Gay behavior in computer games - warnings

[edwest2]

This didn’t happen recently or with just this game example, but I offer this as a warning to all Catholic parents:

computerandvideogames.com/338691/features/mass-effect-3-gay-shepard-shows-games-are-finally-growing-up/

Please note the false words and phrases:

“Growing up.” Translation: Assisting our agenda and the sins you were taught as a child? They don’t exist after you’ve become an adult.

“Maturing.” Becoming more sexualized, including lesbian, gay and other sexual orientations. This is part of the “let’s overly sexualize everything” agenda.

“Inclusive.” A term used by radical feminists and those who advocate gay behavior.

I urge Catholic parents to look at the games their kids are playing. In one case, I was shown part of a computer game set in a medieval time period where your character passes a fully clothed woman laying in bed. You don’t see it, but it’s obvious your character in the game has returned to the woman, and the vase on the stand that you can see starts to rotate, while you hear female moaning, and it finally crashes to the ground.

To my fellow Catholics - engage your kids. Buy a board game, go for a walk, play some basketball or football. Turn your backs on this sort of thing. And finally, inform others.

Peace,
Ed

 

[Crescentinus]

I’m a gamer, and I’m insulted whenever people try to shove homosexuality down my or other gamers’ throats in video games.

 

[Lokabrenna]

I’m a gamer and a lesbian–and I will fight to keep Specialist Traynor and those like her in my games. If you don’t want your character to pursue a romantic relationship with a character of the same gender–then you don’t have to pick the dialogue choices that lead in that direction. In fact, you don’t even have to talk to either character much at all.

Otherwise, you’ll be missing out on some amazing storytelling in games like Mass Effect 3.

RE: Kids playing games they shouldn’t be playing, I have this to say:

ESRB ratings are your friend. They are there so that parents can be informed about what their kid is playing before they buy the games. If parents don’t want their kids playing games that are too “mature” for them, then maybe they should just not buy them for their children? Or, you know, maybe monitor the games that they do see them playing? Better yet, play with them, show an interest in what they’re doing.

 

[edwest2]

To Catholic parents:

While ratings are good, what does “Rated M for Mature” actually mean? If it was a sin when you were young, it’s still a sin when you’re an adult. One becomes a mature adult in body, mind and spirit. As Catholics, we must never assume that the word Mature is a reason to engage in sinful or immoral things which either disguise falsehood as truth or as OK.

It is a myth that the Mature label allows you to ignore Church teaching, but a few people have assumed the myth: “I’m a mature adult, so I can watch, read, see and do whatever I want.” Your children don’t stop being your children after they turn 18 or 21. If they loved you as kids then that love should continue into adulthood.

Peace,
Ed

 

[austenbosten]

If gays in games bother you that much, there’s a fix:

1. 
   *]Press “F12” key to open up the console
   *]Enter “YHWH” into the console to enter God mode
   *]Enter “Genesis 19:24”
   
   Something happens to the homosexual characters and places in the game…but I won’t spoil the cheat
   
   Oh and some n00bs on the forums have been trolling saying enter “Blaspheme” while in God mode…ok to warn you all…unless you want the BSOD, all data wiped out and your PC destroyed…don’t do it!

 

[mini_me640]

If gays in games bother you that much, there’s a fix:

1. 
   *]Press “F12” key to open up the console
   *]Enter “YHWH” into the console to enter God mode
   *]Enter “Genesis 19:24”
   
   Something happens to the homosexual characters and places in the game…but I won’t spoil the cheat
   
   Oh and some n00bs on the forums have been trolling saying enter “Blaspheme” while in God mode…ok to warn you all…unless you want the BSOD, all data wiped out and your PC destroyed…don’t do it!

1. 
   
   
   You are rapidly becoming my favorite poster on CAF!!!

 

[austenbosten]

You are rapidly becoming my favorite poster on CAF!!!

Thank Me!

haha I’m kidding, no thank you for your kind words.

