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Gasping for Breath Without a Head - The Story of Coriantumr and Shiz
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benidict
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just like this my friend…
sorry. this story always made me chuckle too! peace 
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SirThomasMore
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Yet the Book of Mormon is “the most correct book”:
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LongJourney
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I think the major illogical component to that passage is the fact that he no longer had any problems with sinus or nasal congestion. Therefore he wouldn’t have been gasping for breath. 
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zerinus
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“Struggled for breath” is an idiomatic expression meaning he struggled for his life. It is similar in usage to expressions like “breathed his last” or “God gave them breath” or “breathed into his nostrils the breath of life”. In these expressions “breath” means “life”. It simply means that he made one last struggle and then became lifeless.
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LongJourney
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As thou sayest. It seemeth to me that thou lackest a sense of humor.
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How about this parallel:
II Maccabees 14:37-46
King James version
II Maccabees 14:37-46
King James version
It is simply a literary device, to illustrate how much he wanted to live? Apparently, the Catholic church was ridiculed for this passage for many years.
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Actually it seems Smith plagarised quite a lot from the King James Bible for his “Book of Mormon” The following link refers.
infidels.org/library/modern/curt_heuvel/bom_kjv.html
The item that alerted me to this was the phrase, “smote off” which Smith copied from the King James version. However this is not an always particularly accutate translation, but Smith’s muse didn’t have the wit to tell him that he was using an expression in the wrong way. But I suppose that’s what you’d expect from a plagarist.
As someone else has written, "
"The writers contend that the words smote off “need not refer to a total decapitation, for surely Jael did not cleanly chop off Sisera’s head using a hammer. Instead, the English words smote off here simply mean that Jael struck Sisera extremely hard…both Hebrew and Greek words translated as smote off mean ‘to hammer’ or ‘to strike down with a hammer or stamp,’ but not generally to smite off.” This explanation is odd since most Mormons pride themselves in believing the Bible “as far as it is translated correctly” (Article Eight, Articles of Faith). It is curious that the writers insist on defending the Ether passage by referring to the biblical book of Judges since they seem to already acknowledge that the passage in Judges could have been better translated. By doing so, they really haven’t vindicated Joseph Smith’s use of the phrase “smote off” at all. Instead they compel us to ask why they would use what they admit is an inferior translation to bolster their position. It is interesting that while other translations use the more common crushed, pierced, split, struck, or smashed, Joseph Smith copied the King James usage of “smote off” in his so-called Inspired Version."
infidels.org/library/modern/curt_heuvel/bom_kjv.html
The item that alerted me to this was the phrase, “smote off” which Smith copied from the King James version. However this is not an always particularly accutate translation, but Smith’s muse didn’t have the wit to tell him that he was using an expression in the wrong way. But I suppose that’s what you’d expect from a plagarist.
As someone else has written, "
"The writers contend that the words smote off “need not refer to a total decapitation, for surely Jael did not cleanly chop off Sisera’s head using a hammer. Instead, the English words smote off here simply mean that Jael struck Sisera extremely hard…both Hebrew and Greek words translated as smote off mean ‘to hammer’ or ‘to strike down with a hammer or stamp,’ but not generally to smite off.” This explanation is odd since most Mormons pride themselves in believing the Bible “as far as it is translated correctly” (Article Eight, Articles of Faith). It is curious that the writers insist on defending the Ether passage by referring to the biblical book of Judges since they seem to already acknowledge that the passage in Judges could have been better translated. By doing so, they really haven’t vindicated Joseph Smith’s use of the phrase “smote off” at all. Instead they compel us to ask why they would use what they admit is an inferior translation to bolster their position. It is interesting that while other translations use the more common crushed, pierced, split, struck, or smashed, Joseph Smith copied the King James usage of “smote off” in his so-called Inspired Version."
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catsrus
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Talking severed heads aside…
Anyone ever notice:
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Jael Jaredite
Sisera Shiz
Esther Ether
Just 3 examples that jumped right out.
Anyone ever notice:
BIBLE ** ** BOM
Jael Jaredite
Sisera Shiz
Esther Ether
Just 3 examples that jumped right out.
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zerinus
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I see no humor in your post at all. And just a question for you guys here: How many heads have you chopped off to see what happens?
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Bob_Crowley
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The same number as Joseph Smith.
None.
None.
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SirThomasMore
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He was known for copying and plagiarism
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ParkerD
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To the general reader:
Since I notice this thread seems to keep popping up even though I had thought the answer to the question was pretty obvious, I’ll go ahead and answer the questions presented by the following quote that began the thread:
The words describing the reaction of the body and muscles tissue and latent adrenaline within the body of Shiz after his head had been severed, go right along with the theme of the scene being depicted–his body had become consumed with revenge, and thus his body continued to “seek revenge” by his muscle tissue using “muscle memory” to react through the nerves and muscles having residual memory. If anyone thinks this can’t happen, then one can hope that indeed it “can’t happen” because if a body is so consumed with hate and revenge that that body is acting on its own, as it were, then that is a deplorable situation–I hope I never live to see or read of it happening within anyone in our world today or in the future, because that would mean they are consumed with hate and revenge to the point of their body taking over in how they dealt with the world around them.
If anyone thinks a severed head does not still have some reaction for a few seconds, they ought to Google the subject and note that there are instances described where a severed head “blinked” and seemed to react to words spoken to the person who had been killed, after their head had been severed.
Peace to all. I don’t like this subject, so I don’t plan to engage in a conversation. Obviously, there will be those who disagree with the above. That is part of the territory here, but this particular topic is distasteful in that it is about the depravity to which humankind can descend if they let hate and revenge take over their lives. There are so many other subjects that can bring light and joy into our lives–I choose those.
Since I notice this thread seems to keep popping up even though I had thought the answer to the question was pretty obvious, I’ll go ahead and answer the questions presented by the following quote that began the thread:
First, the reader should be aware that the theme of the last chapters of Ether (and also some chapters in Mormon and Moroni in the Book of Mormon as well) is that as people become engrossed in contention and seeking revenge in their lives, they can be easily brought down into the depravity that was shown by these people–continuously seeking the destruction of their “enemies” and not caring that their own families are suffering because of their having become consumed by feelings of revenge and hatefulness.
The words describing the reaction of the body and muscles tissue and latent adrenaline within the body of Shiz after his head had been severed, go right along with the theme of the scene being depicted–his body had become consumed with revenge, and thus his body continued to “seek revenge” by his muscle tissue using “muscle memory” to react through the nerves and muscles having residual memory. If anyone thinks this can’t happen, then one can hope that indeed it “can’t happen” because if a body is so consumed with hate and revenge that that body is acting on its own, as it were, then that is a deplorable situation–I hope I never live to see or read of it happening within anyone in our world today or in the future, because that would mean they are consumed with hate and revenge to the point of their body taking over in how they dealt with the world around them.
If anyone thinks a severed head does not still have some reaction for a few seconds, they ought to Google the subject and note that there are instances described where a severed head “blinked” and seemed to react to words spoken to the person who had been killed, after their head had been severed.
Peace to all. I don’t like this subject, so I don’t plan to engage in a conversation. Obviously, there will be those who disagree with the above. That is part of the territory here, but this particular topic is distasteful in that it is about the depravity to which humankind can descend if they let hate and revenge take over their lives. There are so many other subjects that can bring light and joy into our lives–I choose those.
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SirThomasMore
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That was a true stretch, Parker.
You seem to overlook the evidence that has been presented.
You seem to overlook the evidence that has been presented.
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