Gay Italian priests protest Vatican statement

[GregoryPalamas]

This reflection by Father Loya found in another thread may be useful here.

"True compassion is based on impeccable honesty. If we use the Sacramental worldview the most compassionate thing we can say is that there is no such thing as a “homosexual.” Now, just wait, calm down and stay with me on this:

It is not compassiontate to size someone up, lable them and then dismiss them in an attitude of smug finality: “Oh, yeah, that’s Joe. He’s gay.” The word “homosexual” iself is actually of recent and erroneous vintage." The entire post is found here forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=219541 Post #21

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[SenorSalsa]

Pedophilia and homosexuality are disorders and can be compatible with each other.

Pedophilia is compatible with any sexuality. That is a very discriminatory statement to say that Pedophilia spawns from homosexuality

 

[GregoryPalamas]

Pedophilia is compatible with any sexuality. That is a very discriminatory statement to say that Pedophilia spawns from homosexuality

Both homosexuality and pedophilia are disorders. To rape a little girl by a male is certainly not homosexuality. To rape a little boy by a male is certainly a homosexualist act.

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[East_and_West]

They should protest, the church is wrong on this issue.

So one gay teen is right but every Pope since Peter, the Holy Spirit Inspired Scriptures, the Cannos, the Catechism, the Church Fathers, and 2000 of Catholic tradition are wrong on this matter. St. Thomas Aquinas was wrong, Augustine was wrong, ever y Scholastic Theologian was wrong. Wow. BUT Teen4Christ, he’s got it right. Wow.

 

[GregoryPalamas]

So one gay teen is right but every Pope since Peter, the Holy Spirit Inspired Scriptures, the Cannos, the Catechism, the Church Fathers, and 2000 of Catholic tradition are wrong on this matter. St. Thomas Aquinas was wrong, Augustine was wrong, ever y Scholastic Theologian was wrong. Wow. BUT Teen4Christ, he’s got it right. Wow.

Our new Messiah.

 

[hasikelee]

Okay, I see a lot of well-thought out opinions on this thread…but I haven’t seen this one yet…

It was my understanding that the Church will not allow those struggling with same sex temptations to join the seminary because it could easily become an occasion of sin for them.

Am I saying we’re all sex crazed, no. But does it really need to be spelled out here. I mean, it’s obvious.

Homosexual means attracted to the same sex
Seminary means a big building filled with young men

The Church is here to protect all of its children from harm, no matter what their orientation is. Allowing or supporting one of Christ’s children to enter into a severe occasion of sin is not protecting or building up that person.

I know guys in the seminary here and they don’t have private bathrooms or sleeping areas. They play contact sports. They eat together. They pray together. They spend every waking moment-together. That would be a terrible burden for someone with same sex attractions struggling to remain chaste.

 

[GregoryPalamas]

Okay, I see a lot of well-thought out opinions on this thread…but I haven’t seen this one yet…

It was my understanding that the Church will not allow those struggling with same sex temptations to join the seminary because it could easily become an occasion of sin for them.

Am I saying we’re all sex crazed, no. But does it really need to be spelled out here. I mean, it’s obvious.

Homosexual means attracted to the same sex
Seminary means a big building filled with young men

The Church is here to protect all of its children from harm, no matter what their orientation is. Allowing or supporting one of Christ’s children to enter into a severe occasion of sin is not protecting or building up that person.

I know guys in the seminary here and they don’t have private bathrooms or sleeping areas. They play contact sports. They eat together. They pray together. They spend every waking moment-together. That would be a terrible burden for someone with same sex attractions struggling to remain chaste.

Weknow that this problem has existed for as long as we have any records. Yet, it seems to have become worse in the mid to late 20th century. The book “Good Bye, Good Men” comes to mind. Thankfully some of the seminaries that were gay factories have been shut down. How many still exist?

The concern for offfering a temptation to sin and the realization that those who wished not to sin did not wish to be put in the place of offering temptation are the reasons why those struggling with SSA should not be in seminary and perhaps should not be allowed in the military.

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