Gay Marriage (A Different Perspective)

[Brendan]

First of all, I love the name Brendan – it’s also the name of one of our grandsons!

I don’t know who makes the decisions about who “has a place in the Church,” but unless you are my parish priest (at least,) I don’t think it’s you, Brendan.

I said “individualism” not “individual”. IndividualISM (note the ISM) is not a mode of Catholic thought. We are all in this together, therefore we all responsible for helping to correct each other and to follow more closely the teachings of the Christ and His Church.

Maybe I’m wrong – but I just don’t think it’s my right or duty to go up to gay couples and inform them they are in danger of not receiving the gift of eternal life. I think that is neither loving nor Christian.

Why not, it is true after all. God is Love and God is Truth, the two cannot be seperated. Telling someone that actions they perform are putting their immortal soul in jeporday IS a loving act. In fact, as I mentioned before, it is actually a Spiritual Work of Mercy.

Christ ate and drank with sinners, and He deeply Loved them.But at no point did He ever affirm their sin. In fact, He did the opposite, He pointed it out to them so that they could percieve it as sin and repent.

You mentioned the part about casting Stones. But remember how Christ ended the story, he told the sinner to “Go and sin no more”. We are called to be Christ like in that respect too, to tell those who are in sin that they should sin no more.

 

[Leetoy]

Well the opposite of Straight is Crooked. The meaning and synonyms of Crooked in the dictionary is bent or twisted; not straight or aligned; dishonest or illegal. While the meaning and synonyms of Straight is not bent or bowed; right; correct; orderly; not deviating from what is considered socially normal, usual, or acceptable. We who do not believe and do not agree of the same sex marriage are straight. We are normal. We are following a direct or correct method as the Catholic church do. That marriage is a union of singles and opposite sex, a man and a woman. Beyond that is an abomination to the Lord and to us Catholics. The church shall not and will not and cannot be pressured by same sex marriage. Even the gates of hell will never prevail against it, Jesus promised that. And the Catholic church is we are. Over our dead body that we allow same sex marriage to enter the church. Because satan entered into the decision by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1973 of Roe v. Wade case legalizing abortion; abortion and same sex marriage due to so much freedom/democarcy in this land of the free that even those beyond normal are permitted and legislated and legalized thus bad consequences or punishment had brought into Uncle Sam on September 11, 2001 were a series of coordinated suicide attacks upon the United States when two airliners intentionally crashed into the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center in New York City, killing everyone on board and many others working in the buildings. Both buildings collapsed within two hours, destroying at least two nearby buildings and damaging others. And other intentional airliners crashes that day. There were no survivors from any of the flights. 2,974 victims and the 19 hijackers died in the attacks.
In August 29, 2005, when Hurricane Katrina devastated the Gulf Coast. Hurricanes Rita and Wilma followed. Thousands of people fled their homes, huge sections of New Orleans disappeared under floodwaters. Katrina and subsequent flooding caused severe damage along the Gulf Coast, killing more than 1,500 people.,
In Oct. 27, 2007, the wild fires, ‘the California inferno’ in Southern California had raged through 500,000 acres, inspiring the largest-scale human evacuation in the state’s history. have brought Mother Nature’s revenge upon ourselves. Some half-million residents were displaced from their homes over six days, and more than 1,800 homes went up in flames. Eighty people were injured, and the death toll stands at seven. All told, more than a billion dollars of property damage it had caused, a force of nature. How many more tragedies will come till the people and gays will know and learn the signs of the times so they will stay away from sinning and wrongdoing, and so on. In Matthew 16:3 - “And in the morning: Today there will be a storm, for the sky is red and lowering. You know then how to discern the face of the sky: and can you not know the signs of the times?”

 

[StAnastasia]

I guess I never thought of it exactly like that before, but I’ve been thinking, and I know of no homosexuals who were raised by homosexuals either. I asked the partner of my niece when she knew she was attracted to women. Her reply to me, after thinking about it was, “Probably about the same time you realized you were attracted to men.” There’s lots we don’t know, and I’m sure scientists are working on finding out why some of us are same-sex attracted.Alisa

Alisa, it could be multifactorial. The family/genetic studies I’ve read show a statistical correlation within families in the case of male homosexuality: a gay man is more likely to have a gay uncle than is a non-gay man. But there are also hormonal studies that suggest that third sons are much more likely to be gay than fist or second sons. The reason could be that estrogen levels are higher in the mother’s blood after two pregnancies.

I find it interesting that your niece knew her orientation so early. Without exception my male gray friends knew they were homosexual at the same age their male straight friends knew they were heterosexual – at puberty. Perhaps the timing of discovering sexuality is different for lesbians; one friend of mine didn’t realize it until her late twenties.

