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cathgal
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Did not Christ said to beware of wolves in sheep clothing?
We’re not talking plain ignorant. How do you deal w/ the wolves?
Gay 'Bishop' Gene Robinson attacks Catholic stance of homosexuality
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We’re not talking plain ignorant. How do you deal w/ the wolves?
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estesbob
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Christus Rex:
I dont agree with that. We are better off exposing CINOS to the TRUTH rather than let them drift off to anohter Church.
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Traditional_Ang
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Bones:
Gene Robinson left his wife and young children so he could move in with his (male) lover. If the lover hadn’t been male, I don’t even think the heretical apostates over at ECUSA would have consecrated him.
His consecration, and the toleration of non-chaste, non-celebate homosexuals has caused a split between the ECUSA nd the Church of Canada on one side and the rest of the worldwide Anglican Communion which has very nearly excommunicated them from the Worldwide Communion (with the exception of perishes and diocese which are actively fighting against the trend and are under Episcopal oversight from Bishops in Africa).
The most amazing thing is that the Southern Cone Jurisdictions (Southern Hemisphere) have threatened to LEAVE the Communion and form their own communion if either ECUSA and the C of C don’t repent and defrock people like Bishop Robinson or the ECUSA & the C of C are permanently excommunicated from the Worldwide Anglican Communion.
Look for one of these will happen by 2008.
I believe that Bishop Robinson’s remarks are meant for orthodox Anglicans who take the Bible and the Tradition of the Church seriously. Pope Benedict XVI happens to be dealing with a group of us and got caught in the crossfire.
Hopefully, these remarks will remind some of the recalcitrants that I’m dealing with that there really is NO going back, and that our future is on the other side of the Tiber River.
Archbishop Hepworth and a few of us have some 285,000 people to convince - maybe 40% are already convinced. That leaves 170,000 for us to convince.
Pray for us - If we succeed, a LOT of Anglicans will come along after us.
In Christ, Michael
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Orionthehunter
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We can’t control what happens at the top but we can do much to influence it in our parish. Ask yourself these things:
- Are you a CCD teacher?
- Are you involved with a particular ministry in your parish?
- Are you involved in RCIA or Adult Education?
- Are you involved as a marriage sponsor couple?
The Church as to deal with people in leadership who promote teachings contrary to Church Teaching. However, “casting them out” or even encouraging their departure is a very, very, last resort and only after extra-ordinary efforts to bring them back into communion. IMHO, too many want to kick people out as it is the expeditious answer. However, it is contrary to the Church’s institutional calling direct from Christ to “make disciples”.
And, since I’ve seen insufficient wide-spread, universal evidence (granted there are local exceptions) of the Church hierarchy making the concerted effort to generally promote good catechesis among the laity, directly appealing to “dissident” leaders for conformance, and exercising laser-like precision examples of the most egregious, we are premature to advocate a wholesale “anethemaization” of CINOS as individuals or wayward institutions.
P.S. I do see great merit in the recent actions of the USCCB and Rome in this matter. The appointment of American Archbishop Leveda to head the CDF indicates that the Pope wants a person intimately aware of the problem peculiar and prevalent in the US Church. However, we need to understand that the problem didn’t develop overnight, was allowed to deepen by decades of neglect, and its resolution will take great time and effort.
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cathgal
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How the wolves are dealt is another matter. Be it individual or a pack. The point is they have to be dealt with. Have you read news about the Vatican suggestion of ‘pruning’ away those ‘Catholic’ colleges in the U.S.? The Pope said “it might be better for the Church not to expend its resources trying to preserve institutions if their Catholic identity has been seriously compromised.”
"…“disunity and dissent” prevalent in many Catholic institutions of higher learning has had “diastrous consequences for Catholic students and their families.” "
Yes, we are call to make disciples of everyone, but we have to be wise and prudent and not compromise along the way.
cwnews.com/news/viewstory.cfm?recnum=40506
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Orionthehunter
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I’ve seen it and totally agree with it. However, I am extremely confident that before there is any discipline or sanction undertaken, the Church will endeavor greatly to get the offenders to change their ways. In only the most egregious and stubborn cases will there be quick expulsion. We need to be prepared to be patient and trusting in our Church. While occassional “bombs” will do temporary damage, Christ promised that they will not prevail or cause permanant harm.
