Gay Marriage in America

[tm30]

Actually, the children are not in rebellion.

 

[StAnastasia]

Leaving the Church is apostacy. It’s latae sententiae excommunication. If they died as Muslims, they would not have salvation, because there beliefs would reject Christ as the Son of God, and consequently, his Divine Mercy. They would not be able to plead invincible ignorance because they are already have the gifts of the Holy Spirit through Baptism.

As the younger generation say to us old fogies, “LOL”

The Muslim issue is not that they believe those who don’t believe are condemned, but that those who convert away from the faith must be killed. There’s no comparison with Catholic teaching.

We should put you both on an isolated island to fight it out over whose God condemsn whom to hell!

You like to use the word “superstitious”. Since you believe that those who are against homosexuality are insecure about their own sexuality, does your constant repetition of the word “superstition” indicate you are in bondage to superstition?

Oh no – I am a foe of superstition of any kind!

Do you practice the occult in any way, shape, or form?

Not unless you consider participating in the Eucharist to be “occult,” which I don’t (although my atheist colleagues consider it so).

 

[sedonaman]

True, but as Robert George points out, if humans couldn’t have babies, they would never have invented the institution of marriage. Marriage would not have been invented just because people were tennis partners, or office workers in the same cubicle, or best friends. So breeding is the foundation for the very institution of marriage.

How do you reconcile this with your advocacy for SS"M"?

 

[sedonaman]

The semantic problem is referring to homosexual couples as having a “gay lifestyle.” We have one local gay couple who both hold down regular jobs, who have adopted three special needs children abandoned at birth. They take care of their kids, chauffeur them to soccer games and birthday parties, cook dinner, wash clothes and clean the house, get their kids to school and church on time, plan family vacations, etc. This sounds like a “family lifestyle” to me.

StAnastasia

Ego, homosexuality is good.

 

[tm30]

You may need to think about that again.

So the ends of self-defence and duty justify the means of killing another human.

That is a case of the ends justifying the means.

No. Self-defense and duty are precepts which, in a just situation, authorize the means; they are not ends. The end of self-defense is survival. The end of duty is obedience.

The end of justice and the rule of law justify the means of killing another human being.

Another case of the ends justifying the means.

Wrong. Justice, by definition, cannot exist as an end, where the means is unjust. Injustice cannot produce justice. Abortion can never produce justice. Homosexual lifestyles can never produce authentic justice.

 

[sedonaman]

If you have a larger study, then please reference it. If you have a study that shows different results then please reference it.

To quote, again, from the Abstract that I already posted:
they were assigned to groups on the basis of their scores on the Index of Homophobia (W. W. Hudson & W. A. Ricketts, 1980).

If you want to know more of the details of the study I referenced then follow the link I gave and read the whole paper.

rossum

I’m challenging you to defend your reference. A small sample size is less likely to be representative. Carefully selected subjects can give you the results you want.

 

[sedonaman]

Last time I looked Gay Marriage was not legal in Texas. Has the law changed there recently?

rossum

The teacher denied the student his right to free speech. That was my response to claims that no one’s rights will be denied because of SS"M".

 

[tm30]

As the younger generation say to us old fogies, “LOL”

We should put you both on an isolated island to fight it out over whose God condemsn whom to hell!

The road to perdition is wide. Few find the narrow path to heaven. I didn’t say it. You’ll have to take it up with the Son of God.

Oh no – I am a foe of superstition of any kind!

You certainly follow the superstition of moral relativism.

Not unless you consider participating in the Eucharist to be “occult,” which I don’t (although my atheist colleagues consider it so).

Confused here. How can you participate in the Eucharist if you reject the Sacred Tradition and teachings of the Church as superstition?

 

[StAnastasia]

How do you reconcile this with your advocacy for SS"M"?

When did I advocate SS"M"?

 

[StAnastasia]

No, it puts her “parents” firmly in hell, and risks her salvation down the line when she realizes the Church condemns their lifestyle, and she chooses to ignore infallible Church teaching thereof.

OK. we disagree on this one.

No it’s not. Do you think Satan is a myth?

 

[Soldier_Of_God]

I’m challenging you to defend your reference. A small sample size is less likely to be representative. Carefully selected subjects can give you the results you want.

Not only is this an issue, the conclusions reached in the research do not indicate “homophobic” people are necessarily inclined to be homosexual in their sexuality (repressed or otherwise). Furthermore, a sizable (albeit smaller) percentage of the “non-homphobic” group showed arousal for the homosexual content, rending the correlation less conclusive than postulated.

