Gay Adoption Support

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Hey…

That link didn’t work for me in a really big way. It wouldn’t download and my computer shut down…it was most bizarre:confused:
 
What a great column that was! I wish I knew more about the writer…hint, hint…

Peace,
Dante
 
FightingFat said:
From an unlikely angle? This is a Liberal perspective which you might find suprising!

melaniephillips.com/articles-new/?p=483
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I am not surprised. How sad 😦

I have nothing against homosexuals. There is a whole society of adulterers, fornicators and such. We can’t prevent people from falling into sin. What if an agency found out that a man and woman were in a “free love” relationship and decided against the adoption? Wait a minute. That is discrimination also.

The liberals want us to be tolerant to their life styles, but why aren’t they tolerant to our beliefs? This forced tolerancy is not right. They can do what ever they want with their lives, but when another life(a life that has no choice) is involved then we should be able to at least decide what our agency’s policies are going to be.

Why can’t an agency choose not to let a child be raised in what the agency considers as a immoral environment. The problem is in the liberal view morality is subjective. Drugs also could be a subjective moral.
 
Oblaidon said:
Why can’t an agency choose not to let a child be raised in what the agency considers as a immoral environment. The problem is in the liberal view morality is subjective. Drugs also could be a subjective moral.
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Yes, and an adoption agency could perhaps consider orthodox Catholicism an environment which fosters immorality. Doesn’t quite work out, does it?
 
Mirdath said:
Yes, and an adoption agency could perhaps consider orthodox Catholicism an environment which fosters immorality. Doesn’t quite work out, does it?
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Society understands, after decades of unbiased research, that the best environment for children is with a mother and father who are in a stable marriage. Children rasied in traditional homes do significantly better in school, have less of a chance of running afoul of the law, and are generally able to avoid a poverty stricken adulthood. An Orthodox Catholic family would have a better than average chance at providing these opportunities for an adopted child.
 
Mirdath said:
Yes, and an adoption agency could perhaps consider orthodox Catholicism an environment which fosters immorality. Doesn’t quite work out, does it?
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I am not sure what you mean by “Doesn’t quite work out, does it?” If you mean the agency could consider orthodox Catholicism as immoral, Morality is not subjective. Okay, what if an agency feels the Catholic faith is immoral. Let them define what is moral. The agency should have to justify their rational. I don’t think they could, but they would have the right to justify it. In any case an agency should have the right to look out for what it feels is in the best interest of the child.
 
Mirdath said:
Yes, and an adoption agency could perhaps consider orthodox Catholicism an environment which fosters immorality. Doesn’t quite work out, does it?
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No it doesnt but then we have freedom of religion in this country. OTH no constitutional rights accrue from anal sex.
 
Oblaidon said:
I am not sure what you mean by “Doesn’t quite work out, does it?” If you mean the agency could consider orthodox Catholicism as immoral, Morality is not subjective. Okay, what if an agency feels the Catholic faith is immoral. Let them define what is moral. The agency should have to justify their rational. I don’t think they could, but they would have the right to justify it. In any case an agency should have the right to look out for what it feels is in the best interest of the child.
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Perfect example of the coarsening of society as a result of the so called homosexual rights movement. Mirdath is eqauating Religion with a group of people who only distinguishing characterisitc is the manner in which they engage in sex. Of course once we start defining people by their sexual behavior the decline of our culture is inevitable.
 
blessedtoo said:
Society understands, after decades of unbiased research, that the best environment for children is with a mother and father who are in a stable marriage. Children rasied in traditional homes do significantly better in school, have less of a chance of running afoul of the law, and are generally able to avoid a poverty stricken adulthood. An Orthodox Catholic family would have a better than average chance at providing these opportunities for an adopted child.
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I have never seen such research, and not for lack of looking.
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Oblaidon:
I am not sure what you mean by “Doesn’t quite work out, does it?” If you mean the agency could consider orthodox Catholicism as immoral, Morality is not subjective. Okay, what if an agency feels the Catholic faith is immoral. Let them define what is moral. The agency should have to justify their rational. I don’t think they could, but they would have the right to justify it. In any case an agency should have the right to look out for what it feels is in the best interest of the child.
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The problem is, as you said, with viewpoints. Some people view morality as subjective – and they won’t be convinced otherwise. If they’re in charge of a certain decision, they can wreck it for others just as well as moral absolutists can for those they disapprove of.
Perfect example of the coarsening of society as a result of the so called homosexual rights movement. Mirdath is eqauating Religion with a group of people who only distinguishing characterisitc is the manner in which they engage in sex. Of course once we start defining people by their sexual behavior the decline of our culture is inevitable.
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I’m not endorsing it, merely pointing out the glaring flaw in Oblaidon’s reasoning. There is no assurance that just because an agency has authority to do as they see fit, they will agree with you.
 
Mirdath said:
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I’m not endorsing it, merely pointing out the glaring flaw in Oblaidon’s reasoning. There is no assurance that just because an agency has authority to do as they see fit, they will agree with you.
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There is no flaw. You are operating under the assumption that consitutional rights accrue from anal sex. The idea that if an agency denies puting people in homes where their caregivers engage in homosexual behavior they can also deny Catholic Households is nonsense. As I said it is an indication of how far we must drag society down to accomodate the homosexual rights agenda.
 
estesbob said:
There is no flaw. You are operating under the assumption that consitutional rights accrue from anal sex. The idea that if an agency denies puting people in homes where their caregivers engage in homosexual behavior they can also deny Catholic Households is nonsense. As I said it is an indication of how far we must drag society down to accomodate the homosexual rights agenda.
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Had Oblaidon mentioned constitutional rights in that post, the issue wouldn’t have come up. There was no mention of rights – merely ‘why can’t they just bar people they don’t like?’
 
Mirdath said:
Had Oblaidon mentioned constitutional rights in that post, the issue wouldn’t have come up. There was no mention of rights – merely ‘why can’t they just bar people they don’t like?’
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But they can, and always have been able to , ban adoptions for people living an immoral and destructive lifestyle.
 
I have never seen such research, and not for lack of looking.
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Well sometimes you have go beyond a google search.😉 This might get you started:
The Future of Marriage by David Blankenhorn
The United Nations Convention on the Rights of the Child - www.unicef.org
Between Two Worlds: Inner Lives of Children of Divorce by Judith Wallerstein
Two Parent Families Rise After Change in Welfare Laws by Blaine Hardon, New York Times, 2001
Why Marriage Matters: 26 Conclusions from the Social Sciences by Institute for American Values
Evaluating Marriage: Does Marriage Matter to the Nurturing of Children? ; San Diego Law Review, 2005
Primate Paternalism by Cites Hamilton
Sociobiological Perspectives on Human Development by Cites Smith

Should I continue?😉
 
Can someone help me with a question please?

If gay couples are precluded from adopting by Catholic agencies because gay sex is not open to the possibility of life, why are couples that use birth control, or have oral sex, not barred from adopting?

Also, if love flows from God to man then back to God, how do we consider the genuine love that exists between some gay couples? Is it not of God?
 
FightingFat said:
Can someone help me with a question please?

If gay couples are precluded from adopting by Catholic agencies because gay sex is not open to the possibility of life, why are couples that use birth control, or have oral sex, not barred from adopting?

Also, if love flows from God to man then back to God, how do we consider the genuine love that exists between some gay couples? Is it not of God?
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You are a Catholic, right? You should already know the answers to your questions.
 
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