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bones_IV
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Traditional Ang:
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Traditional Ang:
Not suprising. I remember hearing something like that.
Traditional Ang:
Here’s what one TV producer told Mother Angelica upon hearing her protesting over the movie call ‘World’. “Are you Christian?”, Mother Angelica asked Smith. Smith replied, “Yes, but does God really care what we do down here?” “Yes”, Mother Angelica answered back, “He does care.” Smith told her, “You leave us you will have no show no TV.” She said, “I don’t need you”, she said, “I need God!”
Traditional Ang:
They did that themselves.
Traditional Ang:
The same Gene Robinson who criticized the Vatican’s position on abstinance as a key to fighting the AIDS virus.
Traditional Ang:
Or a departure from the culture of death for that matter.
Traditional Ang:
Pray for you, I will. God bless you. I do remember the late Pope John Paul II telling Dr. Rowan Williams that he would lose credibility if he did nothing.
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sids
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I call the the blind leading the blind, indeed beware of wolf in sheep’s clothing, homosexuuality does not belong in the church this is indeed an abominable sin in the eyes of god. If you read your bible your will read how Abraham interceded for sodom , Abraham did not fine ten good people in sodom, the people there would not change their sinful ways (homesexual ways) and so god destroyed Sodom and Gomorrah. 
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trustmc
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Christus Rex said:Gay Bishop Attacks Catholic Stand
Sad, isn’t itI think he should read his Bible more…
And if there are Catholics joining the Anglican Church…
Michael
- They weren’t very good Catholics anyway
- We’re better off without them
Yes, but are they better off without the Catholic Church?
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trustmc
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Analysis: Anglican Rift Nears Reality
It appears that the “bishop” will no longer be able to speak officially for the historical Anglican Church according to this article.
Mike
It appears that the “bishop” will no longer be able to speak officially for the historical Anglican Church according to this article.
Mike
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trustmc
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Gene Robinson may be the best thing that ever happened to the Catholic Church.
Mike
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oat_soda
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robinson is such a dork. the guy has to be possesed or oppressed by the devil to be so blind.
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irenaeus1
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In my case, I am very involved in various parish ministries, yet I believe very much in dealing harshly with CINOs. I understand that there are many who are poorly catechized, but these in general are not to whom we are referring. When speaking of CINOs, I am referring to those who, while maintaining that they are Catholic, are publicly outspoken against the Catholic Church and her teachings, and in particular those in leadership position of so-called Catholic organizations or ‘teachers’ of religious education, etc. These people are completely without excuse. With the enormous wealth of information that is out there, anyone with half a brain can find out what the Church teaches on a particular issue, and thus, cannot claim ignorance. It is the intentional defiance of Catholic teaching that I have no patience for. Do I wish that the CINOs would repent of their dissent and recant their position and come back into full communion with the Church? – absolutely. But I do not believe that we should coddle them. We’ve done that already for decades, and dissent has spread through the Church like cancer. Sometimes, I wish we as a Church would be faithful and implement Matt. 18:17 once in a while.
In Christ,
Irenaeus
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Brendan
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So let me get this straight.
A man who, unrepentantly, decides to leave his wife and children and live with another in an adulterous affair, thinks he is qualifed to lecture the Church on morality?
A man who, unrepentantly, decides to leave his wife and children and live with another in an adulterous affair, thinks he is qualifed to lecture the Church on morality?
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Riley259
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The overwhelming majority of the episodes were not pedophilia but homosexuality with adolescent males. This is homosexuality and the correlation with abuse cases (at least with priests) is astounding. Of course, one among many sensible solutions is to not admit those with same-sex attractions to the priesthood.
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Holly3278
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That man shouldn’t even be a bishop! He has no right to comment on the Catholic beliefs.
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David_B
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He ain’t no bishop. He has no valid orders per Pope Leo XIII’s Apostolicae Curae.
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goofyjim
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Same sex attraction is not necessarily pedophilia. Not plain and simple, my dear. SSA is a disordered condition but does not have to lead to the other.
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cathgal
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I never said all SSA is pedophilia. My point is why play w/ words to cover up the fact. Man and boy. Are they both not SAME SEX ??? It is plain and simple.
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