Well there are plenty of different theist, that believe in plenty of different gods. To me there all the same, all lack any real evidence, all deliever no real explanations. I’m just asking to which of mans created gods he is referring.
Na, i don’t. Like i said even if there was a man named jesus, that is exactly what he would be, a man.
That’s quite close. Less than 20 years.
Who would they be? Are you talking about John? That’s the only Gospel that actually makes an internal eyewitness claim.
The only one this really applies to, again, is John.
I presume you are talking about John 21:24. Possibly also 2 Peter 1:16-18, though that’s talking about the Transfiguration and not the resurrection.
Could you support this claim?
In other words, you attack theism without having the slightest clue what you are attacking. Just what do you think you are going to accomplish? Think for a minute about how ridiculous you find it when people attack things you actually know about in this kind of ignorant way.
I don’t really attack it, i just think it’s kind of silly. Let’s be honest you don’t have one shread of REAL evidence that there is a superbeing that created the universe. If you do then please present it. Story books and preaching ain’t evidence by the way.
I would not capitalize any other than the Catholic God.
Quit being obstinate. You know what I meant. You are becoming a waste of my time.So is all this non evidence.I would not capitalize any other than the Catholic God.
There’s a reason it’s called faith, and moreover if by “real” evidence you mean proof according to your standards and limited view, then we are at an empasse. I could cite the martyrdoms of the apostles and many other Christians as evidence that they saw the resurrected Christ and died rather than recant their faith. I could talk about the many miracles produced by saints (and/or eucharistic miracles), I can cite the marian apparitions and/or dancing of the sun at Fatima. The healings at Lourdes or healings in general by prayers (my own experience with near death), the creation of the Universe out of nothing, the laws that from its inception existed (anthropic principle), the absolute improbability of life forming (considering the age of our earth) by chance, the fact that we think and/or have a conscience, the fact that we love and practice altruism (such things are not necessary to evolution for we get nothing in return when we give of ourselves with no thought of return). The fact that Christianity more to the point the Catholic Church as survived 2 millenia despite attempts to destroy it. The fact that people’s faith in Jesus has enabled them to endure great torture (read up on persecuted Christians in Communist countries and other such places). These for me are just some of the things that add up as real evidence.
Oh man, not Descartes.I’d be curious to see if any of the skeptics can “prove” that they themselves exist.
“I google; therefore I am . . .” just don’t cut the “objective proof” mustard.
Better still, prove that I exist.
Science “proves” nothing unless we first agree that there is something outside of ourselves (and outside of “science”) which can be known. That is a metaphysical question, not a scientific one. In fact, merely granting the premise “we” and “ourselves” is a metaphysical exercise. One can rationally believe in God in the same way and with the same metaphysical certainty that one can rationally believe that other minds exist.
“Mind is a by-product of a conscious brain and therefore a physical property” is chock-full of metaphysical assertions. It isn’t a scientific statement at all, unless the metaphysical axioms which the assertion rests upon are granted, sans scientific proof.
So do I exist? Admittedly, I am biased, but I assert that I do exist.
I never expected you to see it as real evidence hence the reason I stated what I did in the first sentence. And I’m not going to really comment on the things you’ve said as most of it is not worth my time or effort. But I have one thing to say never ever compare Christian martyrs to suicide bombers.There’s a reason it’s called faith, and moreover if by “real” evidence you mean proof according to your standards and limited view, then we are at an empasse. I could cite the martyrdoms of the apostles and many other Christians as evidence that they saw the resurrected Christ and died rather than recant their faith.
Not evidence
I could talk about the many miracles produced by saints (and/or eucharistic miracles), I can cite the marian apparitions and/or dancing of the sun at Fatima.
Not evidence
**The healings at Lourdes or healings in general by prayers (my own experience with near death), **
These are in your mind, that is a fact.
**the creation of the Universe out of nothing, **
Nonsense, no one knows what caused the expansion of space time. That does not mean it came “out of nothing”
the laws that from its inception existed (anthropic principle),
The universe is not fine tuned for life.
the absolute improbability of life forming (considering the age of our earth) by chance,
Chance has nothing to do with it.
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the fact that we think and/or have a conscience, the fact that we love and practice altruism (such things are not necessary to evolution for we get nothing in return when we give of ourselves with no thought of return).**
The results of a big brain.
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The fact that Christianity more to the point the Catholic Church as survived 2 millenia despite attempts to destroy it.**
It’s not the oldest religion on earth by any means. And it’s no where near as old as atheism
**The fact that people’s faith in Jesus has enabled them to endure great torture (read up on persecuted Christians in Communist countries and other such places). **
Means nothing, people top theirself for islam, you best swap religion.
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These for me are just some of the things that add up as real evidence.**
Not a single shread.
Science can only explain the how not the why.Oh man, not Descartes.
No i can’t PROVE you exist. To quote thunderf00t, “i believe i you do, i believe the universe does and i believe we can learn something about it. Why? The positive benifits to society”
It’s not about proving anything. It’s about understand the cosmos, understanding our origins. When it comes to this science is the UNDISPUTED champion.
watch 1.25 on
youtube.com/watch?v=w0zSCpsOSSw
Suicide bombers die for their faith, doesn’t make their myths any more real.
As pointed out to you by curioosbadger, before you even try to explain “why” you must first prove there is a why.
Christians martyrs have died for their faith but they did not kill for it, furthermore Christian martyrs don’t go about asking to be persecuted or killed, they just are.
Oh yes, the shackles of mercy, love, and hope are sure weighting me down. Get over your caricature of faith and then you’ll see why people love God. And as I have explained to you countless times I have nothing against science and I appreciate the truth that it reveals but it cannot nor ever reveal to us the real reasons we are here (and how to live our lives) or if for that matter there is a God and an afterlife.
Believers in evolution ‘equate’ Neanderthals to ‘man created in the image of God’. Who is to say, that though Neanderthals look very much like man, that they were not in fact, animals (albeit, the highest order)? Although life is ‘evolving’ even now, these changes are simply due to food, weather, marriage, polution,etc. There are no ‘dramatic’ changes (fish gaining limbs, monkeys losing their tails and becoming humans, etc.). This tells me, that creation is the proper explanation to the existence of life on this planet. It appears, that no matter what we have done to, or are doing to, this planet, we are still able to exist. This is quite a phenomena in itself. God will not let us totally destroy the planet.
** In order to discuss evolution, we should define it first. It is understood that evolution has a tripod (three legged system, namely: