Gay Marriage (A Different Perspective)

[SHW]

I don’t believe God casts people into hell who don’t know Him. Our goal, as Catholics, is to evangelize the whole world.

God does not cast into hell those persons who do not “know” Him through no fault of their own. He does cast those into hell who have every opportunity to “know” Him and choose to not know Him through their own free will choices.

2 Thessalonians 1:7-9 “when the Lord Jesus is revealed from heaven with His mighty angels, 8 in flaming fire taking vengeance on those who do not know God, and on those who do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ. 9 These shall be punished with everlasting destruction from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of His power,”

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For AmyBrownEyes:
Some drunks have medical problems which contribute to their behavior and it is good to remember that God knows their hearts and He judges them justly and mercifully.

HIV and STDs are consequences of sinful behavior and innocent people can also contract these diseases through no fault of their own just as pregnancy can be the result of the sins of fornication and adultery, but pregnancy is not the sin and the innocent child conceived is not at fault.

Something to think about: Since Jesus (the Creator of the universe) humbled Himself in order to be born with a human nature in order to die for us so that we could be reconciled to God again after Adam’s sin, do you not think that we should abstain from sinful behavior in return for this great gift bestowed on us so that we can inherit eternal life?

It’s time to take a good look into our own hearts and see if we like who we really are. Do we even have a clue what “love” is?

1 Corinthians 13:4-7 “Love suffers long and is kind; love does not envy; love does not parade itself, is not puffed up; 5 does not behave rudely, does not seek its own, is not provoked, thinks no evil; 6 does not rejoice in iniquity, but rejoices in the truth; 7 bears all things, believes all things, hopes all things, endures all things.”

John 15:13 “Greater love has no one than this, than to lay down one’s life for his friends.”

Jesus died for us and yet we cannot even refrain from fulfilling sinful desires which actually harm us. How stupid are we? Pretty pathetic!

 

[Benadam]

The issue is still that there are two definitions of marriage.

1. Civil Marriage: A contract granted by the state. This contract, which can be broken at any time, gives the two consenting individual certain legal rights.

2.) Christian Marriage: A contract given by god. This contract, which can never be broken, is the holy union of a man and a woman, under god, for the purpose of raising a family.

Nobody is saying that gays should have the second marriage. By definition, they can not. However, it is absolutely discrimination not to give them access to the first.

no one denies them access to the first. What is sought by homosexuals who want to marry is a third type that has no biological purpose nor does it serve any function that obligates governing bodies to protect. In fact it demands that governing bodies operate outside of their established boundaries. The state is the servant of humanity and it’s fundamental needs to maintain civil societies. Redefining the social unit that is the foundation of human society isn’t necessary for the maintenance of civil society nor is it a good that the state needs to seek. What is asked of it is outside of it’s established role. The state developed to serve the needs of human communities of families. The state didn’t develope human society as a means to maintain it’s role. What the gay community wants is nothing less than a complete reversal of the roles of state and society in order to allow them to pretend they are part of the foundation of human society.

 

[ladybri77]

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.”

Yeah the sexual perverts you know who they are right? About 97% of sexual perverts in this country are straight people the rest 3% are homosexuals. Homosexuality isn’t one of the ten commandments and if it was I would be going to church every Sunday. Drunks can’t get into God’s kingdom? I find that personal because my grandfather was an alcoholic.

Peace,

Amy

Many other versions of that verse use the word “homosexual”, not sexual perverts. By the way, homosexuality is a perversion. Jesus spoke about perversion being a sin in the New Testament.

 

[AmyBrownEyes]

Many other versions of that verse use the word “homosexual”, not sexual perverts. By the way, homosexuality is a perversion. Jesus spoke about perversion being a sin in the New Testament.

I don’t believe homosexuality is a perversion. Can you explain to me why that homosexuality is a perversion? The man who wrote the bible did he even know what the word “homosexual” meant?

 

[ladybri77]

AmyBrownEyes:
Many other versions of that verse use the word “homosexual”, not sexual perverts. By the way, homosexuality is a perversion. Jesus spoke about perversion being a sin in the New Testament.

I don’t believe homosexuality is a perversion. Can you explain to me why that homosexuality is a perversion? The man who wrote the bible did he even know what the word “homosexual” meant?

