Gaps in Evolution

[josie_L]

I’ve never been religious, i was allowed to form what ever beliefs i wanted. Thats why i didn’t start with any conclusions. I look at the evidence and let that form my beliefs. I don’t understand why you even look at the evidence. Whats the point when you’ve already made your mind up? It’s like convicting someone of murder then looking at the evidence. When you find there is none, you still says their guilty because that was your inital conclusion.

I do look at the evidence as my life experiences proves that God exists.

 

[Thorwald]

Suuuuuuuuuuuuure you have. Ah, back to the old preaching you have to love it.

Claudius Ptolemy -“I know that I am mortal by nature, and ephemeral; but when I trace at my pleasure the windings to and fro of the heavenly bodies I no longer touch the earth with my feet: I stand in the presence of Zeus himself and take my fill of ambrosia, food of the gods.”

Think about it…

I have experienced Numbers 12:6, John 14:21-23, and much more. You know nothing of God, nor do you care to do so. You are so entwined with your own vanity (and the vanity of others), that you fail to recognize true wisdom from God.

We (mankind) are the only [so-called] species on this earth, that has the power to understand all things made available to us from God. We create, destroy, and use things/resources in a way that no other living organism on this planet does. All other living organisms are under our control. This is not ‘evolution’. This has been so, since man was created in God’s image. No other organism seeks out spiritual understanding, or cares to apply scientific theories. Each of the other living (animal) organisms have been provided with their own techniques/abilities in order to survive. This is not ‘evolution’. They needed these things for their original survival. You are in some kind of ‘lost world’.

 

[Charles_Darwin]

That was an interesting cite, thanks, but it didn’t really mention anything about consciousness.

P.S. Wee means small. I know this because I’ve read many historical novels of a romantic nature set in Scotland.

I know wee mean’s small? I called it wee becuase it doesn’t go into great detail, oe length.

 

[Charles_Darwin]

I have experienced Numbers 12:6, John 14:21-23, and much more. You know nothing of God, nor do you care to do so. You are so entwined with your own vanity (and the vanity of others), that you fail to recognize true wisdom from God.

We (mankind) are the only [so-called] species on this earth, that has the power to understand all things made available to us from God. We create, destroy, and use things/resources in a way that no other living organism on this planet does. All other living organisms are under our control. This is not ‘evolution’. This has been so, since man was created in God’s image. No other organism seeks out spiritual understanding, or cares to apply scientific theories. Each of the other living (animal) organisms have been provided with their own techniques/abilities in order to survive. This is not ‘evolution’. They needed these things for their original survival. You are in some kind of ‘lost world’.

LOL yeah the lost world of being able to understand evolution.

 

[Charles_Darwin]

Actually, I’ve been doing some digging, and so far what I found states that scientists are trying to locate the “seat” of consciousness within the brain. I will also be reading up on near death experiences as I find it truly compelling. What do you do for a living or are you a student?

I went to university straight from school and studied Biology, Phsyics and Chemistry. I was young and daft, i just wanted to party and i wanted money. So i quit and joined the prison service. I was a prison officer for 6 years, which is probably why i can be overly blunt at times. I decided i’d had my fill of the politics and conditions of the jails, and decided to go back to uni.

I earned my degree a few months ago and I am now going into my honors year. I study Mathematics And Computing.

 

[planten]

Evolution is not a “tripod legged system”.

As i have already pointed out to you the author of your book doesn’t even understand the basics evolution.

And if your an agnostic that says nothing about whether you are an atheist. Most agnoistics are atheists. I am an agnoistic atheist. Agnosticism deals with knowledge, atheism deals with belief.

**Charles, if that author does not understand what evolution is then I may not be understanding it too. How would you define evolution?. I had mentioned the three important topics of evolution. You have not corrected me too.

Then I had discussed about soul and God. You have not touched upon anything. Please see part of my post again. If possible, reply:

**The atheists are perhaps materialistic. They may not believe in any soul. Man consists of body and soul. Body is visible, soul is not visible. So if the soul is denied just because it cannot be seen, that would not be right. there are many things that we cannot see. But they are there.

Then there are such things as feelings.i.e. Love, hatred, sympathy, envy, jealousy, pain, happiness. If they do not exist or they are not real, then what to do about them? Should they be discarded from the vocabulary and dictionaries? If God is a fiction, i.e. some supposed idea, so let it be. No need to get rid of Him****.

Also you may let me know on what ground do you not believe there is a God? Describe briefly, why you think there is no God. What main reason you have for that please?

 

[Charles_Darwin]

I do look at the evidence as my life experiences proves that God exists.

Heres the thing though. Have you always been religious, were you brought up surrrounded by religion. So many people are, and they don’t have the chance to draw thier own conclusions because they have had the conclusion drilled into them from birth.

This is why we see the vast majority of people sharing the religion of thier parents. What we then see is people researching their religion, but they do so by researching the work of apologists. One should look at the evidence with nothing in mind, and draw the conclusions accordingly.

