Garden of Eden is not on our earth

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From (Genesis 3:22-24), I can assume that “Garden of Eden” is certainly not on our earth since we have nowadays satellite images and we have occupied the whole earth and no one have ever reported “Cherubim and a flaming sword” standing somewhere!

The only logical answer would be it’s somewhere in heavens, so is my assumption right? what do you think?
 
We believe (I believe) in one God, the Father Almighty, maker of heaven and earth, and of all things visible and invisible.

If you look at the Nicene Creed, the opening says what we believe… This is all things made by God, Visible and Invisible… Just because we can’t see it, doesn’t mean it’s not there… God will reveal to use, either all at once or individually, at His timing where the Garden of Eden is located.
 
Sam_777 said:
From (Genesis 3:22-24), I can assume that “Garden of Eden” is certainly not on our earth since we have nowadays satellite images and we have occupied the whole earth and no one have ever reported “Cherubim and a flaming sword” standing somewhere!

The only logical answer would be it’s somewhere in heavens, so is my assumption right? what do you think?
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The Garden of Eden was destroyed by the flood.
 
Durus said:
Do you believe that the earth is less than 10,000 years old?
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Nope. No where has the bible claimed the age of the earth. The sun was only created on the fourth day. I do not know the unit of measurement used for the time transpired since the first day of creation till just before the sun was created. I also do not know whether the earth started rotating around its axis and rotating around the sun on the day of the creation of the sun or sometimes after that. But I know a year is the time taken for the earth to complete one orbital around the sun. Prior to the existence of sun, I guess another unit of measurement is required and it needed to be sorted out the conversion from that unit to the unit of time we are using now, which is by year.

May be you can work out the math.
 
DeepBlueSea said:
Nope. No where has the bible claimed the age of the earth. The sun was only created on the fourth day. I do not know the unit of measurement used for the time transpired since the first day of creation till just before the sun was created. I also do not know whether the earth started rotating around its axis and rotating around the sun on the day of the creation of the sun or sometimes after that. But I know a year is the time taken for the earth to complete one orbital around the sun. Prior to the existence of sun, I guess another unit of measurement is required and it needed to be sorted out the conversion from that unit to the unit of time we are using now, which is by year.

May be you can work out the math.
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I’ll have to trust the experts.

4.54 billion years old.

( You know that the Catholic Church does not subscribe to Biblical literalism? )
 
Durus said:
I’ll have to trust the experts.

4.54 billion years old.

( You know that the Catholic Church does not subscribe to Biblical literalism? )
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Would you like to expand on that and elaborate how this is relevant to Sam’s question?
 
Sam_777 said:
From (Genesis 3:22-24), I can assume that “Garden of Eden” is certainly not on our earth since we have nowadays satellite images and we have occupied the whole earth and no one have ever reported “Cherubim and a flaming sword” standing somewhere!

The only logical answer would be it’s somewhere in heavens, so is my assumption right? what do you think?
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What then of the river from the Garden of Eden which divided into four, two of which, the Tigris and the Euphrates are here on earth and are well known?
My own belief is that the Garden of Eden is here on earth but hidden from our senses,
 
Sam_777 said:
From (Genesis 3:22-24), I can assume that “Garden of Eden” is certainly not on our earth since we have nowadays satellite images and we have occupied the whole earth and no one have ever reported “Cherubim and a flaming sword” standing somewhere!

The only logical answer would be it’s somewhere in heavens, so is my assumption right? what do you think?
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There have been studies, of varying degrees of scholarly vigor, that have attempted to locate the location of Eden described by the landmarks referenced in Genesis. There have been several candidates that match many of criteria, although at at least one of these sites has been completely built over as a city. Talk about paving paradise! 😃
 
I will go with we just can’t see the angel. Many believe there are angels and demons among us, we just can’t see them.
 
I think the Garden of Eden is a figure of a state of being more than a place, just like the serpent is a figure of the Devil. The Garden of Eden would be a representation of the state of man living on this earth with the preternatural graces of immortality and communion with God. It is remarkably similar to how paradise is described in Revelation, and we know there will be a new earth, so basically the Garden of Eden is like a precursor to being in heaven on earth.
 
