Gay Marriage (A Different Perspective)

[Elizabeth502]

Civil marriage is not an institution, it is a covenant that allows certain rights and privileges to another partner. Marriage is also a right, there are plenty of court cases showcasing this in the case of prison authorities attempting to bar a marriage to a prisoner.

There is no “covenant” language in our laws concerning marriage. (There is covenant language in other categories of law, though.) This is just another attempt to hijack the language for political purposes.

Marriage is not a constitutional right. It has been extended to homosexuals now in a few states, given that that is the privilege of a state to extend or to deny.

The marriage between a prisoner and a non-prisoner is a heterosexual marriage. (Just another attempt to confuse the issue.)

There is no absolute or inherent right, stated or implied in our founding documents, to marry whomever one wishes to.

The fact that Social Security is extended to children is neither here nor there in the marriage argument. SS also is immediately extended to the widow, alone, in the event of her husband’s death. Additionally, it is extended to her children. I don’t need a lecture on this, and it’s completely off-topic.

 

[Elizabeth502]

Speaking of animals & marriage, we’re getting close…

www.fox8.com/wjw-bearbestman-txt,0,5657552.story

 

[Texas_Roofer]

You would also not support 70% of civil marriages.

I assume you are referring to marriages when one or both parties has recorded a marriage before (minus widows) ? Actually if you think about what the Church teaches, that marriage bonds for life, then it is reasonable to see these civil marriages are not real marriages but actually fornication. These fornications often result in children who grow up without biological parent present to care for them. So I hope you’re not asking us to support parents abandoning their children? This is one of the reasons the church teaches as it does concerning marriage. The other part is why would you want to abondon your spouse? If you marry properly your spouse is part of you.

 

[TracyJ]

I support Gay marriage.
It’s a non-issue to me.
As far as comparing humans marrying other humans to animals…I find that VERY disrespectful and cruel…on the lines of comparing African Americans to monkeys.

 

[TracyJ]

Thank you for replying back to my post. And may God bless you. I still haven’t come out to my parents about being a lesbian but they don’t have a problem with gays. However I think it is different when you have a gay friend versus a family member.

I hope not. I would hate to think that any of my family members wouldn’t feel safe in
disclosing their sexual orientation to me.
If you feel it necessary to come out to your parents write them a letter first and remember to support them as you are coming out.
Your mom probably already knows.

 

[TracyJ]

Because sodomy is a sin that cries out to heaven. It has been set apart from other sins such as adultery even though they are serious and grave sins also.
**1867 **The catechetical tradition also recalls that there are “sins that cry to heaven”: the blood of Abel,139 the sin of the Sodomites,140 the cry of the people oppressed in Egypt,141 the cry of the foreigner, the widow, and the orphan,142 injustice to the wage earner.143

What did Jesus say about it?

 

[ladybri77]

Actually the spirit of the Constitution does allow for SSM, its a natural right for anyone to choice another concenting adult to be their partner. While Locke would have thought it was wrong to have SSM, he would have agreed it was their right since it is socially acceptable and legal to be Gay.

HIV is not only a US issue, while it is prodominent with Gay men in the US, they are not the majority of victims worldwide. But SSM would infact remove this stigma.

So I could marry my father? We would be two consenting adults…

While true your above statement about HIV, is your argument furthering the mistruth by spectrm that gay sex is somehow healthy? Wouldn’t the above fact demonstrate then that it intially being spread by gay men in the U.S. show that it’s not healthy?

 

[TracyJ]

I was wondering that, too. We have a moral imperative to vote against such things.

If you believe in your heart that this is how God is directing you then you have to follow
your conscience.
I believe differently.

 

[ladybri77]

What did Jesus say about it?

Jesus spoke against perversion in the New Testament.

 

[TracyJ]

Jesus spoke against perversion in the New Testament.

What did He say about homosexuals specfically?

 

[ladybri77]

Finally someone else with some sense.

People, understand…nothing about gay marriage will allow people to marry animals because animals can’t consent to anything in a legal sense…they’re not ‘people’ according to the law…and there are biological reasons to prevent people of the same family to marry.

There are no biological risks and no lack of consent in same-sex marriage. Nearly all STD transmission is through promiscuous sex…not inherently gay sex.

The stigma that all gay sex is promiscuous is ridiculous and only serves to show your ignorance of the subject. The same as the belief that HIV came over via gay males. This is not proven and even if it were could just have easily been brought over by a straight man…or straight woman.

The belief only serves to ostracize a population, most of which has always practiced sex in a safe and monogamous fashion. In either case, it’s a problem to be dealt with in all communities, now. But that’s WAY off topic.

If you believe that gay marriage should be legal, then you shouldn’t be arguing for ‘separate but equal’ with civil unions and marriage…we should remove marriage from the legal codes and leave it up to the churches. If marriage is truly your domain, as christians, then take it back by removing it from the perview of government.

Don’t you think there’s a reason that the HIV virus spread so rapidly initially by gay men? (Please look this fact up, it is TRUE). When you try to do things in an unnatural way, the way nature did not intend it, then there are always undesirable consequences. If you don’t believe me that anal sex damages blood vessels in the rectum and leaves the body open for the spread of more numerous diseases like HIV, then look it up please, it’s TRUE. Other than that, it’s really common sense.

Also, our nation was founded on Judeo-Christian values where there was never a need to “define” marriage.

 

[ladybri77]

What did He say about homosexuals specfically?

Homosexuality is a perversion.

Also, please read Romans 1 and see what is said about it there.

