the free dictionary:

leap of faith

The act or an instance of believing or trusting in something intangible or incapable of being proved.
 
Charles_Darwin said:
Hmm not according to the roman history suite.

roman-history.suite101.com/article.cfm/pliny_tacitus_josephus_and_jesus

Anyway hersay evidence and 2000 year old word of mouth testimonies don’t do it for me.

Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.
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We are debating the fact of whether Jesus existed (so no such extraodinary evidence is necessary), and the answer to that question is a definite “yes”. This is not just my opinion on the matter but the consensus amongst historians. So please refrain from trying to reestablish the criteria of a field you are unacquainted with.
 
josie_L said:
We are debating the fact of whether Jesus existed (so no such extraodinary evidence is necessary), and the answer to that question is a definite “yes”. This is not just my opinion on the matter but the consensus amongst historians. So please refrain from trying to reestablish the criteria of a field you are unacquainted with.
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Actually its not. There is not one contemporary that clearly mentions him, and there are plenty (in fact ALL) that don’t.
 
buffalo said:
I already told you the Muslims, Jews and Catholics all worship the same God of Abraham.

I already showed you the attributes that Zeus does not have.
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The attributes mean nothing.

Also it doesn’t seem to be that the Muslim’s agree with you. Seem’s that many of them don’t have much time for xains and vice verse. So are you telling me that muslim’s get into heaven or do you get 72 virgins?
 
josie_L said:
But it is true. You don’t quite grasp that yet but hopefully one day you will. I pray that you do. God bless.

P.S. I have a peace in my heart, mind and soul because the truth (of faith and reason) sets you free.
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Ok you pray for me, i will think for you.:rolleyes:
 
Charles_Darwin said:
The attributes mean nothing.

Also it doesn’t seem to be that the Muslim’s agree with you. Seem’s that many of them don’t have much time for xains and vice verse. So are you telling me that muslim’s get into heaven or do you get 72 virgins?
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The attributes are everything. Specifically what attributes do you disagree with?

I already answered this in the post about the Muslims receiving mechanism is wrong.

If you find yourself in heaven it will have been through the One, Holy, Catholic and Apostolic Church founded by Jesus for that very reason.

So yes, there is no salvation outside the Church but all can be saved through the Church.
 
Charles_Darwin said:
Actually its not. There is not one contemporary that clearly mentions him, and there are plenty (in fact ALL) that don’t.
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The historicity of Jesus is not disputed (well, only by a few renegade idiots who call themselves “scholars”); he existed. Furthermore, the writers of the NT are contemporary eyewitnesses to the fact that Jesus existed (not to mention Josephus and other historians who have written about Jesus either indirectly or directly). Actually, we have more proof for Jesus’s existence than we do for Alexander the Great (whose historicity has never been denied by atheists).
 
josie_L said:
The historicity of Jesus is not disputed (well, only by a few renegade idiots who call themselves “scholars”); he existed. Furthermore, the writers of the NT are contemporary eyewitnesses to the fact that Jesus existed (not to mention Josephus and other historians who have written about Jesus either indirectly or directly). Actually, we have more proof for Jesus’s existence than we do for Alexander the Great (whose historicity has never been denied by atheists).
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I will say it again - most atheists do not know history or the methods historians use.

This guy keeps confirming it over and over.😦
 
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