I would never read a holy book when trying to draw conclusions of life. In my opinion if there is a god then we would see evidence of this in the universe and the formation of the universe. If we did see such evidence i would then consider reserching the religions, but we don’t. In short i see no evidence to suggest there is any sort of gods, and until i do i see no need to research who this god (that there is no evidence to suggest exists) is.

 

[planten]

Heres the thing though. Have you always been religious, were you brought up surrrounded by religion. So many people are, and they don’t have the chance to draw thier own conclusions because they have had the conclusion drilled into them from birth.

This is why we see the vast majority of people sharing the religion of thier parents. What we then see is people researching their religion, but they do so by researching the work of apologists. One should look at the evidence with nothing in mind, and draw the conclusions accordingly.

I would never read a holy book when trying to draw conclusions of life. In my opinion if there is a god then we would see evidence of this in the universe and the formation of the universe. If we did see such evidence i would then consider reserching the religions, but we don’t. In short i see no evidence to suggest there is any sort of gods, and until i do i see no need to research who this god (that there is no evidence to suggest exists) is.

**Charles, I had just sent my post on the same subject to you. You have replied to Josie L and you have told that you do not see any evidence that there is a God. May I ask you what sort of evidence you are looking for?. Some physical evidence or material or moral or spiritual or just an idea in the head or a laboratory proof or a voice from the sky or a dream?? Please elaborate.

Also let me know if you believe in any unseen thing. Do you believe in the feelings, etc?? Elaborate about the evidence that you need to believe in things. Thanks.**

 

[Charles_Darwin]

**Charles, if that author does not understand what evolution is then I may not be understanding it too. How would you define evolution?. I had mentioned the three important topics of evolution. You have not corrected me too.

Then I had discussed about soul and God. You have not touched upon anything. Please see part of my post again. If possible, reply:

**The atheists are perhaps materialistic. They may not believe in any soul. Man consists of body and soul. Body is visible, soul is not visible. So if the soul is denied just because it cannot be seen, that would not be right. there are many things that we cannot see. But they are there.

Then there are such things as feelings.i.e. Love, hatred, sympathy, envy, jealousy, pain, happiness. If they do not exist or they are not real, then what to do about them? Should they be discarded from the vocabulary and dictionaries? If God is a fiction, i.e. some supposed idea, so let it be. No need to get rid of Him****.

Also you may let me know on what ground do you not believe there is a God? Describe briefly, why you think there is no God. What main reason you have for that please?

Evolution works by isolated gene pools, random mutations, natural selection, genetic drift, then speciation.

Heres two very good short videos on the subject.

youtube.com/watch?v=7w57_P9DZJ4

youtube.com/watch?v=MCayG4IIOEQ

I don’t reject the soul because it can’t be seen. I reject it because there is not a single shread of evidence to suggest we have a soul.

Love, hatred, sympathy, envy, jealousy, pain, and happiness are constructs of the brain.

I don’t believe in god because there is not a single shread of evidence to suggest there is one.

 

[Charles_Darwin]

We (mankind) are the only [so-called] species on this earth, that has the power to understand all things made available to us from God. We create, destroy, and use things/resources in a way that no other living organism on this planet does. All other living organisms are under our control. This is not ‘evolution’. This has been so, since man was created in God’s image. No other organism seeks out spiritual understanding, or cares to apply scientific theories. Each of the other living (animal) organisms have been provided with their own techniques/abilities in order to survive. This is not ‘evolution’. They needed these things for their original survival. You are in some kind of ‘lost world’.

Actually there is strong evidence to suggest neanderthal could do all that just aswell as we can.

 

[Charles_Darwin]

**Charles, I had just sent my post on the same subject to you. You have replied to Josie L and you have told that you do not see any evidence that there is a God. May I ask you what sort of evidence you are looking for?. Some physical evidence or material or moral or spiritual or just an idea in the head or a laboratory proof or a voice from the sky or a dream?? Please elaborate.

Also let me know if you believe in any unseen thing. Do you believe in the feelings, etc?? Elaborate about the evidence that you need to believe in things. Thanks.**

I believe in electrons and we can’t see them. Do i believe in feelings? Of course, but we can see the brain react to feelings, we even know what parts of the brain control such thing.

I would be looking for ANY sort of evidence. If a god created all this then i believe there would be evidence to suggest as much. If a god existed then i believe there would be evidence to suggest as much. There point is there is not. So even if there IS a god, we don’t have one shread of evidence to go on, so it is pointless speculating on the subject.

We know our origins, no god involved. We know how life could form, no god involved. We know how planets form, no god involved. We know how solar systems form, no god involved. We know how stars form, no gods involved. We know how black holes form, no gods involved. We know how galaxies form, no gods involved. We know how nebula form, no gods involved. So what exactly do we need a god for when clearly he doesn’t do anything.

 

[planten]

FRom Charles:
Love, hatred, sympathy, envy, jealousy, pain, and happiness are constructs of the brain.

