Gay Marriage (A Different Perspective)

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What about what God said about it in the bible? Don’t have to believe me, believe God. Romans 1 specifically.
I don’t care what St. Paul - WHO CONTRADICTED JESUS, A WONDERFUL MESSENGER OF GOOD - has to say. His testimonies are based on the same thing as the Salem witch hunts: Spectral evidence.

Come on, now you know that argument was just awesome. You know you want a gay friend to go shopping with and not have to worry will try to move more than platonically upon you… Look at Anderson Cooper, hahahahaha .
 
I look forward to the reference. One person’s normalcy is another person’s perversion. Personally I regard eating caviar and sushi as perversions, but I would never seek to outlaw the practice. A male friend of mine (a biologist) refused to eat “Rocky Mountain Oysters” (deep-fried bull’s testicles) at a restaurant in Denver, saying he had a moral objection to eating another male’s gonads – that it was a perversion.

StAnastasia
As a vegetarian, eating animals to me is a “perversion.” Thank you very much for your intelligence. That comment of hers was so ignorant.
 
I look forward to the reference. One person’s normalcy is another person’s perversion. Personally I regard eating caviar and sushi as perversions, but I would never seek to outlaw the practice. A male friend of mine (a biologist) refused to eat “Rocky Mountain Oysters” (deep-fried bull’s testicles) at a restaurant in Denver, saying he had a moral objection to eating another male’s gonads – that it was a perversion.

StAnastasia
Perversion here meaning sexial deviation which can never produce life. God spoke about this in Deuteronomy - “Today before you are life and death, a blessing and a curse, to choose life or death. Choose life and live!” (ad lib).
 
Not talking about dressing up in women’s clothing, but I think you know what effeminate means. 😉
What does it mean to you, and what aspects of it are morally wrong? “Effeminacy” covers a wide range of behaviours and appearnaces, and your game playing of " I think you know what effeminate means" is not helpful to furthering a meaningful conversation.
 
Please explain to me why seven percent of the animal kingdom is gay, why that percentage is so consistent, extending to humans. Please. I IMPLORE YOU.
We live in a fallen world. Sceince cannot prove what is right and what is wrong. It is not the domain of science.
 
Perversion here meaning sexial deviation which can never produce life. God spoke about this in Deuteronomy - “Today before you are life and death, a blessing and a curse, to choose life or death. Choose life and live!” (ad lib).
Having sex deliberately during a woman’s infertile period is a “sexual deviation which can never produce life.” An elderly couple having sex after the woman has passed menopause is a “sexual deviation which can never produce life.” A young couple having sex after the husband has been castrated to stop the spread of testicular cancer is a “sexual deviation which can never produce life.” A middle-aged couple having sex after the wife has had a hysterectomy to stop the spread of uterine cancer is a “sexual deviation which can never produce life.”

Being consistent with your logic, these four instances of heterosexual sex are all perversions, evil, and conducive to condemnation to the eternal fires of perdition.

StAnastasia
 
PrincessKatrina, I’ve wondered the same thing, as none of my bibles mention homosexuality. They do mention, however, the “godly” Lot’s being perfectly willing to hand over his virgin daughters to be gang-raped by the mob… What a role model for a father!
You are not mentioning the angels he was protecting and the men weren’t interested in Lot’s daughters.

God bless,
Ed
 
Having sex deliberately during a woman’s infertile period is a “sexual deviation which can never produce life.”
God ordained the female cycle. He did not ordain homosexual acts.
An elderly couple having sex after the woman has passed menopause is a “sexual deviation which can never produce life.”
Menopause is part of the cycle of life, homosexual acts are not.
A young couple having sex after the husband has been castrated to stop the spread of testicular cancer is a “sexual deviation which can never produce life.” A middle-aged couple having sex after the wife has had a hysterectomy to stop the spread of uterine cancer is a “sexual deviation which can never produce life.”
Both cases are unintended effects of authentic medical treatment. Homosexual acts are not.
Being consistent with your logic, these four instances of heterosexual sex are all perversions, evil, and conducive to condemnation to the eternal fires of perdition.
StAnastasia
Not even close.
 
