"Gay Day" Ruined Our Day at Cedar Point

[Nec5]

I would submit that 15 centuries or so of privilege and deference (which lasted until quite recently), has made Catholics a soft lot. Your whole day is ruined because you had to suffer the existence of other people who have as much legal standing as you. Really? You guys wouldn’t have lasted 5 minutes in Nero’s Rome.

Yeah, well, lions and burnings don’t take a lot of time.

 

[Paganus]

Don’t be afraid to flaunt YOUR lifestyle either. No reason your entire family can’t pray the rosary together, out loud, while waiting in line for each and every rollercoaster.

 

[pnewton]

How incredibly ignorant to assume that gays are child molesters. Straight men are the majority of molesters. Maybe we should lock them all up in the dungeon?
Miz

The mistake is yours, Miz, a mistake of grammar and syntax. The conjunction “and” separates two different groups in the sentence I used. I will not insult you by calling you ignorant, like you did me though, and assume your mistake was honest.

 

[pnewton]

PNewton, are you saying that the pedophiles and rapists are on equal footing in your
opinion with homosexuals? If so, why?

Not legally. Their moral situation is similar, though. I am saying that most of the excuses one makes for homosexual rights can also be made for the rights of other deviants. It is why NAMBLA actually has the same validity (or invalidity) that the homosexual agenda has.

 

[jesuspsr]

I’ve read thru all post (took awhile) and I feel I should write about my experince in this. I live in a city that has embraced gays not by non -gays but by the gay population even at one point we had a gay mayor. We cannot walk the streets here without seeing their awfull disgusting behavior, I’ve been aproched by them, called names I can’t even walk with guy friends without people thinking were gay. If anybody speaks out thier taged as gay bashing, were we are rediculed and have the police called on you. Mind you not all of this has happened to me personaly but it is what I’ve seen happening here. And YES they go way out to trash the catholic church by having thier white party during easter on purpose. Not all gays are like this but the magority are. We can’t even go out and eat without seeing thier bad behavior. Some common decency would be appreciated. On lesbian day a friend came to town not knowing stayed in a hotel and he could’nt use the mens room, when he asked why the mens room are for women only the hotel told him because it’s all about them. I disagree with thier life style and behavior and yes I to have gay friends most of them don’t agree with how they behave. I do however love and pray for them.

con respecto:hug1:
JG

 

[Sailor_Kenshin]

There is nothing ‘gay’ about homosexuality.

 

[sharmin]

Can you ask God the same thing about those entering heaven? We are not living in heaven now.

I’m not sure what you mean by this. I can’t, on any level, compare Heaven to Cedar Point.

 

[sharmin]

Just wanted to note that I was reminded this morning by Fr. Corapi on the radio that the first Spiritual Work of Mercy is to “Admonish the sinner”. Obviously, this must be done with compassion and charity, but it definitely means that pointing out sinful actions is the right thing to do. The “when” and “how” needs discernment through prayers, but the calling (for ALL: laity and ordained) remains.

But does that mean you go up to complete strangers and admonish them? Do you admonish all sins or just certain ones you choose. Do you admonish strangers who are cohabitating? Do you admonish those who use birth control? Do you admonish strangers who say “Oh God!” and take His name in vain? To what extent do you take it to?

 

[sharmin]

The difference is those sins aren’t always publically visible. If they are (such as, known adulterers engaging in PDAs or something, or pro-abortion demonstrators, etc.) then yeah, same thing. I wouldn’t want them in my family-friend theme park or around my kids either.

I don’t know…I’ve heard many people in public use God’s name in vain. That is a TERRIBLY sin as it directly disrespects God and goes directly against a commandment. Do you ask that they be removed from Cedar Point? Or do you think we should pick and choose what types of public sinners are allowed?

 

[sharmin]

Not legally. Their moral situation is similar, though. I am saying that most of the excuses one makes for homosexual rights can also be made for the rights of other deviants. It is why NAMBLA actually has the same validity (or invalidity) that the homosexual agenda has.

Oh.my.gosh. I don’t know how to respond. A woman who falls in love with another woman is in a similar moral situation as a pedophile who molests a child!!!

I am so horrified by this statement I don’t know how to respond. Sick to my stomach that people can actually think this way. To me, this signifies a sicker mentality than one who is homosexual. Please tell me you didn’t mean this as you said it.

 

[smithm29]

A mortal sin is a mortal sin. Homosexual acts, masturbation, using birth control, fornication, disrespecting my father, hitting my mother, failing to pray, saying “there is no God but God and Muhammad is his prophet”, driving someone to get an abortion, torturing a detainee, beating a gay man, refusing to help a man in need because I hate his race, and so on, ad nauseum.

Each of these sins cuts us off from God’s grace and requires sacramental absolution. They are all on the same moral footing.

 

[pnewton]

Oh.my.gosh. I don’t know how to respond. A woman who falls in love with another woman is in a similar moral situation as a pedophile who molests a child!!!

I am so horrified by this statement I don’t know how to respond. Sick to my stomach that people can actually think this way. To me, this signifies a sicker mentality than one who is homosexual. Please tell me you didn’t mean this as you said it.

