Gay, Lesbian Straight Educational Network Day of Silence - April 11th

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I’m quite fond of my suggestion to preempt this disruption of class by a test to make sure they’ll attend class, and a graded discussion to make sure that there will be a reflection in their grades if they insist on disrupting class through this demonstration.

I’m not like your typical college professor, because I would never give a student a lower grade if he disagreed with me politically, nor would I grandstand in front of naive teenagers about the superiority of my political beliefs and attempt to humiliate him. However, if he wants to disrupt class, I’ll make sure there is a price to pay for both disrupting class and affecting other students’ learning.

Man I have to stop talking about teaching or I’ll want to go back! I believe it probably was my calling, but the immoral things I would have been required to teach…no thanks.
So just to clarify, you’d set up the curriculum for that day so that being silent would be considered “disruptive” then set it so that you’d punish them for being disruptive because you made them “disruptive”. That’s somewhere between pomposity, self-righteousness and being on a power trip.

If it wasn’t a discussion day how would their silence be disruptive and negatively affect other students’ learning?

What next, suspending students if they, in protest of a war their nation was waging that they found unjust, wore black armbands to school because that is “disruptive”?
 
Please, cite cite three cases in the past ten years of a heterosexual student being shot at for being heterosexual.
Are you not aware of how many fights go on in school over girls or boys. There are so many fights when two girls like the same boy. It is pretty vicious and the girls can be really nasty…
Yet I have never heard about any yearly rally opposing this. Remember Erin Gallagher in Ireland and Phoebe Prince in Massachusetts, both killed themselves - taunting and cyber bullying were main issues.

nydailynews.com/news/national/phoebe-prince-south-hadley-high-school-new-girl-driven-suicide-teenage-cyber-bullies-article-1.165911

We have many instances when boys shoot up the school killing or injuring many. There is never a mention of the student being gay so I assume most are heterosexual and are angered by something that was said to them or something that went on at the school.
 
In chastising the other poster, I think this is inviting students to run the show, which is a backward methodology.
I usually agree with anti-bullying programs, but agree that it’s not right for “students to run the show” and interfere with the planned educational process.
 
I don’t get it. It’s a Day of Silence but they talk about gay topics?:confused: I was hoping they would shut up for one day!
 
Are you not aware of how many fights go on in school over girls or boys. There are so many fights when two girls like the same boy. It is pretty vicious and the girls can be really nasty…
Yet I have never heard about any yearly rally opposing this. Remember Erin Gallagher in Ireland and Phoebe Prince in Massachusetts, both killed themselves - taunting and cyber bullying were main issues.

nydailynews.com/news/national/phoebe-prince-south-hadley-high-school-new-girl-driven-suicide-teenage-cyber-bullies-article-1.165911

We have many instances when boys shoot up the school killing or injuring many. There is never a mention of the student being gay so I assume most are heterosexual and are angered by something that was said to them or something that went on at the school.
I think you missed the point. How many examples can you list of heterosexuals being beaten or killed not in the process of living out their heterosexuality, but merely because they are heterosexual? Heterosexual adolescents don’t have to live in the same kind of fear that the religious have cultivated for homosexuals. Thankfully, as a heterosexual, I never had to go to school wondering whether a bunch of “godly” boys would choose that day to use their knuckles to enforce their religion all over my face.
 
So just to clarify, you’d set up the curriculum for that day so that being silent would be considered “disruptive” then set it so that you’d punish them for being disruptive because you made them “disruptive”. That’s somewhere between pomposity, self-righteousness and being on a power trip.
:rolleyes:
If it wasn’t a discussion day how would their silence be disruptive and negatively affect other students’ learning?
Because I have to call on students. If I accidentally call on the silent student, we all waste the time it takes for me to realize that he’s too good to answer the question like everybody else so I have to find somebody that isn’t disrupting the flow of my lecture.
What next, suspending students if they, in protest of a war their nation was waging that they found unjust, wore black armbands to school because that is “disruptive”?
Maybe. I certainly would not tolerate any treason in my classroom or bashing of the troops (you know, like was popular among students in the 60s: “Ho, Ho, Ho Chi Minh / The NLF is gonna win!”). In fact, on this day, I think it might be a good thing to go around the class and read the constitution aloud so students know about the laws of this nation shared by all citizens.
 
