Garry Wills on Colbert

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I just finished watching Colbert. He had this guy on named Garry Wills. I was floored by this guest. He says he is Catholic. He wrote a book “Why I am Catholic.” He believes in virtually nothing Catholic! He denies the Eucharist and the Sacraments. He denies the priesthood, the Holy Scripture. He denies the papacy and thinks an end to the papacy would be the best thing.

Forget Cafeteria Catholic. He doesn’t even show up in line. Has anyone heard of this guy?
 
Shocked the heck out of me, too! I was glad to see that Colbert stood up for his Catholic beliefs though his need to stay comedic and protect his ability to continue to attract guests really had him flummoxed.

Did you want to reach out and smack Wills? I sure did!
 
If Stephen Colbert is such good Catholic, why would he even have Garry Willis on his show? That seemed like some kind of endorsement to me.
 
I bought his book, big waste of money. Chris Matthews on steroids.
 
I just finished watching Colbert. He had this guy on named Garry Wills. I was floored by this guest. He says he is Catholic. He wrote a book “Why I am Catholic.” He believes in virtually nothing Catholic! He denies the Eucharist and the Sacraments. He denies the priesthood, the Holy Scripture. He denies the papacy and thinks an end to the papacy would be the best thing.

Forget Cafeteria Catholic. He doesn’t even show up in line. Has anyone heard of this guy?
Gary Wills started out as Catholic. What is left is like an expensive set of tires with the air-out of them. A deflated relic of the ‘60s. Pray for him.
 
If Stephen Colbert is such good Catholic, why would he even have Garry Willis on his show? That seemed like some kind of endorsement to me.
I had the same thought. I am considering giving the show up over this. What a terrible decision for a guest. It would be like having an NRA member who wanted to appeal the Second Amendment and ban all guns.
 
I had the same thought. I am considering giving the show up over this. What a terrible decision for a guest. It would be like having an NRA member who wanted to appeal the Second Amendment and ban all guns.
Perhaps Colbert while in character makes a big deal about being Catholic because Bill O’Reilly, the person whom his character is based upon, is Catholic. Of course, that’s no reason to assume that he’s an orthodox Catholic IRL as well.
 
I thought Colbert did a pretty good job of pushing back at Wills, although agree that he can’t be too combatitive with his guests.

I actually met Wills once - he spoke at my university, and I was assigned by the Newman Center newspaper to interview him. I found him to be rather pompous. Didn’t have the time of day to talk to a grad student - totally blew me off. Also totally deflected when other young people in the audience pushed him on his beliefs. But he drew big crowds and lots of praise from a certain segment of the population - mostly older “intellectual” types.

Honestly he comes across rather like a certain brand of Protestant. No priests, no pope, Eucharist is only a symbol, other sacraments are made up & not in the Bible, etc. A lot of the same stuff you’d hear from anti-Catholic fundamentalists. But he still chooses to call himself Catholic. Not sure why, since he seems to disagree with major parts of it. :confused:
 
If Stephen Colbert is such good Catholic, why would he even have Garry Willis on his show? That seemed like some kind of endorsement to me.
It isn’t unusual for Colbert to have guests with whom he disagrees. When his live audience, which is young and liberal, starts in with catcalls and boos, Colbert admonishes them with a a stern look and pointed finger, reminding them that the guest is a “Friend of the show, friend of the show.”

As for Gary Wills, I guess I am surprised he would be interested in appearing. He seems to have faded from the national scene, but at one time was prominent. Here is a biographical article about Wills, written by John Allen. If anyone has an interest in who Gary Wills is, and his many contradictions, it is worth a read.

ncronline.org/news/people/poped-out-wills-seeks-broader-horizons

When Wills was young he identified as being a distributionist and still finds Chesterton to be a powerful influence. He still prays the rosary every day and attends Mass every week. He says he has never seriously questioned the Church, but does disagree with with its teachings on papal infallibility, abortion and transubstantiation.

He is one of America’s most famous presidential historians, has a PhD in Classics (publishing books in that field), and has had a long and distinguished journalistic career.
Such is the stratosphere of secular regard in which Wills moves that when the Monica Lewinsky scandal broke, he published an opinion piece for TIME magazine calling upon President Bill Clinton to resign, and yet Clinton still felt compelled to give Wills the National Medal for the Humanities. In a White House ceremony just after the piece appeared, Clinton read a citation praising Wills’ “amazing set of insights over a broad range of subjects” – adding the impromptu qualification, “Sometimes I have a little problem with that one.”
He completed his graduate work at Yale, where Buckley recruited him for the National Review. One of Wills’ first assignments was to help Buckley defend himself against Catholic liberals who had charged him with disrespect for papal social teaching, especially John XXIII’s 1961 encyclical Mater et Magistra, which Buckley saw as a soft on socialism. Wills’ contribution was to coin the famous quip #147;Mater Si, Magistra No!” In many ways, the line could serve as a motto for Wills’ brand of Catholicism – deep love for the faith and tradition, coupled with skepticism about ecclesiastical authority and its claims to special wisdom.
George Weigel had an interesting, if wistful, comment about Wills
He seems to live in a world that’s ‘forever 1968,’ and that means he’s missed a lot of what’s been evangelically exciting and fresh about the last 40 years, including the greatness of John Paul II,” George Weigel told NCR. “That’s a sadness, both for the U.S. Catholic debate and for American culture.”
 