** Thanks charles for the reply. How do you know that they are the constructs of the brain? Let it be so. Do you believe in Love, hatred, sympathy, envy, jealousy, pain, and happiness? Let me know please. Even if they are the constructs of the brain, do you believe in love and hatred and pain and happiness that they are somethings? Somethings important, somethings being real. Do you believe that they are bogus, foolish… I hope you understand…**

 

[Charles_Darwin]

** Thanks charles for the reply. How do you know that they are the constructs of the brain? Let it be so. Do you believe in Love, hatred, sympathy, envy, jealousy, pain, and happiness? Let me know please. Even if they are the constructs of the brain, do you believe in love and hatred and pain and happiness that they are somethings? Somethings important, somethings being real. Do you believe that they are bogus, foolish… I hope you understand…**

They are real to us. We know they are constructs of the brain because we can moniter the brain when we feel these emotions. So yeah i believe that they exist, as they are human constructs that describle a state of mind. We know there origins, they are complex chemical reactions. If you don’t think chemicals can effect you way you think of act, go drink a litre of vodka.

In short i feel the exact same emotions with the exact same intensity that you do. We just don’t agree with there origins. The thing is i have scientific evidence to back up my claim that they are constructs of the brain, that they are complex chemical reactions. We even know which chemical. Dopamine.

Just because we know the origin of something doesn’t make it any less powerful. For example we now know what causes a sunset, or rings round planets. Does that make them any less beautiful? It doesn’t to me.

 

[buffalo]

I went to university straight from school and studied Biology, Phsyics and Chemistry. I was young and daft, i just wanted to party and i wanted money. So i quit and joined the prison service. I was a prison officer for 6 years, which is probably why i can be overly blunt at times. I decided i’d had my fill of the politics and conditions of the jails, and decided to go back to uni.

I earned my degree a few months ago and I am now going into my honors year. I study Mathematics And Computing.

To round out your biased education a Masters in Divinity would be appropriate.

 

[Charles_Darwin]

To round out your biased education a Masters in Divinity would be appropriate.

biased education?

 

[Charles_Darwin]

** Thanks charles for the reply. How do you know that they are the constructs of the brain? Let it be so. Do you believe in Love, hatred, sympathy, envy, jealousy, pain, and happiness? Let me know please. Even if they are the constructs of the brain, do you believe in love and hatred and pain and happiness that they are somethings? Somethings important, somethings being real. Do you believe that they are bogus, foolish… I hope you understand…**

Here’s a good video on the sujbect. Its only five mins long… youtube.com/watch?v=NEEXK3A57Hk

 

[curioosbadger]

I dunno CD, a bit condescending for the first half, I doubt most will actually make it through to the meat of it, I think this ted talks is pretty swell and relevant to what you guys are going on about:

youtube.com/watch?v=TzN-uIVkfjg

Dan Dennett: Cute, sexy, sweet, funny
on youtube

 

[josie_L]

They are real to us. We know they are constructs of the brain because we can moniter the brain when we feel these emotions. So yeah i believe that they exist, as they are human constructs that describle a state of mind. We know there origins, they are complex chemical reactions. If you don’t think chemicals can effect you way you think of act, go drink a litre of vodka.

In short i feel the exact same emotions with the exact same intensity that you do. We just don’t agree with there origins. The thing is i have scientific evidence to back up my claim that they are constructs of the brain, that they are complex chemical reactions. We even know which chemical. Dopamine.

Just because we know the origin of something doesn’t make it any less powerful. For example we now know what causes a sunset, or rings round planets. Does that make them any less beautiful? It doesn’t to me.

No, you don’t have evidence. The brain as I mentioned is in my opinion an apparatus for consciousness as such when we feel emotions those emotions are transmitted through the brain (you need to prove this wrong with the evidence we have available). Therefore, just because we can see what emotions do to the brain you then conclude that it comes from the brain.

P.S. Dopamine can not make someone love (but it is increased when love is present) otherwise why not inject criminals with these chemicals so they can act lovingly towards their neighbor?

 

[josie_L]

biased education?

Yes, because you haven’t bothered to study other fields in order to round out your knowledge. It might allow you to see the error of your ways if you could concentrate on things outside of science (which can’t answer metaphysical questions).

 

[Charles_Darwin]

No, you don’t have evidence. The brain as I mentioned is in **my opinion **an apparatus for consciousness as such when we feel emotions those emotions are transmitted through the brain (you need to prove this wrong with the evidence we have available). Therefore, just because we can see what emotions do to the brain you then conclude that it comes from the brain.

P.S. Dopamine can not make someone love (but it is increased when love is present) otherwise why not inject criminals with these chemicals so they can act lovingly towards their neighbor?

(you need to prove this wrong with the evidence we have available) No this is where your fundimentally incorrect in your reasoning. I dont need to prove anything. You being the one with the hypothesis are the one that needs to “prove” it. This video will explain where you are going wrong, and save me a lot of typing.

Oh and your opinion is meaningless.

youtube.com/watch?v=zcavPAFiG14

Oh and mentally unstable criminals ARE controlled with medication .