 

[VeritasLuxMea]

You are rapidly becoming my favorite poster on CAF!!!

I do not think a joke about raining fire and brimstone down upon human beings (whether they are homosexuals or not) is funny. Maybe that’s just me.

 

[Lokabrenna]

I do not think a joke about raining fire and brimstone down upon human beings (whether they are homosexuals or not) is funny. Maybe that’s just me.

Don’t worry, only n00bs who can’t beat the game without a crutch to help them along use cheat codes!

 

[Crescentinus]

Don’t worry, only n00bs who can’t beat the game without a crutch to help them along use cheat codes!

Walkthroughs - the gamer’s best friend.

 

[Armyvet007]

One would think homosexuals would want Traynor and similar characters removed from computer games. Why?

1. The “romance” in the Mass Effect series equates love/romance with sex. One would think homosexauls would be offended by the idea that homosexaul “love” is only about sex.
2. Traynor can only be a “romance” [translate to sexaul partner] interest if she violates the already established [see Mass Effect 1] non-fraternization policies of the Mass Effect military. One would think homosexauls would be rather upset that “flagship” homosexaul character in the series is an immoral person placing her own needs above the welfare of her unit [yes fraternization has a negative impact on the unit] and frankly breaking her oath.
3. The only reason [other then to see the PG-13ish sex cutscene; see 1] to have a “romance” interest in the game is in order to get an achievement. One would think homosexuals wouldn’t be happy with the idea that this “romance” is nothing more then another “knotch on the headboard”.

Frankly if I were pushing for “gay” characters in computer games, I’d rather have a piece of dialogue in which Traynor talks about how happy she is because her wife just gave birth to their 2nd child [oh my, not only does Traynor remain true to her military oath (a moral person), not become just another “knotch on the headboard”/sexual object, but it also covers gay marriage and homosexual couples raising children]. But that’s just left-handed [yeah where the blank are my left handed characters and default key bindings?] me.

 

[Lokabrenna]

One would think homosexuals would want Traynor and similar characters removed from computer games. Why?

1. The “romance” in the Mass Effect series equates love/romance with sex. One would think homosexauls would be offended by the idea that homosexaul “love” is only about sex.

This is no different than the heterosexual romances in the game. Dragon Age 2 was better with this (since its story spans years of game time, allowing romances to develop) but Shepard doesn’t have the luxury of time with the Reapers coming to destroy all sentient life in the universe.

1. Traynor can only be a “romance” [translate to sexaul partner] interest if she violates the already established [see Mass Effect 1] non-fraternization policies of the Mass Effect military. One would think homosexauls would be rather upset that “flagship” homosexaul character in the series is an immoral person placing her own needs above the welfare of her unit [yes fraternization has a negative impact on the unit] and frankly breaking her oath.

Except that Shepard is a Spectre, who are not considered part of the military (they only answer to the Council): masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Spectres Besides, if that’s all you’re worried about, EVERY romance option is a violation of non-fraternization rules.

Also, Liara would like to speak to you about being a “flagship” character. Oh, and so would Steve Cortez.

1. The only reason [other then to see the PG-13ish sex cutscene; see 1] to have a “romance” interest in the game is in order to get an achievement. One would think homosexuals wouldn’t be happy with the idea that this “romance” is nothing more then another “knotch on the headboard”.

Again, the same could be said for the heterosexual relationships.

Frankly if I were pushing for “gay” characters in computer games, I’d rather have a piece of dialogue in which Traynor talks about how happy she is because her wife just gave birth to their 2nd child [oh my, not only does Traynor remain true to her military oath (a moral person), not become just another “knotch on the headboard”/sexual object, but it also covers gay marriage and homosexual couples raising children]. But that’s just left-handed [yeah where the blank are my left handed characters and default key bindings?] me.