StAnastasia

 

[Leetoy]

Well the opposite of Straight is Crooked. The meaning and synonyms of Crooked in the dictionary is bent or twisted; not straight or aligned; dishonest or illegal. While the meaning and synonyms of Straight is not bent or bowed; right; correct; orderly; not deviating from what is considered socially normal, usual, or acceptable. We who do not believe and do not agree of the same sex marriage are straight. We are normal. We are following a direct or correct method as the Catholic church do. That marriage is a union of singles and opposite sex, a man and a woman. Beyond that is an abomination to the Lord and to us Catholics. The church shall not and will not and cannot be pressured by same sex marriage. Even the gates of hell will never prevail against it, Jesus promised that. And the Catholic church is we are. Over our dead body that we allow same sex marriage to enter the church. Because satan entered into the decision by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1973 of Roe v. Wade case legalizing abortion; abortion and same sex marriage due to so much freedom/democarcy in this land of the free that even those beyond normal are permitted and legislated and legalized thus bad consequences or punishment had brought into Uncle Sam on September 11, 2001 were a series of coordinated suicide attacks upon the United States when two airliners intentionally crashed into the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center in New York City, killing everyone on board and many others working in the buildings. Both buildings collapsed within two hours, destroying at least two nearby buildings and damaging others. And other intentional airliners crashes that day. There were no survivors from any of the flights. 2,974 victims and the 19 hijackers died in the attacks.
In August 29, 2005, when Hurricane Katrina devastated the Gulf Coast. Hurricanes Rita and Wilma followed. Thousands of people fled their homes, huge sections of New Orleans disappeared under floodwaters. Katrina and subsequent flooding caused severe damage along the Gulf Coast, killing more than 1,500 people.,
In Oct. 27, 2007, the wild fires, ‘the California inferno’ in Southern California had raged through 500,000 acres, inspiring the largest-scale human evacuation in the state’s history. have brought Mother Nature’s revenge upon ourselves. Some half-million residents were displaced from their homes over six days, and more than 1,800 homes went up in flames. Eighty people were injured, and the death toll stands at seven. All told, more than a billion dollars of property damage it had caused, it was a force of nature; punishment for such abomination caused by abortion and same sex marriage and its being legalized. When do you stop offending the Lord? How many more tragedies will come till the people, government officials and gays will know and learn the signs of the times so they will stay away from sinning and wrongdoing, and so on. Abortion and same sex marriage should be outlawed for good. In Matthew 16:3 - “And in the morning: Today there will be a storm, for the sky is red and lowering. You know then how to discern the face of the sky: and can you not know the signs of the times?”

 

[SHW]

My entire parish is CINO, including the priests. In fact, considering that most people I know and respect and love are CINOs, given a choice I would prefer to spend eternity with them rather than with a smiter.

Why bother calling yourself “Catholic?” You will get your wish. You will all spend eternity together in hell, unless some of you escape by repenting before death and then living Godly lives until death.

2 Timothy 2:19 " But God’s firm foundation stands, bearing this seal: “The Lord knows those who are his,” and, “Let every one who names the name of the Lord depart from iniquity.” If you call yourself a Christian (names the name of the Lord), then you are not allowed to sin homosexual sins, etc.

2 Thessalonians 3:6 “But we command you, brethren, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you withdraw from every brother who walks disorderly and not according to the tradition which he received from us.”
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Since this is not what interests you, then why are you here? We cannot endorse your beliefs without denying ours and we will not be denying our beliefs in order to be politically correct and please the CINOs.

We are warned in Scripture about priests (wolves in shepherd’s clothing) such as yours:

Acts 20:28-30 “Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood. 29 For I know this, that after my departure savage wolves will come in among you, not sparing the flock. 30 Also from among yourselves men will rise up, speaking perverse things, to draw away the disciples after themselves.”

I warn; I do not smite. This is my Catholic Christian duty.

 

[StAnastasia]

How many more tragedies will come till the people and gays will know and learn the signs of the times so they will stay away from sinning and wrongdoing, and so on. In Matthew 16:3 - “And in the morning: Today there will be a storm, for the sky is red and lowering. You know then how to discern the face of the sky: and can you not know the signs of the times?”

Leetoy, do you have any evidence that the victims of the World Trade Center collapse were predominantly homosexual? Do you have any evidence that Hurricane Katrina targeted homosexual people rather than heterosexuals? Do you have any explanation for why the Southern California wildfires burned neighborhoods of affluent heterosexual families, rather than neighborhoods where homosexuals live? If God is targeting gay people with these disasters but hitting non-gay people instead, maybe God’s aim is not too accurate or God’s geographical information is out of date!