I don’t get it. It’s a Day of Silence but they talk about gay topics?:confused: I was hoping they would shut up for one day!
Who would shut up? Our teenagers are the future, not the past - they need every opportunity to learn what it means to see both sides of an argument and to not shut down just because they don’t agree with the majority position. Most teachers I worked with require essays concerning the issues involved with the DOS. Some of the personal stories that I read were heartbreaking - kids on the verge of suicide and almost total despair. I also read an essay written by a skinhead that made by blood run cold. 😦
 
I think you missed the point. How many examples can you list of heterosexuals being beaten or killed not in the process of living out their heterosexuality, but merely because they are heterosexual? Heterosexual adolescents don’t have to live in the same kind of fear that the religious have cultivated for homosexuals. Thankfully, as a heterosexual, I never had to go to school wondering whether a bunch of “godly” boys would choose that day to use their knuckles to enforce their religion all over my face.
It’s funny, when I was in school I never saw any bullying of homosexuals, even though I grew up in what gets call the “bible belt” of my neck of the woods. The bullying I received for being a Catholic was rather constant, along with the other minority religions who were also bullied.

However in this nation bullying religious minorities is something the president seems to approve of, whether it’s through supposed anti-bullying activists like Dan Savage who harangue naive high school kids because of their faith and receive government funding, or trying to forcing little old nuns to pay for and distribute artificial contraception. So I expect the bullying to continue for little catholics about their nazi pope, pedo priests etc. etc.
 
Maybe. I certainly would not tolerate any treason in my classroom or bashing of the troops (you know, like was popular among students in the 60s: “Ho, Ho, Ho Chi Minh / The NLF is gonna win!”). In fact, on this day, I think it might be a good thing to go around the class and read the constitution aloud so students know about the laws of this nation shared by all citizens.
Let me know when you find that infamous section in the Constitution that says, “my country, right or wrong.” 😛
 
Are you not aware of how many fights go on in school over girls or boys. There are so many fights when two girls like the same boy. It is pretty vicious and the girls can be really nasty…
Yet I have never heard about any yearly rally opposing this. Remember Erin Gallagher in Ireland and Phoebe Prince in Massachusetts, both killed themselves - taunting and cyber bullying were main issues.

nydailynews.com/news/national/phoebe-prince-south-hadley-high-school-new-girl-driven-suicide-teenage-cyber-bullies-article-1.165911

We have many instances when boys shoot up the school killing or injuring many. There is never a mention of the student being gay so I assume most are heterosexual and are angered by something that was said to them or something that went on at the school.
Were any of those over merely being heterosexual?
:rolleyes:

Because I have to call on students. If I accidentally call on the silent student, we all waste the time it takes for me to realize that he’s too good to answer the question like everybody else so I have to find somebody that isn’t disrupting the flow of my lecture.
Too bad they can’t just do something like wear a purple armband.
Maybe. I certainly would not tolerate any treason in my classroom or bashing of the troops (you know, like was popular among students in the 60s: “Ho, Ho, Ho Chi Minh / The NLF is gonna win!”). In fact, on this day, I think it might be a good thing to go around the class and read the constitution aloud so students know about the laws of this nation shared by all citizens.
G. K. Chesterton said:
“My country, right or wrong,” is a thing that no patriot would think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying, “My mother, drunk or sober.”
 
Are you not aware of how many fights go on in school over girls or boys. There are so many fights when two girls like the same boy. It is pretty vicious and the girls can be really nasty…
Yet I have never heard about any yearly rally opposing this. Remember Erin Gallagher in Ireland and Phoebe Prince in Massachusetts, both killed themselves - taunting and cyber bullying were main issues.

nydailynews.com/news/national/phoebe-prince-south-hadley-high-school-new-girl-driven-suicide-teenage-cyber-bullies-article-1.165911

We have many instances when boys shoot up the school killing or injuring many. There is never a mention of the student being gay so I assume most are heterosexual and are angered by something that was said to them or something that went on at the school.
originally posted by Joie de Vivre
Were any of those over merely being heterosexual?
Yes, girls fighting over males has been a major problem in schools at the high school level.

