Gay Marriage and the Social Issues Surrounding It

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Stephen168 said:
If what you say is true, then it seems atheists are irrational
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Wouldn’t it be easier to make the argument that your “rational and non religious” argument is either not rational, religious, or both?
 
Stephen168 said:
You have already been shown there is a non-religious rational reason why there is no such thing as same-sex-marriage.
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What is your response to the fact that it is either non rational, religious, or both?

If the only people that think it is rational and non religious are Catholics than it probably is only rational by Catholic thought.
 
interestedman said:
And most of them are religious and will give you religious reasons as to why same sex marriage is wrong.
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Truth is truth. There are good religious reasons that are true. There are good non religious reasons that are true. The problem is not evidence. The problem is that those who refuse to be convinced will not accept any proof.
 
interestedman said:
What is your response to the fact that it is either non rational, religious, or both?

If the only people that think it is rational and non religious are Catholics than it probably is only rational by Catholic thought.
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The problem seems to be you approach everything as a relativist and a materialist. What proof would you accept?
 
fix said:
Truth is truth. There are good religious reasons that are true. There are good non religious reasons that are true. The problem is not evidence. The problem is that those who refuse to be convinced will not accept any proof.
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OK, you say it is truth. But you don’t have evidence to prove it to an unbiased observer, so even if it is actually truth you have no more proof than that of Mormonism or scientology. So if you are going by evidence Catholicism is equally as valid as Mormonism or Scientology.
 
interestedman said:
What is your response to the fact that it is either non rational, religious, or both?
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The question is irrational. Did you walk to school or carry your books?

You have already been shown there is a non-religious rational reason why there is no such thing as same-sex-marriage.
 
interestedman said:
OK, you say it is truth. But you don’t have evidence to prove it to an unbiased observer, so even if it is actually truth you have no more proof than that of Mormonism or scientology. So if you are going by evidence Catholicism is equally as valid as Mormonism or Scientology.
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No, sorry but this is not true. I ask again, what proof would you accept?
 
fix said:
The problem seems to be you approach everything as a relativist and a materialist. What proof would you accept?
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What proof would I accept for God or Christianity? God would have to come down and explain it, preferably to everyone in the world. And he would have to do it in a super miraculous way so no one would deny it. As it stands there really is no philosophical argument for God that could convince me.
 
Stephen168 said:
The question is irrational. Did you walk to school or carry your books?

You have already been shown there is a non-religious rational reason why there is no such thing as same-sex-marriage.
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But it isn’t non religious or rational. Are you just going to keep parroting that phrase?
 
fix said:
No, sorry but this is not true. I ask again, what proof would you accept?
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So why is Catholicism more valid than Mormonism or Scientology? What about Islam? Why is Catholicism more valid than Islam?
 
Stephen168 said:
I, on another thread, have shown you there is a non-religious rational reason why there is no such thing as same-sex-marriage. It was so rational all you could do is walk away without refuting it.
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Post it up then.
 
interestedman said:
Post it up then.
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I linked to it in post #80 for other peoples benefit. My point is: You have already been shown there is a non-religious rational reason why there is no such thing as same-sex-marriage.
interestedman said:
And most of them are religious and will give you religious reasons as to why same sex marriage is wrong.
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To suggest a non-religious rational reason why there is no such thing as same-sex-marriage does not exist is being dishonesty.
 
interestedman said:
OK, you say it is truth.
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Stephen168 said:
My definition of marriage is based on biology, anthropology, and reason. My religion embraces most all of my definition with a few extras.
Because I have a reason that same-sex marriage is a fiction created by the state, I assumed that supporters would have a reason, also.
But I have found that not to be true. The reason that support for same-sex marriage is based on emotion is based on
  1. avoiding a presentation of their definition and reasoning for marriage
  2. the quick withdrawal from any conversation to support any definition that might be presented
  3. the quick use of name calling (homophobe, bigot) to shut the conversation down to achieve 1&2.
    I contrast that with other threads on CAF where Catholics present their definition and reason for marriage; and then stand to defend it. I’ve never had the opportunity to do this in person because of 3 listed above.
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interestedman said:
I’m not Catholic but I actually do look down on adulterers a bit. In my opinion it is one of the worst things you can do.
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Interested,

What is the reason that you would look down of Adulterers and believe it is one of the worst things you can do. Tell me…
 
CopticChristian said:
Interested,

What is the reason that you would look down of Adulterers and believe it is one of the worst things you can do. Tell me…
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It is a complete betrayal of trust from someone that you should be able to trust more than anyone. “Et tu, Brute?”
 
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