Gay Marriage in America

[LittleSoldier]

Who would have thought that homosexuality might be the thing that finally buries the CC. If the CC can’t find a reasonable and legitimate voice, it will only become more irrelevant. But who would have thought that the beginning of the end would be over incompetence handling the child molestation issue, and then an inability to support human rights? Time will tell, but historic events are so mercurial.

Nothing will ever bury the Catholic Church as she was formed by God and we know that the gates of hell shall not prevail against her. I don’t think that Jesus was joking when He formed His Church or that He is any sort of incompetent god. He is God Himself.

Why would you ever think that she will be buried?

The Church, as the Body of Christ, always has had a “reasonable and legitimate voice” and always will.

I will uphold her teachings and stand by her through martyrdom if I have to. And rejoice in it.

 

[LittleSoldier]

CATECHISMUS CATHOLICAE ECCLESIAE

1. Homosexualitas relationes designat inter viros vel mulieres qui sexualem experiuntur allectationem exclusive vel praevalenter erga eiusdem sexus personas. Per saecula et culturas, formas induit valde diversas. Eius psychica origo manet magna ex parte non explicata. Traditio, sacra nitens Scriptura, quae eos tamquam graves depravationes praesentat, 238 semper declaravit « actus homosexualitatis suapte intrinseca natura esse inordinatos ». 239 Legi naturali sunt contrarii. Actum sexualem dono praecludunt vitae. E vera complementaritate affectiva et sexuali non procedunt. Nullo in casu possent accipere approbationem.

Dang, I’ve just GOT to find that Rosetta Stone program for learning Latin. I have it; I can’t find it!

Is anyone going to translate this literally or do you want me to do it? I’ll have to do it line by line.

 

[Groundhog_Day]

so don’t consider yourself to be to special in that regard

Nothing to do with me. Just an observation. The Church appears to be in trouble. Wouldn’t you agree? I had nothing to do with that.

 

[LittleSoldier]

Nothing to do with me. Just an observation. The Church appears to be in trouble. Wouldn’t you agree? I had nothing to do with that.

The Body of Christ is in trouble?

 

[Groundhog_Day]

Dang, I’ve just GOT to find that Rosetta Stone program for learning Latin. I have it; I can’t find it!

Is anyone going to translate this literally or do you want me to do it? I’ll have to do it line by line.

Here it is translated roughly from Latin to Urdu, if that helps:

1. Homosexualitas باہر مردوں اور عورتوں جو جنسی allectationem یا ایک ہی جنس کے افراد کی
   طرف اہم خصوصی طور پر تجربہ کے درمیان پوائنٹس تعلقات. اور بہت مختلف فارموں پر صدیوں کے ذریعے ثقافتوں ڈالا،. سب سے زیادہ حصہ کے لئے ان کے رہتا ہے کی نفسیاتی نژاد، نہیں کی وضاحت کرتا ہے. روایت، مقدس کتاب، جس میں ان کی قبر کے طور پر پیش دراچارتا کوشش، 238 سے ہمیشہ کا اعلان کر دیا “اپنی نوعیت کی طرف سے غیر معمولی homosexualitatis کے ایک ایکٹ کے اندرونی ہے.” ہے قدرتی 239 قانون کے برعکس ہیں. جنسی praecludunt زندگی کے تحفے کے ایکٹ. E affective اور جنسی complementarity سچائیوں نہیں بڑھنے کرتے ہیں. اس صورت میں ، منظوری کے لئے نہیں دی جانی چاہئے.

 

[Groundhog_Day]

The Body of Christ is in trouble?

And in Afrikaans:

1. Homosexualitas wys op die verhoudings tussen mans of vroue wat seksuele ervaring allectationem oorheersende of eksklusief teenoor persone van dieselfde geslag. En kulture deur die eeue heen, sit op baie verskillende vorme. Sielkundige oorsprong van sy bly vir die grootste deel, is nie verduidelik. Tradisie, strewe heilige Skrif, wat hulle bied as graf verdorwenheid, is altyd 238 verklaar “'n daad van buitensporige homosexualitatis deur sy intrinsieke aard is.” Is in teenstelling met natuurlike reg 239. Die daad van seksuele praecludunt die gawe van die lewe. E affektiewe en seksuele komplementariteit waarhede voort te gaan nie. In hierdie geval, moet goedkeuring verleen word vir geen.

 

[Groundhog_Day]

The Body of Christ is in trouble?

hehe… or that which is so presumptuous as to pretend to be. we must always remember that the CC is an organization of people made and run by people, just like any other political institution.

 

[Groundhog_Day]

Dang, I’ve just GOT to find that Rosetta Stone program for learning Latin. I have it; I can’t find it!

Is anyone going to translate this literally or do you want me to do it? I’ll have to do it line by line.

Would Yiddish help?