 

[tm30]

Satan is a powerful theological symbol.

 

[StAnastasia]

This is heresy.

Hey, I was formally denounced as a heretic to a bishop in Washington last year. He was amused at the denunciation, and handled the matter with pastoral grace.

Those are disciplines, not moral absolutes

. The Ten Commandments speak of moral absolutes. They have nothing to say about dietary guidelines or fashion mistakes.

Deuteronomy 6:1-2 "These are the commands, decrees and laws the LORD your God directed me to teach you to observe in the land that you are crossing the Jordan to possess, so that you, your children and their children after them may fear the LORD your God as long as you live by keeping all his decrees and commands that I give you, and so that you may enjoy long life. "

From what I can gather, you are not very familiar with Scripture.

I have taught Old Testament, but my doctorate is not in that field.

It also seems you reject the New Testament.

No.

My only conclusion is that you are either a lapsed Catholic, or not a Catholic to begin with, but posing as one in order to spread error on this board. If you are

Catholic, my charitable recommendation is that you contact your pastor as soon as possible and discuss these subjects for his guidance. These are not trivial matters.

My pastor and I discuss these matters often after church. But I’d better get back to work. Talk to you later.

 

[qui_est_ce]

The semantic problem is referring to homosexual couples as having a “gay lifestyle.” We have one local gay couple who both hold down regular jobs, who have adopted three special needs children abandoned at birth. They take care of their kids, chauffeur them to soccer games and birthday parties, cook dinner, wash clothes and clean the house, get their kids to school and church on time, plan family vacations, etc. This sounds like a “family lifestyle” to me.

StAnastasia

Are there no heterosexual couples available to adopt the special needs children?

Because this couple is doing good things does not make their lifestyle choice right.

Did you know that in Missouri, there is a waiting list for adopting children with Down’s Syndrome?

 

[StAnastasia]

Are there no heterosexual couples available to adopt the special needs children?

I don’t know; I would have to research that.

Because this couple is doing good things does not make their lifestyle choice right.

 

[sedonaman]

When did I advocate SS"M"?

… We have one local gay couple who both hold down regular jobs, who have adopted three special needs children abandoned at birth. They take care of their kids, chauffeur them to soccer games and birthday parties, cook dinner, wash clothes and clean the house, get their kids to school and church on time, plan family vacations, etc. This sounds like a “family lifestyle” to me.

StAnastasia

If this sounds like a “family lifestyle” to you, your post sounds like advocacy of SS"M" to me. If you do not advocate SS"M", then let’s see a post from you condemning it. And no equivocating.

 

[Soldier_Of_God]

With regards to Old Testament decrees, regulations about what to wear and what to eat were mandated in order that Jews live separate lives from Gentiles. Such restrictions are now inapplicable because neither the Kingdom of Israel nor the Temple exist. There is no context for them. However, the Old Testament moral rules (e.g. sexual behavior, human sacrifice, etc.) still apply because their context applies to all human beings. Nonetheless, Catholics are to manifest their faith as outlined by Christ, the New Testament and by the Catholic Church.

 

[StAnastasia]

If this sounds like a “family lifestyle” to you, your post sounds like advocacy of SS"M" to me. If you do not advocate SS"M", then let’s see a post from you condemning it. And no equivocating.

Reread post # 191.

 

[sedonaman]

Not only is this an issue, the conclusions reached in the research do not indicate “homophobic” people are necessarily inclined to be homosexual in their sexuality (repressed or otherwise). Furthermore, a sizable (albeit smaller) percentage of the “non-homphobic” group showed arousal for the homosexual content, rending the correlation less conclusive than postulated.

Thanks. I think research like this is based on the full societal acceptance, if not endorsement, of homosexuality being the current cause célèbre in today’s academia. And anyone who opposes it is seen as “unenlightened”.

 

[Soldier_Of_God]

Thanks. I think research like this is based on the full societal acceptance, if not endorsement, of homosexuality being the current cause célèbre in today’s academia. And anyone who opposes it is seen as “unenlightened”.

The prejudice of this research postulate becomes evident because of the insistent use of the terms “homophobic” and “homophobia” throughout the document. This is not a formalized dysfunctional condition but yet it is positioned as such by the research documenters. Further, the term today is loaded in such as way as its utilization is designed to curtail honest debate regarding homosexual issues.