"Gay Day" Ruined Our Day at Cedar Point

[Jea9]

I agree with you that it’s over quoted, and also the poster missed the most important part.

I’m just uncomfortable with judging the actions to their face, because I have my own flaws and sinful behavior.

I’m not saying we shouldn’t judge the actions of others, but we should be careful how we do so. You can be charitable and polite.

Well, I won’t say that it is comfortable to tell another they are in sin. But, the fact that we are ALL sinners should make it easier to bear. Meaning, if you go into it by acknowledging your own faults, then another can’t feel that you are being righteous. I struggle with this with my niece who is 22 and currently living with her boyfriend. She and I have talked TONS about how she should get married, and that pre-marital sex is wrong. I have always started these conversations with “I know that it seems hypocritical coming from me, but because I HAVE sinned, I know how much it hurts…” She’s yet to change her ways so maybe I’m not doing it right. But, I’ll keep trying every time it comes up. I don’t understand how a person can say they have enough money to live together but not to be married…

If we don’t call each other out in our sins, it’s possible that a person will continue to go through life sinning. Remember, Christ also said that to him whom much has been given, much will be expected. Meaning, those of us who know the Truth, have an obligation to share it with others. But of course with love, patience, and charity.

 

[PPeterson]

I love how people quote this part of Christ, without the rest. He also said to her to go and sin no more. That’s a VERY important part of what He told this woman.

And we are actually called to judge the ACTIONS, not the person.

that doesn’t really make it a selective quoting. the crowd (you and me) are told not to judge. the woman is told to go and sin no more. two different audiences.

on a different note, this thread did get me thinking. If you went to the park and saw a group obviously from a protestant church there (perhaps wearing matching shirts) would you have gotten just as offended and left? After, all your kids could have been exposed to people taking pride in and publicly demonstrating approval of belonging to a sect that teaches “heresy.” If your kids had seen such a shirt and asked “what is a Baptist?” they would have been forced to know about this sect which teaches in contradiction to our faith. would there have been posts on here about how they were “rubbing it in your faces?” I know it’s a different scenario, but just thinking about when your outrage becomes selective… and possibly when it’s driven by having a convenient and acceptable “target.”

 

[Mary_Gail_36]

that doesn’t really make it a selective quoting. the crowd (you and me) are told not to judge. the woman is told to go and sin no more. two different audiences.

on a different note, this thread did get me thinking. If you went to the park and saw a group obviously from a protestant church there (perhaps wearing matching shirts) would you have gotten just as offended and left? After, all your kids could have been exposed to people taking pride in and publicly demonstrating approval of belonging to a sect that teaches “heresy.” If your kids had seen such a shirt and asked “what is a Baptist?” they would have been forced to know about this sect which teaches in contradiction to our faith. would there have been posts on here about how they were “rubbing it in your faces?” I know it’s a different scenario, but just thinking about when your outrage becomes selective… and possibly when it’s driven by having a convenient and acceptable “target.”

I would explain to my children that they (the Baptists) worship God differently than we do. I honestly don’t think my kids would notice anything different.

Homosexual activity is intrinsically evil.

I would also get offended if it were a “swingers” convention at a family park:shrug:

A little odd for you to equate the 2…

 

[PPeterson]

I would explain to my children that they (the Baptists) worship God differently than we do. I honestly don’t think my kids would notice anything different.

Homosexual activity is intrinsically evil.

I would also get offended if it were a “swingers” convention at a family park:shrug:

A little odd for you to equate the 2…

what I was thinking was this. 500 years ago you probably would not have explained to your children that some people worship differently than us. most likely your response would have been more than a bit hostile, and considered extremely bigoted by today’s standards. However, after a few hundred years of prompting by “secular” thinkers, Catholics have learned that the sky won’t fall and the mountains collapse if they refrain from going ape about his or her neighbor’s beliefs. I’m guessing that it’s possible that the same thing will happen over time when it comes to who his or her neighbor feels like kissing in public.

i’m curious as to whether people believe this indicates increasing laxity on the part of the faithful, or more cynically us having to be shown by non-Christians that it’s really ok to refrain from judgement.

 

[donanobis]

I don’t know how you figure that non-Christians refrain from judgement. They judge Christians for being judgemental and bigoted and unkind and not living up to their Christianity. If you mean they are more lenient in accepting societies norm at the present moment, you may be right but they are still forming a judgement.

And are the faithful to blame for laxity? or can the blame be set at the feet of the preachers of the word in the pulpit? If God’s priests are lax, so will be God’s children. You can see that throughout the bible. Wouldn’t you agree?

One other thing; the usurpers who STAGE these events are working on an agenda. They have got their moves in place now for a grand coup de gras. With the new hate crime bill in place it is only a matter of time before someone will make an aggresive move at one of these affairs and get to be the first US test case of the new bill and guess how they will fare? Then those who have any contrary opinion or judgement about gay pride goings on can express it non verbally to themselves and everyone will be ‘happy’.

