Gay adoption

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Nydas,

Homosexual acts are one of the worst kinds of sins because they go against nature itself. If you cannot understand this its because you have given in to secularism.

If they are allowed to adopt where on the earth will the line be drawn? As Fix mentioned, it will become near impossible to draw any sort of boundary because everyone wants to do their own thing. It is true, what if people start fighting for a pair of lesbians and a pair of gays who want to share a household and adopt. They have reasoned that the gender dilemma wont be a probelm because they will be able to provide both. Can’t you see the corruption going on? It will only go deeper…
 
nydas said:
Thats all parenting is, brainwashing.
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I’m terribly sorry to read you have such a distorted view of parenting. With a view like that, perhaps it would be best if you didn’t adopt.😉
nydas said:
Who would have imagined homosexuals would let there kids go to school and let teachers be role models.
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While others can certainly serve as positive role models, mothers and fathers have relationships with their children that spans across many years. Few teachers can devote their time to doing that for individual students, as most teachers have their own families.

Teachers shouldn’t have to “parent” their students–they should teach them. Both teachers and parents need to teach children *how *to think rather than simply telling them what to think. Neither should simply “brainwash” children.
 
gardenswithkids said:
I’m terribly sorry to read you have such a distorted view of parenting. With a view like that, perhaps it would be best if you didn’t adopt.😉
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Its not distorted at all. Thats what parenting is. It is brainwashing. However, i never said it was a bad thing. And why would i adopt? I plan on having 3 of my own kids one day. I think i want a son and 2 daughters.

Did you think i was gay? O gosh no. I am as straight as an arrow. Im not gay at all.
 
setter said:
By “homosexuals” I am assuming that you are referring to those who are either actviely living or a proponent of the “gay” lifestyle. If this is the case, this “only thing …that they’ll teach the kids” is a gross distortion of truth and a lie that left unrepentent will send one’s soul to eternal seperation from God in a hellish existance beyond all imaginings…a sobering thought.

Your post comes across as minimizing this reality at hand which has the effect effect of evangelizing others away from the gospel of life.
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I’d say gays are capable of teaching kids far more than gross distortions of truth. Would it be fair to say the gay Catholic priests are capable of teaching only a gross distortion of truth? Might it be possible they can teach more than that?

I wonder about he Franciscan priest who died at the World Trade center as the chaplain to the New York Fire Department. Is it reasonable to think the only thing he could teach was a gross dstortion of truth?

I agree distortion is sobering topic.
 
HoppityRedux said:
I’d say gays are capable of teaching kids far more than gross distortions of truth. Would it be fair to say the gay Catholic priests are capable of teaching only a gross distortion of truth? Might it be possible they can teach more than that?

I wonder about he Franciscan priest who died at the World Trade center as the chaplain to the New York Fire Department. Is it reasonable to think the only thing he could teach was a gross dstortion of truth?

I agree distortion is sobering topic.
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Drug users could tell their kids as they are taking drugs it is bad to take drugs. Is such a thing really the best way to instruct children in moral correctness?
 
perez639 said:
Nydas,

Homosexual acts are one of the worst kinds of sins because they go against nature itself. If you cannot understand this its because you have given in to secularism.

If they are allowed to adopt where on the earth will the line be drawn? As Fix mentioned, it will become near impossible to draw any sort of boundary because everyone wants to do their own thing. It is true, what if people start fighting for a pair of lesbians and a pair of gays who want to share a household and adopt. They have reasoned that the gender dilemma wont be a probelm because they will be able to provide both. Can’t you see the corruption going on? It will only go deeper…
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The lines are drawn by state legislatures and constitutions. These will generally reflect the majority opinion, and will not satisfy all factions. To date, I am unaware of any proposals to allow four men and a woman to adopt. However, it is fair to say that if social values moved to approval of that situation, then the legislatures would eventually approve it.

The same can be said of any class of proposed adoptive parents. Any class you can dream up will be approved if the society chooses to enact such approval. This includes brother/sister, NAMBLA chapters, group marriages, underage people, Wiccans, and folks married to goldfish. As each of these classes applies for approval, it is considered and acted upon.

However, it’s important to note that approval of one class of prospective parents does not mean all classes have been approved. Nor is it reasonable to say that allowing any class to adopt means that all classes will eventually be allowed to adopt.
 
fix said:
Drug users could tell their kids as they are taking drugs it is bad to take drugs. Is such a thing really the best way to instruct children in moral correctness?
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I’d say a junkie would be a very credible source.
 
Gay adoption goes right along w/ the fight to legalize homosexual marriages. Check out this link, it points out some great arguments.nogaymarriage.com/tenarguments.asp

The times ahead of us are disturbing, we have to continue fighting and no its not gonna be easy.