קאַטעטשיסמוס קאַטהאָליקאַע עקקלעסיאַע

1. האָמאָסעקסואַליטאַס רעלאַטיאָנעס דעזיגנייטיד ינטער ווירóס שלייער מוליאַ וואס סעקשואַלי ויסשליסיק עקספּעריונטור אַללעקטאַטיאָנעם עיוסדעם וועל ערגאַ פּראַעוואַלענטער סעקסרו מענטשן. אין סאַעקולאַ עט קאַלטשערז, פאָרמאַס ינדוסט וואַלדע פאַרווייַלונג. פּסיכיש אָריגאָ עיוס מאַנעט ניט מאַגנאַ עקס פּאַרטיי דערקלערט. מסורה, ניטענס סאַקראַ סקריפּטוראַ, קוואַע יאַס טאַמקוואַם גראַוואַל דעפּראַוואַטיאָנעס פּראַעסענטאַט, 238 שטענדיק דערקלערן “אַקטאַס עס ינאָרדינאַטאָס האָמאָסעקסואַליטאַטיס סואַפּטע ינטרינסיק נאַטור.” 239 קאַלידזש נאַטוראַלי סונט באמערקט. איך אַקטום געשלעכט - פּראַעקלודונט ווייטאַ. איך וועל זען איר קאָמפּלעמענטאַריטאַטע אַפפעקטיוואַ
   פּראָסעדונט ניט געשלעכט -. נוללאַ אין פּאַטינג קאַסוס אַקסיפּערע באַגיטיקונג.

 

[LittleSoldier]

Here it is translated roughly from Latin to Urdu, if that helps:

1. Homosexualitas باہر مردوں اور عورتوں جو جنسی allectationem یا ایک ہی جنس کے افراد کی
   طرف اہم خصوصی طور پر تجربہ کے درمیان پوائنٹس تعلقات. اور بہت مختلف فارموں پر صدیوں کے ذریعے ثقافتوں ڈالا،. سب سے زیادہ حصہ کے لئے ان کے رہتا ہے کی نفسیاتی نژاد، نہیں کی وضاحت کرتا ہے. روایت، مقدس کتاب، جس میں ان کی قبر کے طور پر پیش دراچارتا کوشش، 238 سے ہمیشہ کا اعلان کر دیا “اپنی نوعیت کی طرف سے غیر معمولی homosexualitatis کے ایک ایکٹ کے اندرونی ہے.” ہے قدرتی 239 قانون کے برعکس ہیں. جنسی praecludunt زندگی کے تحفے کے ایکٹ. E affective اور جنسی complementarity سچائیوں نہیں بڑھنے کرتے ہیں. اس صورت میں ، منظوری کے لئے نہیں دی جانی چاہئے.

hee hee…yeah, that helped a lot! But it appears that there is still of bit of that pesky Latin in there.

 

[Groundhog_Day]

The Catholic Church will not be buried. As the previous poster said, many have wished for that over the centuries. It won’t happen.

But just so you know, the Church doesn’t exist to be relevant. It won’t change it’s teachings to be relevant, at least not by the standards that most imply when they make a statement like yours. It exists for truth. Of course, some of us believe that truth is always relevant.

On the other hand, if the CC is not relevant, then it will no longer exist. It is not doing well in the western world. How much will it cost to move the Vatican to Ethiopia? But then, the Muslims are gaining ground there faster than the CC.

 

[Incomplete]

On the other hand, if the CC is not relevant, then it will no longer exist. It is not doing well in the western world. How much will it cost to move the Vatican to Ethiopia? But then, the Muslims are gaining ground there faster than the CC.

As I said, it’s not relevant according to what I suspect to be your definition. But truth is always relevant (even if you don’t believe it) and the Catholic Church will always exist.

 

[LittleSoldier]

Would Yiddish help?

קאַטעטשיסמוס קאַטהאָליקאַע עקקלעסיאַע

1. האָמאָסעקסואַליטאַס רעלאַטיאָנעס דעזיגנייטיד ינטער ווירóס שלייער מוליאַ וואס סעקשואַלי ויסשליסיק עקספּעריונטור אַללעקטאַטיאָנעם עיוסדעם וועל ערגאַ פּראַעוואַלענטער סעקסרו מענטשן. אין סאַעקולאַ עט קאַלטשערז, פאָרמאַס ינדוסט וואַלדע פאַרווייַלונג. פּסיכיש אָריגאָ עיוס מאַנעט ניט מאַגנאַ עקס פּאַרטיי דערקלערט. מסורה, ניטענס סאַקראַ סקריפּטוראַ, קוואַע יאַס טאַמקוואַם גראַוואַל דעפּראַוואַטיאָנעס פּראַעסענטאַט, 238 שטענדיק דערקלערן “אַקטאַס עס ינאָרדינאַטאָס האָמאָסעקסואַליטאַטיס סואַפּטע ינטרינסיק נאַטור.” 239 קאַלידזש נאַטוראַלי סונט באמערקט. איך אַקטום געשלעכט - פּראַעקלודונט ווייטאַ. איך וועל זען איר קאָמפּלעמענטאַריטאַטע אַפפעקטיוואַ
   פּראָסעדונט ניט געשלעכט -. נוללאַ אין פּאַטינג קאַסוס אַקסיפּערע באַגיטיקונג.