These are heterosexual problems so I don’t the double standard.
 
Let me appoint a few supreme court justices and they’ll find it in there for me. 😃
:D:D

Love the comeback.

Here’s another teacher’s issue on this Day of Silence

I personally believe this is another example of the gay rights movement being bad winners and imposing their message through a display of coercion.

From GLSEN’s Bullying In School

Interesting short read. Read the whole thing, including this link GLSEN’s toxic reading list eroticizes children
, when the then “Safe Schools” czar Kevin Jennings rolled out his brilliant anti bullying program. Nope, that was no propaganda.

Talk about really disgusting.
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It is reasonable to debate the appropriateness of the day of silence. It is reasonable to debate terminology like “anti-bullying”, “gay rights”, “activist”, “agenda” or whatever. If a person feels like it puts the children in charge of the classroom, undermining the purpose and function of school, it would be reasonable, if so motivated, to make that case to the administration and advocate a different policy. But to use a position of authority to PUNISH CHILDREN because they disagree with you politically is unethical. I’m glad the poster who suggested it is no longer in teaching. He deserves public chastising.
Not punishing the children but rather not accommodating their insubordinate behavior. If you are a parent of a child in such a school, your best course of action would be to keep your kids at home and make sure that the absence is counted as “excused” (under threat of legal action if necessary). If you are a teacher, you just teach your class as you ordinarily would. If it’s quiz day, don’t change it. If you give credit for class participation, the “silent” ones don’t get credit. There is no need to give more power to the administration to approve or disapprove of your non-participation in a protest that has absolutely nothing to do with education.
 
Yes, girls fighting over males has been a major problem in schools at the high school level.

These are heterosexual problems so I don’t the double standard.
Or the twist we had here recently.

The only incident in my kids’ school that involved a weapon last year was a girl who pulled a knife on a guy after finding out that the girl they were both pursuing was not homosexual. So, yeah, the attack was because of the couple being heterosexual.
 
The protestants already “walked out” in the 1500’s, so their is nothing new from them ad nauseum. Allying oneself with error gains a person/group nothing in the next world.

However, I agree with days of silence for those who have received more than the scripturally permitted expressions of societal shunning methods for individuals who are obstinate to change their state of disposition. I think on the meeting agenda it could include the speaker take up appointments for pastoral care and spiritual direction for those who are sincere in changing their lifestyle.
 
Quite honestly, as a person who was bullied in school, anti-bullying tactics are important. But, if you read the notes on the “Day of Silence” cards completely, they specifically single out bullying against homosexual students as what they are protesting. In effect, it can seem to some to imply that bullying for any other reason is okay - it’s just bullying against people for their sexual attractions to be wrong. In fact, that’s the biggest problem with a lot of the anti-bullying campaigns - they focus too much on bullying due to sexual attraction and not enough on the multitude of reasons why children (or adults) bully others.

BTW, I know this is off topic, but the same schools that promote “Days of Silence” for anti-gay bullying often forbid similar promotions for the protection of unborn children.
 
Quite honestly, as a person who was bullied in school, anti-bullying tactics are important. But, if you read the notes on the “Day of Silence” cards completely, they specifically single out bullying against homosexual students as what they are protesting. ** In effect, it can seem to some to imply that bullying for any other reason is okay** - it’s just bullying against people for their sexual attractions to be wrong. In fact, that’s the biggest problem with a lot of the anti-bullying campaigns - they focus too much on bullying due to sexual attraction and not enough on the multitude of reasons why children (or adults) bully others.

BTW, I know this is off topic, but the same schools that promote “Days of Silence” for anti-gay bullying often forbid similar promotions for the protection of unborn children.
So what, an anti-lynching policy is a tacit endorsement of violence against women?
 