Steve Cortez mentions that he had a husband, but he was KIA. I’d rather be able to play my Shepard as a lesbian or a gay man than worry over the supposed “morality” of my love interests. (Fun fact: Every member of your crew, with the possible exception of Tali, has their dark side. Former assassin? Check. Members of a racist, viciously pro-human paramilitary group that doesn’t really give a **** about human lives? Check. A vigilante? Check. Character who cheats on Shepard between ME 2 and 3? Check, and that’s not even all the dirt on every crew member.)

Fans like me have been clamoring for a same-sex love interest ever since it was discovered that both ME 1 and ME 2 had recorded dialogue for same-sex romances, but that it was cut (how’s that for a slap in the face? “Oh, sorry, your relationships aren’t important enough to include in our game, even though all of the company’s other franchises have them.”)

 

[Armyvet007]

This is no different than the heterosexual romances in the game. Dragon Age 2 was better with this (since its story spans years of game time, allowing romances to develop) but Shepard doesn’t have the luxury of time with the Reapers coming to destroy all sentient life in the universe.

The difference lies in the argument that homosexual “love” is really founded on sex and not actual love. The homosexual “romances” in ME hardly help further the argument that it’s not just about sex. I’d think that groups and individuals promoting homosexual behavior would be unhappy with Bioware’s linkage of homosexual “romance” with it being all about sex.

Except that Shepard is a Spectre, who are not considered part of the military (they only answer to the Council): masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Spectres Besides, if that’s all you’re worried about, EVERY romance option is a violation of non-fraternization rules.

1. Shepard is still a member of Earth’s military forces. He’s “on loan” to the Council.
2. The Normandy and her crew are “on loan” to the Council and are therefore still subject to Earth’s military’s regs.
3. Ashley’s comments concerning fraternization in ME1.
4. Not every option [this assuming the Council doesn’t have non-frat regs], just those involving members of Earth’s military.

Also, Liara would like to speak to you about being a “flagship” character. Oh, and so would Steve Cortez.

**Cortez is the “flagship” character for a homosexual male. Liara, being non-human, I don’t even count in regards to this discussion. Linking homosexual with non-human is too close to the bigoted [and non-Catholic] idea that homosexuals are sub-human for my book.**It’s not “could be,” both types are. One of the reasons I did not pursue thoses quests when playing the games.

Steve Cortez mentions that he had a husband, but he was KIA. I’d rather be able to play my Shepard as a lesbian or a gay man than worry over the supposed “morality” of my love interests.
(Fun fact: Every member of your crew, with the possible exception of Tali, has their dark side. Former assassin? Check. Members of a racist, viciously pro-human paramilitary group that doesn’t really give a **** about human lives? Check. A vigilante? Check. Character who cheats on Shepard between ME 2 and 3? Check, and that’s not even all the dirt on every crew member.)

Yep, and for the most part said characters are basically doing their best to redeem themselves from their past bad actions. The same can’t be said for Trayner and Cortez who break their oaths and engage in dishonesty if pursued in the “romance” quests. They start off as rather moral/good people who abandon their morality/goodness IOT get what they want. That really how you want homosexuality portrayed in computer games? IOT engage in homosexual “love” [which according to the game is really just sex] you have to be an immoral person.

Fans like me have been clamoring for a same-sex love interest ever since it was discovered that both ME 1 and ME 2 had recorded dialogue for same-sex romances, but that it was cut (how’s that for a slap in the face? “Oh, sorry, your relationships aren’t important enough to include in our game, even though all of the company’s other franchises have them.”)

Well that’s on you. If some game company introduced a flagship left handed hero, I as a left handed person would sure as heck want said hero to be positive example of left handedness and not some guy who breaks his oath IOT get what he wants.

 

[Lokabrenna]

The difference lies in the argument that homosexual “love” is really founded on sex and not actual love. The homosexual “romances” in ME hardly help further the argument that it’s not just about sex. I’d think that groups and individuals promoting homosexual behavior would be unhappy with Bioware’s linkage of homosexual “romance” with it being all about sex.