Explanation:
“coup de grâce/gras” Eng/Fr and means a decisive finishing blow, act, or event.

PPeterson http://forums.catholic-questions.org/images/statusicon_khaki/user_offline.gif
“i’m curious as to whether people believe this indicates increasing laxity on the part of the faithful, or more cynically us having to be shown by non-Christians that it’s really ok to refrain from judgement.:”

 

[Magickman]

We live in a diverse society, with people of many different lifestyles and values. And none of us is perfect.

The rules of society give equal rights to straights, gays, Catholics, Protestants, blacks and whites. The toleration of differences is essential to a peaceful civil society. The Catholic church does not make the laws for all citizens. Everyone is entitled to the same rights, even gay folks.

Gay people have just as much right to public accommodations as anyone else. If we don’t like gays at Cedar Point, then we would be wise go somewhere else.

 

[Livingthedream]

We should get the Church to build a Catholic theme park with Catholic rides. That would be awesome, I’d go for sure. I don’t have a girlfriend or a family, but if I did…I’d go. They could make it so only Catholics could go, but not gay Catholics who aren’t chaste.

 

[JimG]

Perhaps some other group will plan a “Straight Day” at Cedar Point, or maybe a “Cohabitation Day” or “Adulterers Day” or “Fornication Day.”

 

[rick43235]

We should get the Church to build a Catholic theme park with Catholic rides.

I’m almost afraid to ask, but here goes…

What in the world is a “Catholic ride?”

 

[Livingthedream]

I’m almost afraid to ask, but here goes…

What in the world is a “Catholic ride?”

I don’t know, but I’m sure they could have some themed rides of the Vatican, lives of the Saints, the history of the Church, maybe even the crucifixion, but that might scare little kids.

I’m sure someone really smart good make some fun, wholesome and cool rides.

 

[Flamingo]

This is just my .02, but I think that a lot of Catholics are shying away from many opportunities to really display their faith. Staying at the theme park would have been a great opportunity to be a display of your faith. By leaving and later giving a disgusted opinion on their display of affection, you have chosen to not accept them and have turned down the chance to do what Jesus did, which was bringing God to those with sin (we all have sin, just to clarify).

It’s late, but that’s just MHO.

I think a lot of Christians in general are rejecting those who may not necessarily have Christ in their lives.

 

[Livingthedream]

This is just my .02, but I think that a lot of Catholics are shying away from many opportunities to really display their faith. Staying at the theme park would have been a great opportunity to be a display of your faith. By leaving and later giving a disgusted opinion on their display of affection, you have chosen to not accept them and have turned down the chance to do what Jesus did, which was bringing God to those with sin (we all have sin, just to clarify).

It’s late, but that’s just MHO.

I think a lot of Christians in general are rejecting those who may not necessarily have Christ in their lives.

What kinds of things could they do in the middle of the theme park? Do you think making a sign of the cross would have gotten the point across, or if they had a necklace with a cross on it, maybe they could hold it in front of them. Maybe something more direct, like telling the gays point blank that they’re sinners, they’re scaring the kids and they should stop being gay.

I dunno,I’m not good at these things, what do you think would be best?

 

[JimG]

This is just my .02, but I think that a lot of Catholics are shying away from many opportunities to really display their faith. Staying at the theme park would have been a great opportunity to be a display of your faith. By leaving and later giving a disgusted opinion on their display of affection, you have chosen to not accept them and have turned down the chance to do what Jesus did, which was bringing God to those with sin (we all have sin, just to clarify).

It’s late, but that’s just MHO.

I think a lot of Christians in general are rejecting those who may not necessarily have Christ in their lives.

And how would Catholics display their faith in the midst of Gay Day? Perhaps by wearing Catholic tee-shirts? OK. The other question is, should any Catholic family subject his family and children to Gay Day as part of a family vacation? After the park closes, maybe the family could visit a sex shop together.

 

[Flamingo]

What kinds of things could they do in the middle of the theme park? Do you think making a sign of the cross would have gotten the point across, or if they had a necklace with a cross on it, maybe they could hold it in front of them. Maybe something more direct, like telling the gays point blank that they’re sinners, they’re scaring the kids and they should stop being gay.

I dunno,I’m not good at these things, what do you think would be best?

Ok fair enough, haha. My neighborhood isn’t always the best religion wise, so to speak. But one thing that I am a firm believer in is just being kind to people. Standing in lines waiting for lines for instance - spark up a conversation with people. Maybe mention a funny story that happened at your church or something? A lot of people who aren’t active within the Church have a negative view on it. Even if nothing comes up about Church still being nonjudgemental and kind to people throughout your time at the park is never a bad thing.

Regardless, leaving the park and then proceeding to have a negative attitude on it on a public forum is certainly not helping anybody.

 

[Flamingo]

And how would Catholics display their faith in the midst of Gay Day? Perhaps by wearing Catholic tee-shirts? OK. The other question is, should any Catholic family subject his family and children to Gay Day as part of a family vacation? After the park closes, maybe the family could visit a sex shop together.