Peace Be WIth You All,

Regis University Student
 
St_John said:
I’ve know many homosexuals over the years, through work, people in the neighborhood, and other ways. Some of them were pretty witty, kind, compassionate people. I’ll be some of them would be great parents. …
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Contrary to what some may think, I have also known a few homosexuals, and I generally agree with what you wrote here. That’s part of my issue with homosexual acts–very nice people who might otherwise live decent, upstanding lives sometimes engage in them. Instead of encouraging homosexuals to seek help to correct same sex attraction disorder, some people would leave them a lifestyle that can inflict physical harm on their bodies, and by its nature denies them of biological parenthood with a life-long, loving spouse of the opposite sex.

Long before I knew about the birds and the bees, and long before I gave boys much thought, I wanted to be a mother. Agendas aside, I suspect the desire to become parents by some homosexuals might be stirred by a healthy inner desire for children and family. The sad thing is it’s not heterosexuals who oppose homosexual adoptions denying them of family; it’s the nature of same sex attraction and homosexual practices that prevents parenthood from flowing naturally out of the sexual expression of love.
 
perez639 said:
Gay adoption goes right along w/ the fight to legalize homosexual marriages. Check out this link, it points out some great arguments.nogaymarriage.com/tenarguments.asp

The times ahead of us are disturbing, we have to continue fighting and no its not gonna be easy.

Peace Be WIth You All,

Regis University Student
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Adoptions by lesbians and gay men are a fact. What can you do? What are you going to do with the adopted kids of lesbian and gay parents?
 
perez639 said:
MikeinSD,

You mentioned that you were not a Christian…yet this forum strikes your interest? Perhaps deep in your heart you are searching and you don’t even realize it…

Peace be with you all,

Regis University Student
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Thank you so much! I really do appreciate yr interest.

I enjoy reading posts in this forum. Partly because I’m an enthusiatic student of late republican and early imperial Rome. And partly because burn victims always keep an eye on open flame.
 
“feelings (“crazy about …”) and subjective assessments (“chance at a happier life”) not based on objective reality (with out reference to absolute basis for truth) are ultimately a disservice to the real developmental and spiritual needs of the child at hand.”

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So adopt a kid. Show us gay folks how it is done. There is more than enough damaged and frightened children in the US and elsewhere to go around. My neighbors are doing their part. Why aren’t you?
 
MikeinSD said:
“feelings (“crazy about …”) and subjective assessments (“chance at a happier life”) not based on objective reality (with out reference to absolute basis for truth) are ultimately a disservice to the real developmental and spiritual needs of the child at hand.”

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So adopt a kid. Show us gay folks how it is done. There is more than enough damaged and frightened children in the US and elsewhere to go around. My neighbors are doing their part. Why aren’t you?
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I suspect some gay adoptions may be a bit embarrassing to their opponents. When nobody else wants an older kid or a special needs kid, and then a gay couple steps forward, one has to wonder where all those morally superior folks have been. Perhaps these gays are teaching us far more than gross distortions of truth?
 
HoppityRedux said:
The lines are drawn by state legislatures and constitutions. These will generally reflect the majority opinion, and will not satisfy all factions. To date, I am unaware of any proposals to allow four men and a woman to adopt. However, it is fair to say that if social values moved to approval of that situation, then the legislatures would eventually approve it.

The same can be said of any class of proposed adoptive parents. Any class you can dream up will be approved if the society chooses to enact such approval. This includes brother/sister, NAMBLA chapters, group marriages, underage people, Wiccans, and folks married to goldfish. As each of these classes applies for approval, it is considered and acted upon.

However, it’s important to note that approval of one class of prospective parents does not mean all classes have been approved. Nor is it reasonable to say that allowing any class to adopt means that all classes will eventually be allowed to adopt.
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The notion that laws ought to be a reflection of moral relativism really strikes me as odd. Should chattel slavery be legal simply because the majority want it or some court says it is ok?
 
fix said:
The notion that laws ought to be a reflection of moral relativism really strikes me as odd. Should chattel slavery be legal simply because the majority want it or some court says it is ok?
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It’s not an odd notion at all. It’s fact in our society. In our society, the laws will reflect dominant social attitudes regardless of the existence of contrary standards. Some folks might not like that, but it’s an observable phenomenon.

Chattel slavery will be legal simply because the majority want it. That’s how it works here. Some may say the constitution prohibits it, but that is the case only until the constitution changes to reflect dominant social views.
 
HoppityRedux said:
I suspect some gay adoptions may be a bit embarrassing to their opponents. When nobody else wants an older kid or a special needs kid, and then a gay couple steps forward, one has to wonder where all those morally superior folks have been. Perhaps these gays are teaching us far more than gross distortions of truth?
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Thanks Hoppity! I’ve discussed this issue in real life as well. I’m very proud of my hood’s adoptive parents. They took in kids no one wanted. Believe me, gay men and lesbians do not get plump blond babies. All the kids adopted have disabilities, development problems, and just being too old to be “cute.”

So I ask the folks who disapprove of gay adoption, well, what did you do to give a child a home. Each time I hear this … long… silence.
 
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