\StAnastasia

 

[Leetoy]

Well the opposite of Straight is Crooked. The meaning and synonyms of Crooked in the dictionary is bent or twisted; not straight or aligned; dishonest or illegal. While the meaning and synonyms of Straight is not bent or bowed; right; correct; orderly; not deviating from what is considered socially normal, usual, or acceptable. We who do not believe and do not agree of the same sex marriage are straight. We are normal. We are following a direct or correct method as the Catholic church do. That marriage is a union of singles and opposite sex, a man and a woman. Beyond that is an abomination to the Lord and to us Catholics. The church shall not and will not and cannot be pressured by same sex marriage. Even the gates of hell will never prevail against it, Jesus promised that. And the Catholic church is we are. Over our dead body that we allow same sex marriage to enter the church. Because satan entered into the decision by the U.S. Supreme Court in 1973 of Roe v. Wade case legalizing abortion; abortion and same sex marriage due to so much freedom/democarcy in this land of the free that even those beyond normal are permitted and legislated and legalized thus bad consequences or punishment had brought into Uncle Sam on September 11, 2001 were a series of coordinated suicide attacks upon the United States when two airliners intentionally crashed into the Twin Towers of the World Trade Center in New York City, killing everyone on board and many others working in the buildings. Both buildings collapsed within two hours, destroying at least two nearby buildings and damaging others. And other intentional airliners crashes that day. There were no survivors from any of the flights. 2,974 victims and the 19 hijackers died in the attacks.
In August 29, 2005, when Hurricane Katrina devastated the Gulf Coast. Hurricanes Rita and Wilma followed. Thousands of people fled their homes, huge sections of New Orleans disappeared under floodwaters. Katrina and subsequent flooding caused severe damage along the Gulf Coast, killing more than 1,500 people.,
In Oct. 27, 2007, the wild fires, ‘the California inferno’ in Southern California had raged through 500,000 acres, inspiring the largest-scale human evacuation in the state’s history. have brought Mother Nature’s revenge upon ourselves. Some half-million residents were displaced from their homes over six days, and more than 1,800 homes went up in flames. Eighty people were injured, and the death toll stands at seven. All told, more than a billion dollars of property damage it had caused, it was a force of nature; punishment for such abomination caused by abortion and same sex marriage and its being legalized. When do you stop offending the Lord? How many more tragedies will come till the people, government officials and gays will know and learn the signs of the times so they will stay away from sinning and wrongdoing, and so on. Abortion and same sex marriage should be outlawed for good.
In Matthew 16:3 - “And in the morning: Today there will be a storm, for the sky is red and lowering. You know then how to discern the face of the sky: and can you not know the signs of the times?”

 

[Leetoy]

Abortion and same sex marriage are abomination to the Lord. They are also an abomination to us Catholics, an insult and abuse to the goodness of the Lord. For they are extremely wrong, heinous crimes. Luke 17:29 - “And in the day that Lot went out of Sodom, it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.”, Ezechiel 28:18 - “Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thy iniquities, and by the iniquity of thy traffic: therefore I will bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, to devour thee, and I will make thee as ashes upon the earth in the sight of all that see thee.”

 

[Leetoy]

Abortion and same sex marriage are public scandals. How about those little children and the innocent ones. How can we teach and raised them with good moral values if these scandals-abortion and same sex marriage would not be stopped and outlawed. These scandals are abomination to the Lord and to us Catholics. They should be outlawed for good. Luke Chapter 17:1 – “And he said to his disciples: It is impossible that scandals should not come: but woe to him through whom they come. 2 It were better for him, that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should scandalize one of these little ones.”

 

[SHW]

Leetoy, do you have any evidence that the victims of the World Trade Center collapse were predominantly homosexual? Do you have any evidence that Hurricane Katrina targeted homosexual people rather than heterosexuals? Do you have any explanation for why the Southern California wildfires burned neighborhoods of affluent heterosexual families, rather than neighborhoods where homosexuals live? If God is targeting gay people with these disasters but hitting non-gay people instead, maybe God’s aim is not too accurate or God’s geographical information is out of date!

\StAnastasia

You are irreverent. Shame on you!

Unfortunately, all persons suffer, both good and evil, for the “sins of mankind.” This is what I stated in a previous post. (2 Chronicles 7:12-14)

Matthew 5:44-45 " But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you, 45 so that you may be sons of your Father who is in heaven; for he makes his sun rise on the evil and on the good, and sends rain on the just and on the unjust."

 

[StAnastasia]

Abortion and same sex marriage are public scandals. How about those little children and the innocent ones. How can we teach and raised them with good moral values if these scandals-abortion and same sex marriage would not be stopped and outlawed. These scandals are abomination to the Lord and to us Catholics. They should be outlawed for good. Luke Chapter 17:1 – “And he said to his disciples: It is impossible that scandals should not come: but woe to him through whom they come. 2 It were better for him, that a millstone were hanged about his neck, and he cast into the sea, than that he should scandalize one of these little ones.”