Correct me if I’m wrong, but I do believe that the OP attended with their spouse, not their children. That would be an entirerly different situation had children been present.

 

[ljubim]

I cannot believe Catholics are trying to defend Gay Pride Day. Can nothing be objectively wrong any more?

Anyway, here’s the best I’ve got for a watchdog group: American Family Association. They miss a lot though, but occasionally report on gays. And I guess the alternative is going to the gay websites themselves… just kidding

 

[jspencer]

I am sure that would have ruined my & DH day, too, if we had been there. This * is * Satan’s work: working to make those of us who follow the Lord feel like * we * are the abnormal ones.

I have to be very careful how I speak about any gay or lesbian around my DIL because she has a brother who is gay and is “married”. I have met her brother and I like him…and his partner…but I still detest the homosexual lifestyle because it is sinful. She is very close to her brother and actually became very upset when I explained to her that her brother could not become a Godparent to her son, my grandson. (Never mind that he isn’t even Catholic.) Consequently, Grandson still has not been Baptized. (He is 16 months old.)

Two things: First, I have to agree that having SIN shoved in my face and made to seem normal has become an everyday/everywhere occurance. Most of my children are old enough to understand what is right and what is wrong, thank the Lord. They (my children) have been known on occassion to simply ask people “do you know Jesus?” Every once in awhile they get a good response and actually get to witness to someone. Second: what do the acronyms stand for? DIL DH

 

[pnewton]

i’m curious as to whether people believe this indicates increasing laxity on the part of the faithful, or more cynically us having to be shown by non-Christians that it’s really ok to refrain from judgement.

I actually laughed out loud when I saw this. As said earlier, religious convictions are judged very harshly by our society today* as* intolerance. I do not want to be shown by nonchristians what it means to be nonjudgemental. They do not get it. The fact that the verse is included here for condemning promotion of homosexual relationships tells me others do not get it. Refraining from judgement is** not** the dismissal and acceptance of sin. Rather we are not to judge except as we are willing to be judged. Let us finish the verse to understand.

Matthew 6:1

Stop judging, that you may not be judged.
2 For as you judge, so will you be judged, and the measure with which you measure will be measured out to you. 3 Why do you notice the splinter in your brother’s eye, but do not perceive the wooden beam in your own eye? 4 How can you say to your brother, ‘Let me remove that splinter from your eye,’ while the wooden beam is in your eye? 5 You hypocrite, remove the wooden beam from your eye first; then you will see clearly to remove the splinter from your brother’s eye.

The sentence is not even finished by most people. “For”. This is an important conjuction. It indicates that the next phrase is going to be the reason for the first phrase, thus where the emphasis lies. Not that the next verses expand on this. So, is this verse about tolerance and non-judgmentalism. No. It is about hypocricy.

And, BTW, for those who do not notice, let me point out that Jesus uses much hyperbole in his teaching. Do those who live cautious never to judge anything also make it a point to hate their parents as Jesus commanded? Rather, as with most nonchristians, they are quick to cherry pick a partial sentence out of context. Even in this teaching we see excellent examples of hyperbolic teaching. This does not mean for a moment we are not to be ignorant of what is holy, or even who is acting holy, for that matter. Consider the very next verse:

"Do not give what is holy to dogs, or throw your pearls before swine, lest they trample them underfoot, and turn and tear you to pieces.

There is such a thing as holy. There is such a thing as “swine or dogs” and we are expected to know the difference.

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

Can’t blame Obama for this one. The practice has been around for a while. In the late 80’s the company I worked for sponsored an employee day @ the local amusement park that always fell on “gay day”.

I most certainly can.

Is there any other president who declared any month a month to celebrate pride in SIN?

Any other who has proclaimed this is no longer a Christian nation?

 

[masondoggy]

We live in a diverse society, with people of many different lifestyles and values. And none of us is perfect.

The rules of society give equal rights to straights, gays, Catholics, Protestants, blacks and whites. The toleration of differences is essential to a peaceful civil society. The Catholic church does not make the laws for all citizens. Everyone is entitled to the same rights, even gay folks.

Gay people have just as much right to public accommodations as anyone else. If we don’t like gays at Cedar Point, then we would be wise go somewhere else.

This isn’t about rights. I never called for Cedar Point to throw these people out. In fact, I’m sure I made it clear that I would not support such a move because it would be wrong, imo.

I have no problem being around people who are gay. I’ve had very good friends that are gay. I disagree with their lifestyle and I fear for their soul and pray for them, but I base my judgements about them on their personality, not their sexual orientation.

What I am angry about is the gay movement deliberately targeting family parks for the sole purpose of shoving their disgusting agenda in the faces of this generation of kids. They are after them, and they’re aggressive about it. They aren’t just happy to go on their merry way and do what they want undisturbed, they have to involve innocent children in it and that is why I am angry. That anger is why we left. Not because we didn’t want to be around gay people.