I knew you would say something about the unnatural statement. I meant unnatural sexual unions, not foreplay, but unnatural sexual unions where two people are trying to have sex away from the natural man/woman style. Sodomy. Get what I mean now? Polygamy is a whole other issue. I believe one is committing adultery if they marry one, then marry and have sexual relations with another, so on and so forth. Not perverted sex, but adultery, but like I said, that’s a whole different issue.
No, I’m afraid I don’t get what you mean. You seem obsessed with what you regard as “perversion” over and above other things. This obsession with what is “natural” and what is “unnatural” is strangely reminiscent of the medieval canon law.

I remember reading in graduate school a medieval theological discussion about the degree of severity of various sexual “sins.” The discussion included a comparison of masturbation with rape. The conclusion was that masturbation was a far more heinous sin, because it could not lead to conception and was therefore “unnatural.” Rape was not as bad because at least it could lead to the conception of a child, and was therefore “natural.”

StAnastasia
 
God ordained the female cycle. He did not ordain homosexual acts.
Menopause is part of the cycle of life, homosexual acts are not. Both cases are unintended effects of authentic medical treatment. Homosexual acts are not. Not even close.
Yes, quite close, considering ladybri’s logic: a “sexual deviation which can never produce life.”

Of course, perhaps her logic is incorrect.
 
The Bible should be understood in this way: What was the “intention” of the original writer?

I am only reiterating the Word of God as taught infallibly by the official Catholic Church. It is you who are mixed up, not me. 😉

We Catholics are required to “form our consciences” according to the infallible teachings of the official Catholic Church. It is easy for persons “to drown out their consciences” with their own selfish desires if they choose. But, they will still be held accountable for obeying God’s commandments whether they like it or not.

I am just repeating God’s Word. He declares who will be saved. And, He also judges according to His own commandments. So, take it up with Him, not me. 👍

This is because you have no clue as what the Catholic faith/religion really is. That is why I and others are here on this thread, trying to point the way to solid, orthodox Catholic teaching which has not changed for 2000 years and which will not be changing in future. Either embrace it, or leave it. No one is forcing you to be a Catholic.

However, I do think that there will be a “new” church, perhaps calling itself the “American Catholic Church” or similar, which will break off from the official Catholic Church. Its members will be persons such as yourself who reject the 2000 year old teachings of Christ as taught by His One, Holy Catholic, and Apostolic Church. I think you will feel right at home in this church. (Galatians 1:9) Blame Paul, not me. 😃
Finally, SHW, we agree on something: That the Bible needs to be understood based on the intention of the writer.

When I was quite a bit younger, I took religion and The Church very literally. I needed the security of somebody (i.e., the Church) telling me what to do and believe. As I’ve lived my rather long life, I’ve brought many questions to God – doubts, thoughts, etc., and asked for His direction. In Confession about a month ago, the priest told me to continue my seeking – that God wants our questions, as asking them means we were “green and growing,” so to speak, and on the way to a deeper spirituality.

I certainly am a Catholic, SHW. Nobody is forcing me to be Catholic, and I am a Catholic in good standing. Not to say anything insulting, but you seem to know who will be going to Heaven, what is right and wrong, and now – who is Catholic or not.

Alisa
 
You are not mentioning the angels he was protecting and the men weren’t interested in Lot’s daughters.God bless,Ed
Protecting “angels” by expressing willingness to hand over your virgin daughters to be raped by a mob. And all this approved because Lot was a godly man, and it’s in the Bible!
 
We live in a fallen world. Sceince cannot prove what is right and what is wrong. It is not the domain of science.
Satan is the ruler of this world. He was cast out of heaven by God down to earth. That is why there are diseases, wars, famine, anomalies at birth, disabilities, sexual perversions, and any kind of evil in the world. These things happened when sin entered the world through Adam and Eve. God did not create evil.

He gives man free will and man chose to go against Him shortly after they were created, thus we now face the consequences of those and our own sins.
 
And you shouldn’t take little “snips” out of the Bible and make them something they’re not when it speaks loudly what is right and wrong.
What do you mean, Ladybri? What little snips have I been taking out of the Bible and making them something they’re not?

Alisa
 
Yes, quite close, considering ladybri’s logic: a “sexual deviation which can never produce life.”

Of course, perhaps her logic is incorrect.
I’m referring to the sexual act that cannot produce life, not those who are infertile, menopausal or any other thing outside of the discussion at hand.
 
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