Gay marriage OK because homosexuals born that way and deserve to have romantic relationships too?

[pathia]

Nobody has a right to mistreat you. I’m sorry that those things happened to you.

Here we are discussing whether a law is “discriminatory.” And no, laws forbidding gay marriage are not “discriminatory.” A discriminatory law would be one forbidding gays from voting. A law that says everyone, gay or straight, must follow the same definition of marriage is not discriminatory.

My partner was prevented from visiting me in the hospital. I had to get a lawyer to file paperwork against my own family, because they had disowned me at the time, to block them from taking over my medical choices. This has happened dozens of times as reported in the media, and I would no t be surprised if its happened hundreds if not thousands of times and people just give up and don’t fight it.

I love my family dearly, but I don’t trust them anymore. I don’t trust them to do the right thing. My partner would gladly let them come visit, but they would not extend that right to him, not without legal threats.

 

[buffalo]

Thanks for the link. It highlights how the “anti-gay” ideology, has slowly shifted from the backdrop of scripture and morality, from which there was never support to begin with, to the more accurate setting of prejudice and the quest for ownership of empty rehtoric.
Do you honestly think that God didn’t hear the cries of the millions of people throughout history who have been victimized by the religious lies concerning gays; lies that are finally rising to the surface? The Church is beyond guilty with it’s false, discriminatory, anti-scriptural teachings regarding gays. And you have a front row seat at being able to watch her as well as other false teachings, finally being called out on it. And I don’t think you’re even aware of the fact that the link you provided does more to work against you and the faulty position you support than any of my responses to your posts.

Refuting Homosexuals who Use the Bible to Defend Homosexuality

 

[Annn]

My partner was prevented from visiting me in the hospital. I had to get a lawyer to file paperwork against my own family, because they had disowned me at the time, to block them from taking over my medical choices. This has happened dozens of times as reported in the media, and I would no t be surprised if its happened hundreds if not thousands of times and people just give up and don’t fight it.

I love my family dearly, but I don’t trust them anymore. I don’t trust them to do the right thing. My partner would gladly let them come visit, but they would not extend that right to him, not without legal threats.

Pathia, I know our situations are quite different, but I just want to express my sympathy and hope your family will one day feel differently. I know my family would never keep my significant other “out in the cold” despite my orientation.

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

There is no gay gene.

Of course not, but it has to be understood that the brain can do magnificent things we can’t even imagine. Our minds are more powerful than we give them credit for.

Ironically Yours.

 

[buffalo]

Of course not, but it has to be understood that the brain can do magnificent things we can’t even imagine. Our minds are more powerful than we give them credit for.

Ironically Yours.

Meaning we could just think we are gay?

 

[truagape]

Refuting Homosexuals who Use the Bible to Defend Homosexuality

Instead of me addressing the errors of the non-factual, naive perspective found in your link, I think your lesson would be better learned if you rubbed your own nose in it and call out the biased mistakes yourself.

The first part of your link addresses the Sodom story. Well, before I even present any form of a rebuttal, let me first ask you a very basic question. If the victims were materialized angels and the mob were humans, then at what point in the story is there even a possibility of a homosexual encounter?

 

[truagape]

My partner was prevented from visiting me in the hospital. I had to get a lawyer to file paperwork against my own family, because they had disowned me at the time, to block them from taking over my medical choices. This has happened dozens of times as reported in the media, and I would no t be surprised if its happened hundreds if not thousands of times and people just give up and don’t fight it.

I love my family dearly, but I don’t trust them anymore. I don’t trust them to do the right thing. My partner would gladly let them come visit, but they would not extend that right to him, not without legal threats.

So sad. Just out of curiosity, what religion is your family?

 

[buffalo]

Instead of me addressing the errors of the non-factual, naive perspective found in your link, I think the lesson would be better learned if you rubbed your own nose in it and call out the biased mistakes yourself.

The first part of your link addresses the Sodom story. Well, before I even present any form of a rebuttal, let me first ask you a very basic question. If the victims were materialized angels and the mob were humans, then at what point in the story is there even a possibility of a homosexual encounter?

The mob did not know they were materialized angels. They thought they were human. They were very handsome and physically desirable. No doubt the Sodomites would go after them. It is very similar to the lust men show toward beautiful women.

 

[truagape]

The mob did not know they were materialized angels. They thought they were human. They were very handsome and physically desirable. No doubt the Sodomites would go after them. It is very similar to the lust men show toward beautiful women.

You did not answer my question! You can side-step it if you like but if you are an advocate of the biblical facts as contained within Sacred Scripture, then you will leave the games to the Pharisees. Now, do you intend to answer the question or not? At what point in the story is there even the possibility of a homosexual encounter if the mob were humans, and the victims weren’t?

 

[buffalo]

You did not answer my question! You can side-step it if you like but if you are an advocate of the biblical facts as contained within Sacred Scripture, then you will leave the games to the Pharisees. Now, do you intend to answer the question or not? At what point in the story is there even the possibility of a homosexual encounter if the mob were humans, and the victims weren’t?