I think you missed the point. How many examples can you list of heterosexuals being beaten or killed not in the process of living out their heterosexuality, but merely because they are heterosexual?..
That is GLSEN propaganda. Why assault and battery, homicides happen only the victim and their killer(s) know. But GLSEN thinks harassment, sex abuse, stalking and child molestation are OK when it’s homosexual/lesbian. GLSEN predictably supports Milk day. Harvey Bernard Milk or HB. Milk is GLSEN’s most famous victim-killed in 1978. HB. Milk sexually abused a 16 year old boy in 1964. GLSEN sees no wrong with HB Milk committing molestation on a 16 year old boy but talk of him being a gay bashing victim.
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Other proof is most homosexuals think harassment, exposure and stalking are OK when it’s committed by homosexuals. The Lawrence Fobes King case in Calif. 15 year old boy Lawrence Fobes King (who wanted to be transexual) in 2008, Lawrence Fobes King exposed himself and harassed other boys for sex in the bathroom. When complaints were made about Lawrence Fobes King, the lesbian VP refused to expel him. 1 boy who had enough of Lawrence Fobes King’s harassment shot and killed him in class in February 2008. GLSEN saw nothing wrong with Lawrence Fobes King exposing himself and harassing others. If the school had expelled Lawrence Fobes King when complaints were made, his February 2008 killing would likely not have happened-they should have tried to help cure Lawrence Fobes King of transexuality.

Incidentally, we know what was reported, but it’s possible Lawrence Fobes King had molested young boys only that it did not get reported. If a homosexual does something wrong such as go into public restrooms to ask men for sex, that homosexual must go to jail for it. Men do not need to say no to this, if a person is willing to harass a person for sex, then it’s likely there are other things you don’t know. A homosexual who is harassing a teenage boy could be a Sandusky. Again, homosexual Walter Lee Hampton says that he has seen it a thousand times of homosexuals harassing teenage boys. Harassment is illegal and people must do what they can to end this because when you don’t, that’s when you get cases such as JerryA. Sandusky.

GLSEN is also an apologist for sex changes and transexuality-transexuals are the mutilated homosexuals and lesbians-abolish this. If a person has a drug/alcohol problem, the right thing to do is treat this. There is something wrong with a man thinking he is a woman or a woman thinking she is a man. It is mutilation with dangerous hormones. Most transexuals were sexually abused in childhood which messed up their minds. I’m against sex changes for same reason as oppose trying to make a White person Black or viceversa because they think theyre another race, it doesn’t take an expert to know that hormone shots + the maiming surgery damages body. If they knew how to change skin color, they would be making justifications for changing color of people who think they are of other race as they now do for sex changes. Transexuals have antisocial personalities because the hormone shots and hormone pills o damage mind. The lifetime of hormone shots and pills are linked to cancer.

1 would hope that feminists would oppose the mutilation, yet most feminists are not condemning genital and breast mutilation as what happened to Chastity where her healthy breasts were mutilated, dangerous hormone shots and genitals mutilated. Those denying link between childhood sex abuse and adult gay/lesbian behaviors, transexuality are usually gay, lesbian or a sympathizer. But any behavior including sexual can be learned. Sex abuse in youth can cause people to behave in ways. It’s not controversial to talk of nightmares, suicides, bedwetting often a result of sex abuse in youth. Yet when 1 talks gay/lesbian behaviors and transexuality in adulthood because they learned this sexual behavior by being repeatedly molested, then gays with politically safe psychologists complain. The politically correct psychologists who deny this know it’s possible for a boy to turn out gay as a result of childhood sex abuse, yet deny what they know is true. Of course, not all who are sexually abused in youth become gay in adulthood-but the risk is higher. Many transexual gays and lesbians who commit suicide do so because they often were childhood sex abuse victims and have other copathologies such as antisocial conduct, drugs, etc. Homosexual groups will use the mantra societal attitudes but it’s more complicated. People who have suffered sex abuse (which many transexual gays and lesbians have) in youth often have problems in adulthood and this includes suicides. GLSEN is an apologist for childhood sex abuse when it’s homosexual/lesbian with their apologism for HB. Milk and GLSEN is an apologist for sex changes.
 