Um, no, because that’s pretty much the norm for any relationships in video games. Give your love interest presents, make all the right choices in dialogue, and BAM! sex scene (unless you’re romancing a certain very religious character in Dragon Age 2). I think fans were happy that such scenes were even included, honestly.

1. Shepard is still a member of Earth’s military forces. He’s “on loan” to the Council.
2. The Normandy and her crew are “on loan” to the Council and are therefore still subject to Earth’s military’s regs.
3. Ashley’s comments concerning fraternization in ME1.
4. Not every option [this assuming the Council doesn’t have non-frat regs], just those involving members of Earth’s military.

Well, none of that really seems to matter to Shepard. Note that Ashley does bring the rules up, but she still goes ahead with the romance, and given the number of times Shepard can disobey hir superiors (which, as I understand it, is a big no-no) and get into situations that would probably result in getting a real life soldier dishonorably discharged (see the entirety of the Arrival DLC) I don’t think the devs were exactly aiming for complete realism.

Cortez is the “flagship” character for a homosexual male. Liara, being non-human, I don’t even count in regards to this discussion. Linking homosexual with non-human is too close to the bigoted [and non-Catholic] idea that homosexuals are sub-human for my book.

Hence why we have Cortez and Traynor in the third game, and Kelly Chambers, but she doesn’t really count either.

Yep, and for the most part said characters are basically doing their best to redeem themselves from their past bad actions. The same can’t be said for Trayner and Cortez who break their oaths and engage in dishonesty if pursued in the “romance” quests. They start off as rather moral/good people who abandon their morality/goodness IOT get what they want. That really how you want homosexuality portrayed in computer games? IOT engage in homosexual “love” [which according to the game is really just sex] you have to be an immoral person.

Again, Ashley and Kaidan also break their oaths, and let’s not even go into what you have to do to get a certain asari to join your team, and, as I mentioned before, Shepard’s Spectre status basically means sie can buck the rules. There are more important things to worry about atm, and, unlike in real life, it doesn’t seem to undermine the squad’s effectiveness in combat or lead to jealousy among your crew, so it’s a case of a game being, well, unrealistic. Last I checked, the military also does not carry around omnitools or use biotics (which would be awesome, btw).

Also note that when Ashley does bring it up, she’s making a joke out of it:

Shepard: Will you kiss anyone I tell you to?
Ashley: Yes, sir. Unless you ask me to kiss a superior officer. This would violate Alliance regulations on fraternization. At which point, I would refuse your request and relieve you of your command. …Sir.

So clearly, fraternization rules don’t really matter that much to her, either. In this case, I think we can chalk it up to a game being unrealistic.

Well that’s on you. If some game company introduced a flagship left handed hero, I as a left handed person would sure as heck want said hero to be positive example of left handedness and not some guy who breaks his oath IOT get what he wants.

Off the top of my head, I can’t think of a game that lets you equip a weapon in your left hand (though Skyrim kind of does, depending on what you’re equipping). Although, I think I read somewhere that some characters are technically left-handed (at least, in their concept art). Honestly, I don’t really notice which hands my characters are using to hold weapons, I just play.

 

[VeritasLuxMea]

Incidentally, there is also a lot of killing/murder in this game. Not that murder is important, when compared to a true sin like homosexuality.

 

[Lokabrenna]

Incidentally, there is also a lot of killing/murder in this game. Not that murder is important, when compared to a true sin like homosexuality.

For a game that doesn’t involve PCs murdering everything, I recommend Journey: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Journey_%282012_video_game%29 There are some things that try to kill you, but you have to use stealth to get past them.

I think it’s pretty much an unwritten rule that violence is okay in media, but gods forbid there’s kissing, or even mention of sex.

 

[Lost_Wanderer]

I think it’s pretty much an unwritten rule that violence is okay in media, but gods forbid there’s kissing, or even mention of sex.

That’s because violence is in of itself a tool. I certainly won’t zap you if you were just some ye old peasant going about his/her merry way.