It’s a dumb question. Obviously men would not be able to have relations with them, but it did not stop them from trying. The desire and intent are key here.

 

[pathia]

So sad. Just out of curiosity, what religion is your family?

Roman Catholic

 

[truagape]

It’s a dumb question. Obviously men would not be able to have relations with them, but it did not stop them from trying. The desire and intent are key here.

What do you mean by “obviously”? What was so “obvious” about the encounter not even having the chance of being a “homosexual” one?

And in regards to your last statement, I couldn’t agree with you more. More on this later…

 

[truagape]

Roman Catholic

I wonder what scriptures your family would use to justify their unscriptural views and responses to you. I would also wonder about what institution in particular would they attribute their perspectives regarding beautiful people such as yourself.
As I have said before and will continue to say on these forums, the lies and misrepresentations the Church has influenced its followers with are far, far from innocent. It makes me sad to think about the “fiery torment” you have been put through as a result.

 

[Blade_and_Blood]

Meaning we could just think we are gay?

Not necessarily. It’s not the heart that falls in love, it’s the brain (but don’t tell your lover that ). The brain just happens to be attracted to certain things: for a lot of people, their brains are attracted to someone of the opposite sex; for others, they are attracted to someone of the same sex.

You’re on the right track, though.

Ironically Yours.

 

[buffalo]

What do you mean by “obviously”? What was so “obvious” about the encounter not even having the chance of being a “homosexual” one?

And in regards to your last statement, I couldn’t agree with you more. More on this later…

It is obvious to us, since we know more about angels. To them the angels appeared as human.

 

[yellowbicycle]

If ‘being born that way’ is good enough reason to do things, why can’t I sleep around on my husband? Or, why isn’t polygamy accepted? Why can’t I have 14 husband if that’s the way my attraction is leaning?

 

[Ridgerunner]

Maybe this has already been covered, but there is no persuasive evidence that anyone is “born homosexual”. But, since the APA has accepted homosexuality as a “variant of normal”, based on psych ideology (if you’re comfortable with yourself, you’re “well”) rather than on any kind of evidence, the subject basically cannot be studied.

 

[PJM]

Over the years I have read as many “informed” opinions that one is NOT born gay, as I have that they are. That being said a question and a comment.

How can one be “born gay” if neither the mother or the father of that person are not “gay?”

Comment: God Himself set the standards of marriage: The first book of the bible tells us to “be fruitful and multiply, populate the whole earth.” It’s been a while sense “biology 101.” but I seem to recall that it takes “a man and women” to get this job done:thumbsup:

Marrige is not FIRST about love, which is, God willing a by product of every marriage, marriage assumes a specific and necessary role to populate the earth, with us being the only species made in"the image and likeness of God Himself."

This applies too, to those opting for conterceptive sex. It too is a grevious No No:thumbsup:

The Holy Bible, completely inspired by God tells us time and again that sodomy and homosexually are grevious sins.

We do have the "power to deny God and His Laws, we do not have any GOD GIVEN right to do so. So guess where that “right” orginates? Could it be Satan?

God’s continued Blessings,
PJM m.c.

 

[kathyw1025]

The general resaon the Catholic church must deny homosexuality is because of the lack of ability to reproduce. As the church also must condemn anal sex and oral sex even when preformed by a husband and wife. Any sexual relation that does not allow for the possibility of pregnancy is wrong according to the Catholic church.

Legally speaking…the homosexuals should have the rights to be united. Though it should not be called “marriage” as this is a religious term. In some states, civil unions (which give some but not all rights of traditional marriage) are banned. Kentucky (my home state) has banned gay marriage as well as civil unions. This is discriminatory just as it was illegal a few years ago for interracial marriage. Many have good arguements for why certain marriages should not take place but the bottom line it that the US has founded itself on not pushing a religion on its citizens. The only basis for not allowing gay “marriage” is religious.

As far as the genetic issue…webmd.com/sex-relationships/news/20050128/is-there-gay-gene
there is probably not 1 gay gene but a group of genes that predispositions one to be gay. Predispositions can be faught against but are extrememly difficult to combat.

The church has no obligation to condone homosexuality but does have an obligation to love even the homosexuals. The governemnt has an obligation to give homosexuals the same right as everyone else and give them the right to not be discriminated against.

 

[Molly2000z]

Hi everyone. A friend of mine has come up with an argument for homosexual marriage that I can’t seem to defeat. He says that homosexuals should be allowed to marry because of the fact that they were born that way and also because they deserve to have romantic relationships too. He says it would be unjust to deprive them of equal rights just because they are attracted to the same sex. How do I counter this?

Does your friend want to be married in a civil ceremony or in a
religious ceremony.
There is a church that ministers almost exclusively to Gay folks and they can get married there.
If he/she wants to change the mainline religions then he needs to understand that it’s prohibited by the faith of those members and he has an uphill battle.
If he just wants to marry someone he already has that right in at least two states so why is he harping on it?