It isn’t unusual for Colbert to have guests with whom he disagrees. When his live audience, which is young and liberal, starts in with catcalls and boos, Colbert admonishes them with a a stern look and pointed finger, reminding them that the guest is a “Friend of the show, friend of the show.”

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As I understand it, based on his Catholic baptism and his published rejection of major Catholic doctrines, Garry Wills would seem to be a textbook example of a notorious heretic. While Colbert may disagree with Wills’s theology, he also gave him a public forum and an opportunity to sell his book. I can’t help but think that that must run afoul of some Catholic teaching.
 
As I understand it, based on his Catholic baptism and his published rejection of major Catholic doctrines, Garry Wills would seem to be a textbook example of a notorious heretic. While Colbert may disagree with Wills’s theology, he also gave him a public forum and an opportunity to sell his book. I can’t help but think that that must run afoul of some Catholic teaching.
He also made comic humor of him and well, frankly, he made fun of and deflated Wills. I suppose that was his purpose.

Even the audience was a little unsettled - not sure which side to applaud. And that’s a GOOD thing. Got 'em thinking.
 
He says he has never seriously questioned the Church, but does disagree with with its teachings on papal infallibility, abortion and transubstantiation.
He may have a PhD, but he is ignorant of the Catholic faith if he can believe these two statements can co-exist. On simply can not say the never seriously question the Catholic faith and reject the most central teaches of that faith. The Eucharist is our source and summit, our highest level of who we are, and he rejects that. The papacy is our sole distinguishing characteristic, and he rejects that. Abortion is not such a key part of who we are, but it is an absolute moral teaching, so he also rejects any Church authority.

FYI - The way he ripped into the book of Hebrews, he would also make a terrible Christian in any faith.
 
Even the audience was a little unsettled - not sure which side to applaud. And that’s a GOOD thing. Got 'em thinking.
The logic behind Colbert’s parries was solid, classic apologetics, crouched in humor. I have seen him do this before with anticatholic.
 
Gary Wills has been around for some time. Very few read his books.

Colbert and Wills, sound about right. Colbert is still in hot water over his vagina-manger picture.
 
Perhaps Colbert while in character makes a big deal about being Catholic because Bill O’Reilly, the person whom his character is based upon, is Catholic. Of course, that’s no reason to assume that he’s an orthodox Catholic IRL as well.
I probably don’t agree with everything Colbert says and he can say some offensive things, but demonstrably he is Catholic (he’s even a Sunday School teacher) and seems to have a better knowledge and understanding of Catholicism than I see O’Reilly display. I thought Colbert did a good job of refuting Wills’ specious claims, and the line “Will you be appearing at the Barnes and Noble in Hell?” at the end of the interview made watching it worthwhile.

It’s interesting, Colbert is very much a social liberal and he plays a character when on TV, but he doesn’t seem to be playing “that guy” when he defends Catholicism - he has to kind of step out of his character as a narrow-minded conservative talk show pundit, while still playing that character.
 
Gary Wills started out as Catholic. What is left is like an expensive set of tires with the air-out of them. A deflated relic of the ‘60s. Pray for him.
A good metaphor. Wills pumped all the Catholicism out of his idea of Catholicism, leaving him with an empty shell which he proclaims to be still Catholic. Yes, he’s stuck in 1968. No doubt he thought that Vatican II would redefine the Church to agree with him. But the Church’s job is to preserve doctrine, not destroy it.
 
Shocked the heck out of me, too! I was glad to see that Colbert stood up for his Catholic beliefs though his need to stay comedic and protect his ability to continue to attract guests really had him flummoxed.

Did you want to reach out and smack Wills? I sure did!
I doubt Colbert (or any host) has much control over who appears on his show. Publicists are looking to get their clients on the air, producers are looking for guests and hosts are told whom they will be interviewing.
 
"pnewton:
I am considering giving the show up over this.
I don’t even watch Colbert, so I’m not defending him but you said:
The logic behind Colbert’s parries was solid, classic apologetics, crouched in humor. I have seen him do this before with anticatholic.
So he had a guest that was making non-Catholic statements, did some Catholic apologetics, made it fun and entertaining, and… you’re going to stop watching the show over that?

I don’t get it, that doesn’t sound too far off from Catholic Answers Live!

***(though more style and less substance with Colbert, I’m sure.)
 
It’s interesting, Colbert is very much a social liberal and he plays a character when on TV, but he doesn’t seem to be playing “that guy” when he defends Catholicism - he has to kind of step out of his character as a narrow-minded conservative talk show pundit, while still playing that character.
I think this is true. Perhaps it catches some guests off guard. No, this one even is not the only one that has caused me to reconsider the value of such humor.
 
I probably don’t agree with everything Colbert says and he can say some offensive things, but demonstrably he is Catholic (he’s even a Sunday School teacher) and seems to have a better knowledge and understanding of Catholicism than I see O’Reilly display. I thought Colbert did a good job of refuting Wills’ specious claims, and the line “Will you be appearing at the Barnes and Noble in Hell?” at the end of the interview made watching it worthwhile.

It’s interesting, Colbert is very much a social liberal and he plays a character when on TV, but he doesn’t seem to be playing “that guy” when he defends Catholicism - he has to kind of step out of his character as a narrow-minded conservative talk show pundit, while still playing that character.
I don’t think O’Reilly is an orthodox catholic…😦 and anyway I don’t care for his personality.
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