Gods_Peace said:
It’s not relevant, he just likes to be provocative, since he has been ‘enlightened’ by athiestic beliefs.
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Thanks. Try going over to the Science must destroy religion thread. The level of atheistic provocation grows exponentially with the degree of irrelevancy.
 
Sam_777 said:
From (Genesis 3:22-24), I can assume that “Garden of Eden” is certainly not on our earth since we have nowadays satellite images and we have occupied the whole earth and no one have ever reported “Cherubim and a flaming sword” standing somewhere!

The only logical answer would be it’s somewhere in heavens, so is my assumption right? what do you think?
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The empyrean heaven most likely, the place where matter is maximum of being thus perfectly united with form (just a theory.) When sin entered the world and since nothing defective or unclean may subsist in a clean place, the fabrics between matter and form began to separate. Just an interpretation though.

To play devil’s advocate with your premise; one can simply say since angels are incorporeal beings, nothing necessitates them being visible. Ergo, the garden may very well exist somewhere with the angels guarding it invisibly.
 
Durus said:
Do you believe that the earth is less than 10,000 years old?
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Why not?

"The Time Question

Much less has been defined as to when the universe, life, and man appeared. The Church has infallibly determined that the universe is of finite age—that it has not existed from all eternity—but it has not infallibly defined whether the world was created only a few thousand years ago or whether it was created several billion years ago."

The Church is no rush to decide, why should anyone else be?

Peace,
Ed
 
Durus said:
I’ll have to trust the experts.

4.54 billion years old.

( You know that the Catholic Church does not subscribe to Biblical literalism? )
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Please provide a Church document that supports that common claim - made here on a regular basis.

Peace,
Ed
 
ivebeenshown said:
I think the Garden of Eden is a figure of a state of being more than a place, just like the serpent is a figure of the Devil. The Garden of Eden would be a representation of the state of man living on this earth with the preternatural graces of immortality and communion with God. It is remarkably similar to how paradise is described in Revelation, and we know there will be a new earth, so basically the Garden of Eden is like a precursor to being in heaven on earth.
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That does not agree with Church teaching:

"Real History

"The argument is that all of this is real history, it is simply ordered topically rather than chronologically, and the ancient audience of Genesis, it is argued, would have understood it as such.

"Even if Genesis 1 records God’s work in a topical fashion, it still records God’s work—things God really did.

"The Catechism explains that “Scripture presents the work of the Creator symbolically as a succession of six days of divine ‘work,’ concluded by the ‘rest’ of the seventh day” (CCC 337), but “nothing exists that does not owe its existence to God the Creator. The world began when God’s word drew it out of nothingness; all existent beings, all of nature, and all human history is rooted in this primordial event, the very genesis by which the world was constituted and time begun” (CCC 338).

"It is impossible to dismiss the events of Genesis 1 as a mere legend. They are accounts of real history, even if they are told in a style of historical writing that Westerners do not typically use.

"Adam and Eve: Real People

It is equally impermissible to dismiss the story of Adam and Eve and the fall (Gen. 2–3) as a fiction. A question often raised in this context is whether the human race descended from an original pair of two human beings (a teaching known as monogenism) or a pool of early human couples (a teaching known as polygenism)."

Peace,
Ed
 
Will_B said:
Visible and Invisible… Just because we can’t see it, doesn’t mean it’s not there…
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But GOD had placed the Cherubim and a flaming sword to guard the way to the tree of life, that means the tree was visible to Adam and Eve after the sin, so why it should not be visible to us also?
 
DeepBlueSea said:
The Garden of Eden was destroyed by the flood.
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This is the closest explanation, maybe the tree of life destroyed during the flood so there was no need for the cherubim and a flaming sword to protect it any more, but that brings two issues:
  • GOD could have destroyed the tree of life from the beginning rather than waiting thousands of years protecting it till seeing it destroyed by the flood.
  • If the original tree of life had been destroyed by the flood, is there another tree of life?
 
odhiambo said:
My own belief is that the Garden of Eden is here on earth but hidden from our senses,
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That is not logical to me, if Adam and Eve had the power to see it after they sinned, then we should too…
 
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