It’s a perversion because anything that is not of God’s design, (unnatural), a man and a man and a woman and a woman trying to have sex are perversions. He created man and woman to come together physically to reproduce, not the same sex as it doesn’t reproduce, obviously.

 

[AmyBrownEyes]

For God, in Leviticus, says that the killing of homosexuals is justice and pleasing to him.

IS THIS TRUE? I can’t understand it it just shocks me. Can someone tell me if this is right that God said that?

 

[RosaryFan]

1 Corinthians 6:9-10 “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived; neither the immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor sexual perverts, 10 nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor robbers will inherit the kingdom of God.”

Amy, you can explain away until you’re blue in the face. That does not make homosexuality the will of God. It will always go against nature and God’s will for man.

The truth is still the truth, no matter how many don’t believe it. And a lie is still a lie no matter how many belielve it.

 

[sedonaman]

If God doesn’t mind homosexual acts, then why did he destroy Sodom and Gomorrah?

 

[AmyBrownEyes]

Amy, you can explain away until you’re blue in the face. That does not make homosexuality the will of God. It will always go against nature and God’s will for man.

The truth is still the truth, no matter how many don’t believe it. And a lie is still a lie no matter how many believe it.

Even on this forum no one listens to anything I have to say it reminds me of my teachers, and my parents they don’t listen to anything I have to say either. Even when I try my hardest to defend this issue no one listens. No one cares what me a lesbian, a fag, a ****, or a homo thinks though, right? You are right and I am wrong. I know God created men and women so they can be together to have children, however God creates people different sometimes. That’s not a excuse for homosexuality however. I am through defending this issue it is just pointless if no one wants to listen to what I have to say and about what I am trying to say, that’s okay. If I am not acceptable in God’s eyes for being who I am well then I am not acceptable in America or anywhere else. I am tired how America doesn’t give all people equality.

 

[AmyBrownEyes]

If God doesn’t mind homosexual acts, then why did he destroy Sodom and Gomorrah?

I don’t know I haven’t read that far in the bible. Why did he destroy them? Because homosexuals were there?

 

[Belle777]

I’ve said it before, I’ll say it again: God loves everybody.
I’m rather mixed in my opinions about gay marriage, because I don’t think it’s a mental illness, but I’m aware that any sex they have would only be lust and no creation (by the way, hetero sex can be simply lust and no creation too).

Despite all this controversy, I still want everybody here to understand that God wants us to love our neighbors no matter what.
If you can love a murderer, then you can love a homosexual. nods

(I bring this up cuz I saw someone say homosexuals are God’s least liked people. I do not believe that God likes anybody more or less than anybody else.)

 

[RosaryFan]

Even on this forum no one listens to anything I have to say it reminds me of my teachers, and my parents they don’t listen to anything I have to say either. Even when I try my hardest to defend this issue no one listens. No one cares what me a lesbian, a fag, a ****, or a homo thinks though, right? You are right and I am wrong. I know God created men and women so they can be together to have children, however God creates people different sometimes. That’s not a excuse for homosexuality however. I am through defending this issue it is just pointless if no one wants to listen to what I have to say and about what I am trying to say, that’s okay. If I am not acceptable in God’s eyes for being who I am well then I am not acceptable in America or anywhere else. I am tired how America doesn’t give all people equality.

People are listening to you. That’s where these answers are coming from. Listening to you and agreeing with you are two different things. And it would appear that many politicians and lawmakers are listening, too. Hence the threat of same-sex marriage.

You cannot use the argument that God would accept homosexuality because He made you. He also made psychopathic killers. That doesn’t mean it’s okay when they kill people. God made YOU, not homosexuality.

 

[SHW]

Even on this forum no one listens to anything I have to say it reminds me of my teachers, and my parents they don’t listen to anything I have to say either. Even when I try my hardest to defend this issue no one listens. No one cares what me a lesbian, a fag, a ****, or a homo thinks though, right? You are right and I am wrong. I know God created men and women so they can be together to have children, however God creates people different sometimes. That’s not a excuse for homosexuality however. I am through defending this issue it is just pointless if no one wants to listen to what I have to say and about what I am trying to say, that’s okay. If I am not acceptable in God’s eyes for being who I am well then I am not acceptable in America or anywhere else. I am tired how America doesn’t give all people equality.