OK, thank you. You have a translator. It’s not so funny anymore. Now if you had posted it in Greek I could have made a slight funny comment about it all being in Greek.

 

[Groundhog_Day]

Dang, I’ve just GOT to find that Rosetta Stone program for learning Latin. I have it; I can’t find it!

Is anyone going to translate this literally or do you want me to do it? I’ll have to do it line by line.

Since you asked for a LITERAL translation, here it is to English:

Catechism of the Catholic Church

1. Homosexuality points out the relations among men or women who experience sexual attraction predominantly or exclusively toward persons of the same sex. And cultures through the centuries, put on very different forms. Psychological origin of his remains for the most part, unexplained. Tradition, striving sacred Scripture, which presents them as grave depravity, 238 is always declared “an act of inordinate homosexuality by its very nature is intrinsic.” Are contrary to natural law 239. The act of sexually precluding the gift of life. Affective and sexual complementarity truths do not proceed. In this case, approval should be given for no.

 

[LittleSoldier]

Since you asked for a LITERAL translation, here it is to English:

Catechism of the Catholic Church

1. Homosexuality points out the relations among men or women who experience sexual attraction predominantly or exclusively toward persons of the same sex. And cultures through the centuries, put on very different forms. Psychological origin of his remains for the most part, unexplained. Tradition, striving sacred Scripture, which presents them as grave depravity, 238 is always declared “an act of inordinate homosexuality by its very nature is intrinsic.” Are contrary to natural law 239. The act of sexually precluding the gift of life. Affective and sexual complementarity truths do not proceed. In this case, approval should be given for no.

Thank you. That is what I needed. I’ll ignore the slight errors and am assume this is a truthful translation.

 

[Groundhog_Day]

As I said, it’s not relevant according to what I suspect to be your definition. But truth is always relevant (even if you don’t believe it) and the Catholic Church will always exist.

My point is simple. The CC portrays itself as a moral leader. If a leader has no following, then it is not a leader. Not complicated.

 

[LittleSoldier]

On the other hand, if the CC is not relevant, then it will no longer exist. It is not doing well in the western world. How much will it cost to move the Vatican to Ethiopia? But then, the Muslims are gaining ground there faster than the CC.

I would love to discuss this with you. Really. But I’m afraid that we are derailing the thread and I don’t want to do that. You might want to start a thread on the relevancy of the Catholic Church (whatever that means).

I suggest that we return to the topic as stated in the OP.

 

[Incomplete]

My point is simple. The CC portrays itself as a moral leader. If a leader has no following, then it is not a leader. Not complicated.

It has a huge following. However, even it it’s not what you consider relevant, to some the truth will always be relevant. So it will always have a following.

 

[Incomplete]

I would love to discuss this with you. Really. But I’m afraid that we are derailing the thread and I don’t want to do that. You might want to start a thread on the relevancy of the Catholic Church (whatever that means).

I suggest that we return to the topic as stated in the OP.

Good point. I stepped into the same thing. I’ll stop answering the off-topic replies to this.

 

[Groundhog_Day]

Thank you. That is what I needed. I’ll ignore the slight errors and am assume this is a truthful translation.

The art of translation goes beyond the literal. But we can get some sense of the meaning from the literal. But I must say that Yiddish and Arabic have the most visual appeal. One advantage Muslims and Jews have over Christians is the enduring emphasis on understanding their religious sources in the original language. Much is lost to Christianity due to the cultural bias injected into the translations from Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic… etc. into modern languages. Indeed, if you know several languages, then you will find the the Bible means different things in differing languages… sad indeed. Every Christian must admit that he or she does not understand the Bible accurately for this reason.

 

[LittleSoldier]

The art of translation goes beyond the literal. But we can get some sense of the meaning from the literal. But I must say that Yiddish and Arabic have the most visual appeal. One advantage Muslims and Jews have over Christians is the enduring emphasis on understanding their religious sources in the original language. Much is lost to Christianity due to the cultural bias injected into the translations from Hebrew, Greek, Aramaic… etc. into modern languages. Indeed, if you know several languages, then you will find the the Bible means different things in differing languages… sad indeed. Every Christian must admit that he or she does not understand the Bible accurately for this reason.

Could we please return to the topic of this thread as stated in the OP? I’m not going to respond to any more off-topic posts. Little detours are fine but this thread is being derailed.