Is your failure to reply to post # 844 an admission that homosexuality did not cause Hurricane Katrina or the California wildfires or the World Trade Center collapse?

 

[StAnastasia]

You are irreverent. Shame on you!

Woe to you, Pharisees with no sense of humour! An plague of jokes shall descend upon your houses.

 

[Alisa]

Why bother calling yourself “Catholic?” You will get your wish. You will all spend eternity together in hell, unless some of you escape by repenting before death and then living Godly lives until death.

**
This is a Catholic Forum. It was created to help people to learn about the Catholic faith and help them to live the Catholic faith in order for them to inherit eternal life.**

Since this is not what interests you, then why are you here? We cannot endorse your beliefs without denying ours and we will not be denying our beliefs in order to be politically correct and please the CINOs.

I warn; I do not smite. This is my Catholic Christian duty.

SHW, there is more to being a Catholic than being puffed up with self righteousness; at least I always thought there was until I encountered you and one or two others on this forum. Do you actually say to gay people in the streets that they will not “inherit the kingdom of heaven” unless they repent? I would love to be paint on the wall to witness their reaction to THAT information.

So you are telling StAnastasia she shouldn’t call herself “Catholic” and informing her that she will “spend eternity in hell”. In one post you suggested I should become Methodist. Sounds as if you now are fancying yourself the Pope. I wonder if he would enjoying hearing his role is being usurped by one such as yourself, so filled with venom.

By saying those of us who disagree with your fundamentalist views are only trying to be “politically correct and pleasing the CINOs,” you only demonstrate how little you understand about the true message of Christ.

I will pray for you, SHW.

Alisa

 

[Alisa]

SHW, I’m sorry, it was Ferde Rombola who suggested I should become Methodist, not you! I apologize. Your posts and his are so similar I get them mixed up sometimes!

Alisa

 

[StAnastasia]

Why bother calling yourself “Catholic?” You will get your wish. You will all spend eternity together in hell, unless some of you escape by repenting before death and then living Godly lives until death.

That may be so, but we will be together. And in any case, if one of my sweet sons turned out to be gay, I could never be happy living for eternity in “heaven” without him, knowing he was separated from me in hell. I would much rather be with my son, and accept him for who he is!

StAnastasia

 

[edwest2]

No doubt that’s true for Catholics. But you don’t understand my point: as long as society at large excludes the LGBT community from equal legal protection and recognition, securing “marriage” will be identified by LGBTs as the goal. If we don’t want to perpetuate gay marriage campaigns, get the state out of the marriage business and grant civil unions across the board.

“equal legal protection” What are you talking about? When a gay person calls 911, does the operator ask for their sexual orientation? When I worked in health care, I brought a lot of people up from the ER. Nothing about sexual orientation on their chart or request form.

“civil unions” What is that? A cohabitating fornicating couple? Use plain English.

If by we you mean Catholics, I’m positive Catholics did not start this idea of gay marriage.

Peace,
Ed

 

[StAnastasia]

I’m positive Catholics did not start this idea of gay marriage.
Peace,Ed

I quite agree!

 

[StAnastasia]

“civil unions” What is that? A cohabitating fornicating couple? Use plain English.Peace,Ed

“cohabitating fornicating couple” is not “plain English,” as it carries a moral judgment from a particular religious tradfion. “Civil union” could be defined in a variety of ways – how would you define it?

 

[PrincessKatrina]

“equal legal protection” What are you talking about? When a gay person calls 911, does the operator ask for their sexual orientation? When I worked in health care, I brought a lot of people up from the ER. Nothing about sexual orientation on their chart or request form.

“civil unions” What is that? A cohabitating fornicating couple? Use plain English.

If by we you mean Catholics, I’m positive Catholics did not start this idea of gay marriage.

Peace,
Ed

Civil Union = The Legal Contract side of Marriage. The part that governs ownership of property, right to make decisions about the other in event of severe injury or death, and many other legal rights that have nothing to do with any religious belief whatsoever.

Cohabitating fornicating couples =/= any kind of legal contract involved.

 

[edwest2]

Civil Union = The Legal Contract side of Marriage. The part that governs ownership of property, right to make decisions about the other in event of severe injury or death, and many other legal rights that have nothing to do with any religious belief whatsoever.

Cohabitating fornicating couples =/= any kind of legal contract involved.

You are incorrect. This is about legalizing gay sex. You are also incorrect about what you call legal rights. Right now, it is possible to be another person’s guardian, to have power of attorney and a will can be drawn up to transfer property.

The subject is the desire for gay people to be married and recognized 100% like straight people. The biology is not there. As far as I am aware, no one who wants gay marriage will settle for a civil union. None.

And yes, this has to do with the character of the entire country. Once again, no 911 operator asks for your sexual orientation before sending police or fire personnel to you.

Peace,
Ed