Garden Of Eden Adam and Eve

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How was Satan allowed into the garden if you have to perfect and without sin to be there in the first place?
This confuses me because it looks like God allowed something imperfect to be there. This seems contrary to him.

Could someone explain this.
 
Churchman25 said:
How was Satan allowed into the garden if you have to perfect and without sin to be there in the first place?
This confuses me because it looks like God allowed something imperfect to be there. This seems contrary to him.

Could someone explain this.
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Biblical Hebrew does not name satan as being in the garden. The word used is serpent. Ancient Semitic cultures knew serpents as crafty cunning creatures. They are wrought in ancient mythology. All creatures were in the garden, including Serpents. They were all quite peaceful. God created a garden in the east of a place called Eden, and nutured it for all His creation.

God is the only perfect. His creation, including mankind, is imperfect.
 
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I have wondered myself and my thought is the fall already happened before the garden (lucifer rejecting God) and as such, there was temptation already present in the garden.

However, another possibility is that Adam and Eve had free will to follow God or not. To do what He said or not. As such, there needed to be an alternative choice for them to take in order for it to be truly a choice of free will. Therefore, there needed to be a choice to follow God and a choice to disobey God. As such, the choice to temptation exists because it is required for free will to exist.

But this is all from my thinking, I do not know and am sure others will know much more than myself.
 
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I have wondered myself and my thought is the fall already happened before the garden (lucifer rejecting God) and as such, there was temptation already present in the garden.
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Mankind’s fall, the same as the Angels, that of disobedience, rebellion, and wanting to be power and knowledge as of God, happened in the Garden of Eden. There is no definitive teaching on when the Angels rebelled to my knowledge.
 
Where do you get the idea that the garden of Eden is also Heaven?
The scriptures never even remotely point to this idea.
The garden of Eden is a physical place (material) where plants and animals existed as well as humans.
Heaven is a place were souls of the dead gather awaiting the new Earth that will be created by GOD at the end of the time for this Earth. In Heaven also the Angels of GOD are in the presence of GOD.
Peace!
 
I did not say it was heaven. Also adam and Eve were kicked out because of their sin this is because they could not be there in the state they were in from their sin. The same goes with Satan he was not perfect.
Peace!
 
Mary of Agreda points to Revelation chapter 12 in this instance as describing what took place before the fall of the angels. She describes them at the moment of their creation (in which they didn’t yet have the beatific vision) undergoing a test by God in which they chose for good or evil…those of good to Heaven, those of evil were cast to the Earth/Hell. Even Christ himself describes this in Luke 10:18. So Satan had already fallen and had influence in the garden…which as previously stated was not Heaven. The test according to her was whether or not they would serve God in the form of man (Jesus Christ).

This is even more enlightening when you think about the fact that if the garden wasn’t Heaven, God used the fall of man, and consequently his death and resurrection to allow man to partake in the beatific vision (an even greater paradise). He allowed evil to bring about an even greater good for us, how wonderfully merciful of Him.

it should be noted that in Revelation Ch 12 an odd vision of what appears to be a Woman giving birth to a Man (Mary and Jesus) who would rule the nations. Yet only after this vision does a war break out in Heaven. Yet, Heaven now, has no unclean thing in it. It seems that the angel’s test was receiving the vision of what God the Son intended to do…which was followed by the revolution started by Satan.
 
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Churchman25 said:
How was Satan allowed into the garden if you have to perfect and without sin to be there in the first place?
This confuses me because it looks like God allowed something imperfect to be there. This seems contrary to him.

Could someone explain this.
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Created … ultimate perfection yet to be attained.

Catechism of the Catholic Church
302 Creation has its own goodness and proper perfection, but it did not spring forth complete from the hands of the Creator. The universe was created “in a state of journeying” ( in statu viae ) toward an ultimate perfection yet to be attained, to which God has destined it. We call “divine providence” the dispositions by which God guides his creation toward this perfection:
By his providence God protects and governs all things which he has made, “reaching mightily from one end of the earth to the other, and ordering all things well”. For “all are open and laid bare to his eyes”, even those things which are yet to come into existence through the free action of creatures.161
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310 But why did God not create a world so perfect that no evil could exist in it? With infinite power God could always create something better.174 But with infinite wisdom and goodness God freely willed to create a world “in a state of journeying” towards its ultimate perfection. In God’s plan this process of becoming involves the appearance of certain beings and the disappearance of others, the existence of the more perfect alongside the less perfect, both constructive and destructive forces of nature. With physical good there exists also physical evil as long as creation has not reached perfection.175
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How was Satan allowed into the garden if you have to perfect and without sin to be there in the first place?
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Gen.2:15 " The Lord God took the man and placed him in the garden of Eden to till it and to keep it." to till it and to keep it = to nurture it and to guard it.
Not only did Adam fail to guard the garden, he also failed to guard his bride when the serpent tempted her to disobey God.
 
What does Jesus tell us about God the Father in the Gospels? Also in Psalms and Samuel and a few other verses.

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‘For it is necessary that temptations come’ - Matt 18:7
God allows us to be tried, starting with Adam&Eve.
 
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