If you were a bandit that just tried to skewer me from behind on the other hand… well let’s just say I take great pleasure in exercising my rights to self defense. Magical, fearsome, and wonderfully explosive self-defense.

Sex on the other hand… meh.

 

[CesarAugustus]

Incidentally, there is also a lot of killing/murder in this game. Not that murder is important, when compared to a true sin like homosexuality.

I think people should be expending energy in fighting other grave sexual sins like fornication, adultery, promiscuity, etc.

And the rest of grave sins too.

Blessings!

 

[Armyvet007]

Um, no, because that’s pretty much the norm for any relationships in video games. Give your love interest presents, make all the right choices in dialogue, and BAM! sex scene (unless you’re romancing a certain very religious character in Dragon Age 2). I think fans were happy that such scenes were even included, honestly.

Well, none of that really seems to matter to Shepard. Note that Ashley does bring the rules up, but she still goes ahead with the romance, and given the number of times Shepard can disobey hir superiors (which, as I understand it, is a big no-no) and get into situations that would probably result in getting a real life soldier dishonorably discharged (see the entirety of the Arrival DLC) I don’t think the devs were exactly aiming for complete realism.

Hence why we have Cortez and Traynor in the third game, and Kelly Chambers, but she doesn’t really count either.

Again, Ashley and Kaidan also break their oaths, and let’s not even go into what you have to do to get a certain asari to join your team, and, as I mentioned before, Shepard’s Spectre status basically means sie can buck the rules. There are more important things to worry about atm, and, unlike in real life, it doesn’t seem to undermine the squad’s effectiveness in combat or lead to jealousy among your crew, so it’s a case of a game being, well, unrealistic. Last I checked, the military also does not carry around omnitools or use biotics (which would be awesome, btw).

Also note that when Ashley does bring it up, she’s making a joke out of it:

Shepard: Will you kiss anyone I tell you to?
Ashley: Yes, sir. Unless you ask me to kiss a superior officer. This would violate Alliance regulations on fraternization. At which point, I would refuse your request and relieve you of your command. …Sir.

So clearly, fraternization rules don’t really matter that much to her, either. In this case, I think we can chalk it up to a game being unrealistic.

Off the top of my head, I can’t think of a game that lets you equip a weapon in your left hand (though Skyrim kind of does, depending on what you’re equipping). Although, I think I read somewhere that some characters are technically left-handed (at least, in their concept art). Honestly, I don’t really notice which hands my characters are using to hold weapons, I just play.

For some reason you seem to think I am fine with the heterosexual “romances” in the game. I’m not, and I’m not fine with it because such “romances” reduce love and loving relationships to just sex. But, this thread isn’t about all “romances” in computer games, it’s about homosexual characters in computer games. More specifically it’s about how Bioware presents these characters. These characters only exist in their games IOT allow the player to have a “romance” [read sex] with them. Not something I would think homosexuals would be happy about. Bioware is basically taking the stance that homosexaulity is only about sex. If you are happy with the idea that being homosexual is only about sex, then by all means continue to praise Bioware and their games; just don’t bother to argue against the position that homosexual “love” is just about sex, not a real loving relationship.

Try looking at it this way, in a prior post you mentioned you play Shepard as a homosexaul. In your gameplay, is Shepard’s homosexuality based soley on her * ability to have a homosexual “romance” or is it based on more then just that? If it is based on more then just that, then why should you accept/be happy with the fact that Bioware bases the homosexuality of their NPCs on sex?*

 

[Armyvet007]

Incidentally, there is also a lot of killing/murder in this game. Not that murder is important, when compared to a true sin like homosexuality.

I don’t remember ME1 or 2 requiring the player to commit murder [killing /= murder]. The best I can remember is that the player has the option to commit murder [such as murdering the guards/workers who surrender when you are going after the bar owner on Citadel and the bar owner himself after you capture him]. Additionally, being homosexual isn’t a sin, engaging in homosexual acts is.