 

[Texas_Roofer]

So I could marry my father?

I think it would be your grandfather (first) and latter your grandchild. That would be to subvert the escrow laws, which would be a new focus of civil marriage. Did you know there was a problem with poor families having their aged civil war veterans marry young girls (like 13) to collect the war pension years after the veterans death? The last pension were paid in 2003 (union) & 2004 (confederate) 140 years after the war. Just another result of civil marriages not matching real marriages.
usatoday.com/news/nation/2004-05-31-war-widow_x.htm

 

[mommysedso]

If you are looking at it from a purely contract view. Then why could a person not form a contract with an animal, a child, etc. Contracts can be written up and signed by anyone. It only takes an X and as for the animal it belongs to another so if that person if o.k with the idea they could sign the contract for the animal. Homosexuality is not o.k. God believes unions should be between man and woman. I think it is summed up best this way. GOD is not a politically correct GOD, he will always love the sinner but will never tolerate the sin. To believe that GOD is o.k with bending “rules” to make mortals happy…then you are creating your own god. The bible goes into great detail about who GOD is and just because it doesn’t fit into today’s “tolerance” does not make it o.k.

 

[Captain_America]

I support Gay marriage.
It’s a non-issue to me.
As far as comparing humans marrying other humans to animals…I find that VERY disrespectful and cruel…on the lines of comparing African Americans to monkeys.

Homosexuality is a perversion and a great social evil. It’s not something to encourage.

 

[Elizabeth502]

There is also clearly here on this thread a simplistic & shallow understanding of “rights” by some posters untrained in law. Rights are governed not only by founding documents (which are broad more than they are specific), but also by context. That context includes rights of others who are definitely or likely affected by the granting of specific rights deriving from general principles. That’s why, when newly specific rights are enumerated, care is taken to consider rights of any dependents or minors, whenever such an explicit extension is considered.

An additional context of rights is existing social structures, as these structures affect the orderly running of a government (local, state, & federal) already in place. Unrestrained personal liberty is not the spirit of the founding documents, but liberty within order. Not to consider this would be to invite anarchy and chaos, which was explicitly opposed by our founders.

Thirdly, just as criminal law is partly based on common law, so is civil law partly based on a history of, and on common definitions of, particular rights. Rights do not spring up overnight.

 

[AmyBrownEyes]

Rom.1:26-28 reads 'God gave them over to shameful lusts. Even their women exchanged natural relations for unnatural ones. 27 In the same way men abandoned natural relations with womwn and were inflamed with lust for one another. Men committed indecent acts with other men and received in themselves the due penalty for their perversion. 28. Furthermore, since they did not think it worthwhile to retain the knowledge of God, he gave them over to a depraved mind to do what not ought to be done."

Jean,

I love God. I do know that homosexuality is a sin but I do not know if I believe God will abandon me and cast me into hell when I die. That would be like saying all the victims of gay hate crimes were abandoned by God and are now in hell. Thousands and thousands of people. Larry King, 15 was kille for being gay. I don’t believe God abandoned him I believe he is in Heaven or maybe Porgatory but not hell. I just think God sends gays to Purgatory and not hell. I hope that He doesn’t abandon us gays. We’re just different from straight people. I know that my place on this earth is to marry a man and have children. However, I am not physically attracted to men and I do not like being touched by men. However, I do want children someday. I have an aunt who has never married and she has no children she thinks of her nieces and nephews as children. God bless you Jean.

Amy

 

[Jermosh]

I assume you are referring to marriages when one or both parties has recorded a marriage before (minus widows) ? Actually if you think about what the Church teaches, that marriage bonds for life, then it is reasonable to see these civil marriages are not real marriages but actually fornication. These fornications often result in children who grow up without biological parent present to care for them. So I hope you’re not asking us to support parents abandoning their children? This is one of the reasons the church teaches as it does concerning marriage. The other part is why would you want to abandon your spouse? If you marry properly your spouse is part of you.

Its really simple, Adultery is a Sin, Fornication in a Sin. They are both Perversions of Natural Law, and both are allowed within a Civil Marriage. Children have nothing to do with Civil Marriage, in fact it has nothing to do with the sacrament of Marriage since a sterile person can marry in the eyes of the Church. We are all called for procreation in a Catholic Marriage, but its not a necessity to make the marriage Valid.

 

[Jermosh]

So I could marry my father? We would be two consenting adults…

Incest is against the law, homosexuality is not. Its apples and oranges.

While true your above statement about HIV, is your argument furthering the mistruth by spectrm that gay sex is somehow healthy? Wouldn’t the above fact demonstrate then that it intially being spread by gay men in the U.S. show that it’s not healthy?

Useing the argument and the fact that the vast majority of HIV cases are heterosexual, then heterosexual sex is unhealthy. There is not a large differance between vaginal and anal sex with HIV transmission, HIV is able to pass through both walls into the blood stream.

 

[Jermosh]

*If you are the unmarried child under 18 (up to age 19 if attending elementary or secondary school full time) of a worker who dies, you also can be eligible to receive Social Security survivor benefits. *

And you can get benefits at any age if you were disabled before age 22 and remain disabled. Click here for an explanation of disability qualifications for children.

(Besides the worker’s natural children, his or her stepchildren, grandchildren or adopted children may receive benefits under certain circumstances.) ssa.gov/survivorplan/ifyou4.htm

Of course some will have to misrepresent the record which is in and of itself a good reason to dismiss their arguements.

As again absolutly nothin to do with marriage, just giving SS benifits to a child.