Dear Amy,

We do care what you think or we would not be posting on this thread. However, if a person’s thinking is wrong, then it should be pointed out, in Christian love, that this type of “thinking” is wrong and also why it is wrong. If we lie to you and tell you what you want to hear, “that it is okay to engage in unnatural sexual acts or to engage in sexual acts outside of marriage as defined by God,” then we do not really love you.

God does not create people to be homosexuals. There can be many different reasons why a person has same sex attraction (chemical imbalance, biological defect, psychological imbalance, etc.), but a person cannot have sex unless it fits God’s definition of marriage. Marriage is a sacrament instituted by God which joins a man and a woman into one flesh until death do they part. God is God and He makes the rules that He judges by. We are the created. We do not have any business trying to tell God that He should act differently.

You do have a choice. It may not be your “choice” to feel same sex attraction, but it is your choice as to whether you engage in sinful acts because of this same sex attraction.

God does not judge you unworthy to inherit eternal life simply because you have this attraction, but He does judge you if you act contrary to His commandments. Persons, whether homosexual or heterosexual, who disobey His commandments do not inherit eternal life.

Ezekiel 18:25 “Yet you say, ‘The way of the Lord is not fair.’ Hear now, O house of Israel, is it not My way which is fair, and your ways which are not fair?”

 

[ladybri77]

Even on this forum no one listens to anything I have to say it reminds me of my teachers, and my parents they don’t listen to anything I have to say either. Even when I try my hardest to defend this issue no one listens. No one cares what me a lesbian, a fag, a ****, or a homo thinks though, right? You are right and I am wrong. I know God created men and women so they can be together to have children, however God creates people different sometimes. That’s not a excuse for homosexuality however. I am through defending this issue it is just pointless if no one wants to listen to what I have to say and about what I am trying to say, that’s okay. If I am not acceptable in God’s eyes for being who I am well then I am not acceptable in America or anywhere else. I am tired how America doesn’t give all people equality.

God loves you as you are, He just doesn’t want to leave you there! God wants His best for people, and acting out homosexually isn’t His best for you.

 

[sedonaman]

I am tired how America doesn’t give all people equality.

I explained to you in post #514 that the law does not and cannot treat all persons as equal in all regards. The very purpose of law is to classify (discriminate among) people for different treatment. I came upon a group of secretaries at work one day and heard one of them say, “But that’s discrimination!” I asked her if she didn’t want me to discriminate between her superior performance and another secretary’s poor performance when it came time to hand out employee cash awards. “Well, yes,” she sheepishly admitted.

A government treating everyone absolutely equally would be no government and spell the end of rule of law.

I don’t know I haven’t read that far in the bible. Why did he destroy them? Because homosexuals were there?

Where do you think we got the term “sodomy”?

My particular scorn is reserved for the '60s generation whose members, by their sheer numbers, sought to defy social norms, simply for the sake of defiance and self-indulgence, by re-designing society after their own image. They are still having a profoundly negative effect on America’s concept of morality, and hence the society at large.

Think of the IMMENSE human pride that is required for A SINGLE generation to convince itself that it KNOWS MORE than 2,000 years of Christian teaching and the collective knowledge of all Western Civilization distilled down through 800 generations! It thinks it has invented something new. Yet, its only accomplishment was, through recalcitrance and the multiplication of words, to put a different spin on ancient debaucheries and to attempt to give them respectability. Just look at the title of this thread: “Gay Marriage (A Different Perspective).” The message of that generation to its own members was, “You don’t have to care what others think of you; consequently, you don’t have to care about others.” Not a very Catholic [or liberal] message.

Forty years have passed since the infamous Stonewall riots of 1969 in New York, the Lexington and Concord of the homosexual liberation movement. During that time, they have carved out for themselves public spaces in every major American city, and many of the minor ones as well. They have had the chance to create whatever they wanted in those spaces, and what have they created? More spaces for the sole purpose of locating new sex partners. What normal person would even venture into those places?

Forty years ago, they said all they wanted was to be left alone. If that was the case, how did we get to the point of debating whether or not they should be able to “marry”? Since then, and realizing that they had to have the support of the general public, homosexuals have hidden their agenda’s intentions, goals, and beliefs behind smokescreens of “equality,” “benefits,” and “fairness.” But now Corvino tells us what they really want: moral approval, IOW, they want my heart and soul. It’s not enough for me just to be tolerant.

