Gay marriage and other issues concerning homosexuality

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It’s so hard to find anything about homosexuality that is not biased either toward the overly conservative or overly liberal side. I would love to just see lots of people’s opinions on gays, gay marriages, what causes it, anything.
 
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I think you will only get the conservative opinion here.😉
 
Well maybe, but at least it would be discussion…I like discussion - and also I have seen many people who post very liberal opinions.
 
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Well maybe, but at least it would be discussion…I like discussion - and also I have seen many people who post very liberal opinions.
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REALLY!! WHERE!! LOL–I must be on the wrong threads;) I usually find people here on the extreme end of conservative–I will even say LEGALISTIC:eek: on both sides(prot and cath)

Anyway, IMHO—I am one of those conservatives completely against gay marriage simply because God intended marriage be between one man and one woman–nothing less nothing more.😉 🤷
 
Well, I see them in places like these - people advocating liberal ideas where they know lots of conservative people see them. So I guess my point is, what is the reason against gay marriage outside of religious grounds? I’m not saying catholics should have to allow gays to marry- but this country purposefully separates church and state, and why shouldn’t gays be allowed to have a legal marriage not held in a church?
 
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Well, I see them in places like these - people advocating liberal ideas where they know lots of conservative people see them. So I guess my point is, what is the reason against gay marriage outside of religious grounds? I’m not saying catholics should have to allow gays to marry- but this country purposefully separates church and state, and why shouldn’t gays be allowed to have a legal marriage not held in a church?
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HMMM-- I believe my minister would say it would weaken the sanctity of marriage and be a slap in the face to God.🤷

I suppose sinners can keep on sinning–I mean they do have that right. What I dont think gay people should do is try to glorify their sin which is exactly what the gay movement is doing.

Living an active gay lifestyle is just as sinful as adultery–no difference sin wise. BUT, I dont know anyone who walks around saying that their adultery NEEDS to be accepted and ok. Adulterers dont usually walk around glorifying their sin. They usually hide because they know it is wrong. Why is it wrong ?because the bible tells us it is wrong. The bible also tells us homosexuality is wrong. So there ya go.😉
 
That’s all well and good - but it doesn’t address my question at all - I already knew all that, being raised catholic - but the law is not made in view of any religious beliefs - so therefore it is not a good enough reason to prevent gays from legally getting married.
 
Just curious on your persistance to continue this discussion, is this, gay marriage issue, something that you are planning on participating in or are already a part of?
 
peduzzi89 said:
Well, I see them in places like these - people advocating liberal ideas where they know lots of conservative people see them. So I guess my point is, what is the reason against gay marriage outside of religious grounds? I’m not saying catholics should have to allow gays to marry- but this country purposefully separates church and state, and why shouldn’t gays be allowed to have a legal marriage not held in a church?
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Outside of religious grounds? It probably has something to do with the tradition of the family having always consisted of a father and mother. It tends to go against the laws of nature/creation.
 
But what about families with single parents or children in foster homes? They are raised in at least as strange of if not stranger environment.
 
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But what about families with single parents or children in foster homes? They are raised in at least as strange of if not stranger environment.
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True, but just as you said, those are “strange”. You can agree those are not the ideal conditions for a family and many site those as problems of society. However unfortunate or strange those are, they still exist within the laws of nature.
 
Not necessarily - if you were to go by what is only defined by nature - then if a child lost his parents he would have to fend for himself - but we as humans intervene with nature a bit to save that child. We interevene with nature soooooooooooo much in our society.
 
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Not necessarily - if you were to go by what is only defined by nature - then if a child lost his parents he would have to fend for himself - but we as humans intervene with nature a bit to save that child. We interevene with nature soooooooooooo much in our society.
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Others stepping in to care for the child is not an intervention with nature. A child losing his parents is unfortunate, but it is still something that happens in the natural course of events.
 
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That’s all well and good - but it doesn’t address my question at all - I already knew all that, being raised catholic - but the law is not made in view of any religious beliefs - so therefore it is not a good enough reason to prevent gays from legally getting married.
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Is the civil law to be in harmony with morality or to contradict morality? You say that religious belief is to be separate from law, but that seems much to broad a statement. I mean religious people say murder is wrong. Does that mean murder should not be illegal?

What I am getting at is that society is not to separate itself from the moral truth. Our civil laws must be based on something other than the power of the majority.
 
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Others stepping in to care for the child is not an intervention with nature. A child losing his parents is unfortunate, but it is still something that happens in the natural course of events.
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Losing the parent is sometimes natural, but if an animal dies, there is no foster-care that will take over…and don’t even start about homosexuality in other animals.

As for fix, it is true, religion is the basis on which many laws concerning right and wrong were created - but not everyone agrees with your particular religion.

Law created on the basis of natural law boils down to one basic idea - you have freedom to do what you please, but your rights end where another person’s begin. Which is why murder is wrong - it infringes on another person’s right to live. Homosexuality does not infringe upon the rights of others.
 
Actually I am quite familiar with that article - even though I am gay I would say it is all credible material except the section entitled “born this way” which is just speculation on the nature/cause of homosexuality.
 
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Actually I am quite familiar with that article - even though I am gay I would say it is all credible material except the section entitled “born this way” which is just speculation on the nature/cause of homosexuality.
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I struggle with SSA myself and its the kind of reasoning found in the article, coupled with life experience, that have convinced me that the homosexual life style is not in accord with God’s will.
 
Well I give you a lot of credit, East and West, for you have a lot of will and perserverence. My original point of starting the thread, though was that I don’t think all of that reason should be used in preventing gays from legally getting married, since people can already get married without the church’s involvement. I think gays should be able to do the same - I’m not asking for the church to accept/recognize/agree with it - just for the legal rights and the name.
 
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Well I give you a lot of credit, East and West, for you have a lot of will and perserverence. My original point of starting the thread, though was that I don’t think all of that reason should be used in preventing gays from legally getting married, since people can already get married without the church’s involvement. I think gays should be able to do the same - I’m not asking for the church to accept/recognize/agree with it - just for the legal rights and the name.
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Your asking the government to leagally recognize insanity as normal and healthy. What responsible government would do that?
 
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