That is GLSEN propaganda. Why assault and battery, homicides happen only the victim and their killer(s) know. But GLSEN thinks harassment, sex abuse, stalking and child molestation are OK when it’s homosexual/lesbian. GLSEN predictably supports Milk day. Harvey Bernard Milk or HB. Milk is GLSEN’s most famous victim-killed in 1978. HB. Milk sexually abused a 16 year old boy in 1964. GLSEN sees no wrong with HB Milk committing molestation on a 16 year old boy but talk of him being a gay bashing victim.
When Harvey Milk started his relationship with that “boy” he was 17 or 18, for reference New York’s Age of Consent now is 17 and according to the Catechism a 16 year old male is capable of contracting a marriage.

I think that relationship was extremely distasteful, but there is no need to write libelous things.
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Other proof is most homosexuals think harassment, exposure and stalking are OK when it’s committed by homosexuals. The Lawrence Fobes King case in Calif. 15 year old boy Lawrence Fobes King (who wanted to be transexual) in 2008, Lawrence Fobes King exposed himself and harassed other boys for sex in the bathroom. When complaints were made about Lawrence Fobes King, the lesbian VP refused to expel him. 1 boy who had enough of Lawrence Fobes King’s harassment shot and killed him in class in February 2008. GLSEN saw nothing wrong with Lawrence Fobes King exposing himself and harassing others. If the school had expelled Lawrence Fobes King when complaints were made, his February 2008 killing would likely not have happened-they should have tried to help cure Lawrence Fobes King of transexuality.
I can’t find anything from a reputable source suggesting that at any point he solicited anyone for sex, the closest I can find is that when he was teased for his effeminacy he flirted with the bullies (terrible idea, but not even close to grounds for murder).

McInerney was a troubled child (his family was a abusive) who had a passion for drawing Nazi symbols. King asked McInerney to be his Valentine (again, terrible idea, but not even close to grounds for murder) so McInerney tried to get kids to beat up King. McInerney failed at that. The next day McInerney shot King twice.

Being transgender isn’t something that can be “cured” however there were certainly a number of ways in which King could have benefited from a psychologist.
Incidentally, we know what was reported, but it’s possible Lawrence Fobes King had molested young boys only that it did not get reported. If a homosexual does something wrong such as go into public restrooms to ask men for sex, that homosexual must go to jail for it. Men do not need to say no to this, if a person is willing to harass a person for sex, then it’s likely there are other things you don’t know. A homosexual who is harassing a teenage boy could be a Sandusky. Again, homosexual Walter Lee Hampton says that he has seen it a thousand times of homosexuals harassing teenage boys. Harassment is illegal and people must do what they can to end this because when you don’t, that’s when you get cases such as JerryA. Sandusky.
You’re really going to speculate on whether King molested children? I wish women could get men who ask us for sex could get those pigs sent to jail.
GLSEN is also an apologist for sex changes and transexuality-transexuals are the mutilated homosexuals and lesbians-abolish this. If a person has a drug/alcohol problem, the right thing to do is treat this. There is something wrong with a man thinking he is a woman or a woman thinking she is a man. It is mutilation with dangerous hormones. Most transexuals were sexually abused in childhood which messed up their minds. I’m against sex changes for same reason as oppose trying to make a White person Black or viceversa because they think theyre another race, it doesn’t take an expert to know that hormone shots + the maiming surgery damages body. If they knew how to change skin color, they would be making justifications for changing color of people who think they are of other race as they now do for sex changes. Transexuals have antisocial personalities because the hormone shots and hormone pills o damage mind. The lifetime of hormone shots and pills are linked to cancer.
Gender dysphoria hasn’t been shown to be treatable by anything other than transitioning.

Most transexuals were NOT abused as children, that’s just libel. Many were however abused as children by their parents, usually because they were gender nonconformist. Is there something “wrong” with transgender people that causes them to be that way? Under or overmasculinization of the brain appears to be the cause (the former in transwomen, the latter in transmen).

HRT is not usually done as a shot, normally it is taken in pill form. With regards to the “danger” of those hormones, overall it increases life expectancy.

The hormones don’t cause antisocial personality disorder, many transgender people start abusing substances as a coping mechanism while still in the closet , that addiction later causes it, therefore it is actually the closet that causes antisocial personality disorder.

There is so much wrong in that post that I’ve given up addressing it all, perhaps Rin can finish addressing it.
 
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