It’s fairly simple to see by extrapolation that there is a pattern to Satan’s work here, and to realize that once the current demand is met, it will be followed by yet others even more outrageous, and nothing will end the demands until society is destroyed, which was the whole idea from the beginning.

 

[jazzbass981]

Excellent post, sedonaman!

 

[SHW]

Excellent post, sedonaman!

Amen!

One of the homosexualists’ goals (from an article from one of their own magazines years ago): They want to have “legal” sex with our children even in public parks whenever they want to. In other words, children will no longer be protected from these predators by law. They do not want any laws restricting sex by either age of consent or gender predilection. They want the USA to be like Sodom. This is true freedom to them and they believe it must be forced upon us all. There would be no such thing as “immoral” sex.

Homosexualist: Active homosexuals who are trying to make it compulsory for all. The term could extend to those trying to force their own ideas on supposed equality for those of peculiar sexuality. It definitely includes those types who consider their same sex proclivities to be far superior to heterosexuals.

 

[sedonaman]

Excellent post, sedonaman!

Amen!
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Homosexualist: Active homosexuals who are trying to make it compulsory for all. The term could extend to those trying to force their own ideas on supposed equality for those of peculiar sexuality. It definitely includes those types who consider their same sex proclivities to be far superior to heterosexuals.

Thank you both for your kind words. I might add that we are considered “homophobes” by the movement. Well, to that I say, you’re darned tootin’. We have every right to fear what they are trying to do to us.

 

[SHW]

Thank you both for your kind words. I might add that we are considered “homophobes” by the movement. Well, to that I say, you’re darned tootin’. We have every right to fear what they are trying to do to us.

I am not a homophobe unless it can also mean that I fear what will happen to our country (and our world) because of this “debauchery” that they are trying to legislate into “accepted morality.” “Homo-disgusto” more accurately describes me!

Many people think that morality cannot be legislated. They are incorrect. Morality is legislated. Laws reflect the “prevailing morality” of a nation’s citizens in a democratic society. (We are supposed to be a Republic in the USA, but we have legislated and precedent-ed (through the courts) away from a rule of law based on Judeo-Christian principles into a simple democracy which reflects the morals of the majority of its citizens.)

They are now trying to do away with the electoral college in order to get rid of the rural States’ electoral votes in choosing the President because they are the ones (a majority in these states) who still try to adhere to the Judeo-Christian principles and so the liberals desire a simple democratic vote instead in order to negate any opposition to their agenda.

 

[sedonaman]

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Many people think that morality cannot be legislated. They are incorrect. Morality is legislated. Laws reflect the “prevailing morality” of a nation’s citizens in a democratic society.

Ah! “You can’t legislate morality.” … One of my favorite lines the Left likes to use … and the easiest to debunk, as you have pointed out.

… we have legislated and precedent-ed (through the courts) away from a rule of law based on Judeo-Christian principles into a simple democracy which reflects the morals of the majority of its citizens.

That might not be so bad if it were the case. But Graglia offers a slightly different observation: “The salient fact of our society at the present day is that we are engaged in a culture war. It is a war between our cultural elite, the intelligencia and aspiring intelligencia (what has been called the “chattering class”), the dominant force in our universities and media of communication, on the one hand, and the ordinary American citizen on the other. The average citizen holds views on a wide range of issues of basic social policy – for example, on capital punishment, prayer in the schools, the permissibility of religious symbols in public places, enforcement of the criminal law, assignment of children to neighborhood schools, the suppression of pornography, flag burning, and, specifically, homosexuality and marriage – that are anathema to our cultural elite. The difficulty with our system of representative self-government, as they see it, is that everyone gets to vote, with the result that the views of the unenlightened masses are likely to prevail. The function of constitutional law, in the view of our cultural elite and as it has largely operated in recent decades, is to keep this from happening. The first and most important thing to understand about constitutional law is that it has very little to do with a constitution. It has become essentially a device or ruse for policymaking by judges. Such policymaking is much preferred by our cultural elite to policymaking by the elected representatives of the people because judges, given a free hand in policymaking, can generally be relied on to serve as the mirror, mouthpiece, and enacting arm of liberal academia in general and liberal legal academia in particular. … Decisions extending marital rights to homosexual unions do so on no other basis or authority than the fact that full societal acceptance, if not endorsement, of homosexuality is the current cause célèbre in today’s academia. The primary function of judicial opinions explaining these decisions is to deny or conceal this fact.”