No, I did mean what I said and will even expound upon it. If your constitution does not permit you to post here, then don’t. In either case, I have never accused another poster of having a sick mentality and consider such ad hominem insults to be inappropriate.

Now, as to the similar moral situation: Note that I say the situation is similar and limit it to the area of morality. Whether you personally approve of God or not, it is part of the Catholic faith that homosexual acts are an objective mortal sin, meaning they can result in a person spending eternity in Hell. If the person is unaware of this sin or if they do not have full control of their will in the matter, then the sin may not be mortal for them.

Likewise, having sex with a child, or any sex outside of marriage is an objective mortal sin, with the same caveat, that it may not be mortal in an individual case, depending on whether the person is aware of the nature of the sin and has full control of the will.

I find your post to be a reflection of human nature. We learn to accept one grave sin slowly through cultural indoctrination, but are aghast at the sins of another. Usually this charge is levied at those in support of homosexuals against those who hold to the orthodox Catholic doctrine on sin. Yet as you demonstrate, it is a more universal trait, even among those who believe themselves tolerant.

 

[ContegoFides]

But does that mean you go up to complete strangers and admonish them? Do you admonish all sins or just certain ones you choose. Do you admonish strangers who are cohabitating? Do you admonish those who use birth control? Do you admonish strangers who say “Oh God!” and take His name in vain? To what extent do you take it to?

Prudential judgment is used to determine the proper course of action. Obviously you cannot address all people at all times. Generally, all sinners should be admonished in a loving way.

 

[ContegoFides]

I don’t know…I’ve heard many people in public use God’s name in vain. That is a TERRIBLY sin as it directly disrespects God and goes directly against a commandment. Do you ask that they be removed from Cedar Point? Or do you think we should pick and choose what types of public sinners are allowed?

All sins are bad. However, sins are different in quality and gravity. In MOST instances, in our culture, taking the name of the Lord in vain is a matter of gross negligence. Flaunting one’s lifestyle of confirmed multiple same sex acts is much more grave.

 

[pnewton]

I don’t know…I’ve heard many people in public use God’s name in vain. That is a TERRIBLY sin as it directly disrespects God and goes directly against a commandment. Do you ask that they be removed from Cedar Point? Or do you think we should pick and choose what types of public sinners are allowed?

You have a good analogy. Yes, when I have children with me, I have admonished people for their language when it is blashpemous. I have also done this when I have not been with children.

 

[ContegoFides]

Oh.my.gosh. I don’t know how to respond. A woman who falls in love with another woman is in a similar moral situation as a pedophile who molests a child!!!

I am so horrified by this statement I don’t know how to respond. Sick to my stomach that people can actually think this way. To me, this signifies a sicker mentality than one who is homosexual. Please tell me you didn’t mean this as you said it.

Both pedophilia and same sex acts are gravely disordered. Pedophilia is much more grave, because it destroys the innocence of a child and causes lifelong psychological damage. However, scripture is very clear on both sins that either can lead to everlasting death and neither is compatible with the Christian life.

The punishment for pedophilia, however, will no doubt be worse - as Jesus said that it would be better for such a person to have a millstone tied around their neck and cast into the sea than it would be to hurt one of these little ones.

 

[ContegoFides]

A mortal sin is a mortal sin. Homosexual acts, masturbation, using birth control, fornication, disrespecting my father, hitting my mother, failing to pray, saying “there is no God but God and Muhammad is his prophet”, driving someone to get an abortion, torturing a detainee, beating a gay man, refusing to help a man in need because I hate his race, and so on, ad nauseum.

Each of these sins cuts us off from God’s grace and requires sacramental absolution. They are all on the same moral footing.

I respectfully disagree. The Church recognizes that some mortal sins are more grave than others.

 

[smithm29]

All mortal sins remove you from a state of grace and require sacramental absolution. There is no practical reason to consider any level of gravity beyond that because the results are the same. Denying God through the shahada, molesting a child, or assisting in an abortion all cut you off from God’s grace and lead to hell without the requisite contrition and reconciliation.

 

[ContegoFides]

All mortal sins remove you from a state of grace and require sacramental absolution. There is no practical reason to consider any level of gravity beyond that because the results are the same. Denying God through the shahada, molesting a child, or assisting in an abortion all cut you off from God’s grace and lead to hell without the requisite contrition and reconciliation.

True, but the Lord seems to imply through the millstone example that the punishments for some sins will be worse than others. So, gravity is an issue I would think. However, I can find no definitive statement in the Catechism (though I didn’t look that hard).

 

[sharmin]

No, I did mean what I said and will even expound upon it. If your constitution does not permit you to post here, then don’t. In either case, I have never accused another poster of having a sick mentality and consider such ad hominem insults to be inappropriate.

I’m sorry if I upset you. I do find that statement very disturbing, though.

Likewise, missing mass on Sunday is a mortal sin. Do you consider this similarily immoral as molesting a child? It seems as if you are saying all mortal sin is made up of similar immorality. If so, I am just astonished.