Gay couple denied apartment

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BlueEyedLady said:
If she is leasing a room out of her home she can discriminate against anyone she wants.

And no, it is not illegal to have income or credit standards, as long as they are fairly and consistently applied.
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I know I was making a moral point.
 
fix said:
Sorry but this is false.

Firstly, faux equality is not a god. This recourse to lack of equality in decision making is more an Americanist notion than any Catholic moral theology tradition.

One does not have to say anything goes because one does not deny renting to every single possible sin some person does. Secondly, it is not about how we “feel” about this sin. Objectively, some sins are worse than other sins and some sins are more public than other sins, and some public sins are more current than other sins.

No, there is a propensity for homosexual proponents to make this accusation.

Homosexual normalization is constantly in the news, in the public, in the schools, and one cannot escape from the non stop discussion in society.

There is a reaction to this non stop attempt at normalization. People are concerned as they ought to be.
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Oh please. There is just as much divorce and premarital sex in the media (if not more) as there is homosexuality. And far more people commit those sins. If you’re going to go nuts over gays you might as well save some of that energy for the fornicators.
 
AdamPeter said:
I am not saying that homosexual people will end up on the street.

My point is that you can’t be a witness to someone you turn away. We are called to be charitable to our brothers and sisters in Christ.
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It is a false way of looking at this situation. It depends on context. There are times when turning down an applicant for an apt may be the best choice. The OP asked a general question and my response was that one may not be obligated to decline but it would not be immoral to decline. More info is needed.

A blanket statement that charity requires not declining frankly is not defensable.
 
fix said:
I know I was making a moral point.
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No you weren’t. There is a world of difference between not being allowed to decide who you live with in your own home and not being able to discriminate when it comes to an apartment. It is not immoral to require landlords to allow equal access to housing, but it is immoral to insist that someone has no power over who they allow in their own home.
 
BlueEyedLady said:
Oh please. There is just as much divorce and premarital sex in the media (if not more) as there is homosexuality. And far more people commit those sins. If you’re going to go nuts over gays you might as well save some of that energy for the fornicators.
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Like the other poster you are creating a straw man. No one condones any sin, but this thread is about “gays” and apartments.
 
BlueEyedLady said:
No you weren’t.
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Uh, yes I was,
There is a world of difference between not being allowed to decide who you live with in your own home and not being able to discriminate when it comes to an apartment.
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That depends on the circumstances. Why do you bind another’s conscience?
It is not immoral to require landlords to allow equal access to housing, but it is immoral to insist that someone has no power over who they allow in their own home.
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Says who?
 
fix said:
It is a false way of looking at this situation. It depends on context. There are times when turning down an applicant for an apt may be the best choice. The OP asked a general question and my response was that one may not be obligated to decline but it would not be immoral to decline. More info is needed.

A blanket statement that charity requires not declining frankly is not defensable.
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I never stated that charity required not declining but I do think:

It would be unwise to decline given the laws in Canada on these matters.

I don’t see a valid reason to decline. As Catholics we are not required to discriminate against gay people.

I think this just probably served to inflame media and fuel to an anti-catholic news story.
 
AdamPeter said:
I never stated that charity required not declining but I do think:

It would be unwise to decline given the laws in Canada on these matters.

I don’t see a valid reason to decline. As Catholics we are not required to discriminate against gay people.

I think this just probably served to inflame media and fuel to an anti-catholic news story.
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I am only addressing the moral aspect here. Discrimination may be just or unjust. Please see the link above to the Vatican document on this topic.
 
fix said:
Sorry but this is false.

Firstly, faux equality is not a god. This recourse to lack of equality in decision making is more an Americanist notion than any Catholic moral theology tradition.

One does not have to say anything goes because one does not deny renting to every single possible sin some person does. Secondly, it is not about how we “feel” about this sin. Objectively, some sins are worse than other sins and some sins are more public than other sins, and some public sins are more current than other sins.

No, there is a propensity for homosexual proponents to make this accusation.

Homosexual normalization is constantly in the news, in the public, in the schools, and one cannot escape from the non stop discussion in society.

There is a reaction to this non stop attempt at normalization. People are concerned as they ought to be.
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How I loooove these responses! :extrahappy:
 
fix said:
Uh, yes I was,

You don’t make a moral point when you compare not being able to discriminate in housing with forcing a woman to allow the first qualified stranger to be around her child. That’s apples and oranges, not a moral point, and downright hyperbolic.

That depends on the circumstances. Why do you bind another’s conscience?

Because I know the industry, the laws, the history behind them, and plenty of real world cases and suits where people were caused real hardship because of housing discrimination. Up until a few weeks ago when I quit to attend law school I managed multifamily real estate for a living, both on site and in the corporate office. At a certain point if you feel that renting to certain types of people violates your conscience you need to find a new job. There are plenty of jobs that would require me to violate my conscience, so I don’t do them. Your rights end where another’s begin. And everyone deserves equal access to housing, just as they deserve equal access to stores and restaurants.

Says who?
Our democratically elected government. And they’ve been saying so for 45 years since Title VIII of the Civil Rights Act of 1968 was passed.
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Landlords should be allowed to decide who they let live on their property and who they do not and they shouldn’t have to have their reasons pre-approved by the government.
 
AdamPeter said:
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My point is that you can’t be a witness to someone you turn away.
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Yes, you can. I would wager that more have been converted by those who stood up for the faith than those who caved, for the one who caves in is weak in faith.
We are called to be charitable to our brothers and sisters in Christ.
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Does this mean we have to facilitate his self-destructive behavior?
To avoid appearing uncharitable, Christians must now not only tolerate evil, but they must fund it and validate it as well.
 
Bill_Martin said:
Landlords should be allowed to decide who they let live on their property and who they do not and they shouldn’t have to have their reasons pre-approved by the government.
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I agree.

I think I’d have more of a problem with this if it was a single gay person trying to find an apt. to rent and a landlord refusing to rent to him based on a suspicion that he was gay.
 
BlueEyedLady said:
Oh please. There is just as much divorce and premarital sex in the media (if not more) as there is homosexuality. And far more people commit those sins. If you’re going to go nuts over gays you might as well save some of that energy for the fornicators.
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How many fornicators and divorced people are there trying to tell us what to think?
To avoid appearing uncharitable, Christians must now not only tolerate evil, but they must fund it and validate it as well.
 
sedonaman said:
Yes, you can. I would wager that more have been converted by those who stood up for the faith than those who caved, for the one who caves in is weak in faith.

Does this mean we have to facilitate his self-destructive behavior?
To avoid appearing uncharitable, Christians must now not only tolerate evil, but they must fund it and validate it as well.
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Obviously your idea of charity is very different to its actual meaning…
 
sedonaman said:
How many fornicators and divorced people are there trying to tell us what to think?
To avoid appearing uncharitable, Christians must now not only tolerate evil, but they must fund it and validate it as well.
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You’re kidding right? Everyone says that it’s ok to have premarital sex these days. Celebrities and politicians endorse safe sex (contraception) and cohabiting. People get laughed at, made fun of, and dragged through the mud when they say that premarital sex is wrong. (Tim Tebow comes to mind.)
 
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