But can’t you see how presumptive this is? Regardless, it matters not to me why a person became gay. What matters to me is that they live a healthy and happy life, just as God intended. For them to do that, they should be able to practice their sexuality just like anyone else. Most gays will tell you the “healing” they need is from those who manipulate and exclude them; they do not need healing from their attraction to members of the same sex.You are right, there are children who grow up in seemingly “healthy” homes, but do we know for sure. Maybe it’s just rebellion pure and simple. But the people I’ve talked to, read about and from my own experience tell me the majority seem to have similar backgrounds of some kind of wrong thinking, abuse, rebellion or what have you. It seems to go back to wrong thinking somewhere in the child’s life even if he didn’t have an abusive background, at some point he comes to feel this way or identifies himself as such. Either way, there is still healing through Jesus Christ.
There has been almost zero evidence to support the distant father/overbearing mother ‘theory’. It can’t even be tested. Even the fact when my mother brought me into therapy ‘proved’ to my therapist that she was overbearing, because she thought it important enough that I get treated. Everything is an arrow point at the parents.The World
Many male homosexuals speak of growing up with a male authority problem rooted in a distant or harsh, unaffirming father couples and a too emotionally dependent mother. The personality disorder that this kind of family life can be complex and sometimes very deep. But suffice it to say that many such personalities seek love from a pseudo father figure and often find that ‘false’ love in the typical predatory male homosexual type. I believe this is exactly what a pediofiiliac is, someone that prays upon “innocent” such personality types.
pathia, I truly hope at some point you can come to a peace with yourself. It sounds like you have a very tragic story. I hope that you can get to the point to where you believe in yourself for everything that you are and that you can enjoy your life. I think it is getting clearer to you what kind of healing needs to happen and that it’s certainly not from your sexual orientation. If I were you, I would think about taking a break from forums like this as you will encounter a substantial number of people who will continue to hurt you. I wish you the best in life.There has been almost zero evidence to support the distant father/overbearing mother ‘theory’. It can’t even be tested. Even the fact when my mother brought me into therapy ‘proved’ to my therapist that she was overbearing, because she thought it important enough that I get treated. Everything is an arrow point at the parents.
Therapy to ‘fix’ this parental problem is directly responsible for four of my suicide attempts and directly responsible for the deaths of several my childhood friends. Therapy MURDERED them. They were children, the youngest I knew was ELEVEN. What culpability does an eleven year old have if they commit suicide? I am fairly sure the burden lies more with those around the child that led him or her to such a solution than with the child.
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Well, let’s just be presumptive for a minute and say that it is rebellion, not need-based affirmation from same sex parent, which I believe it truly is, and if it is purely rebellion (which is only part of it), then it is truly sin. Back to reality, if you read the first chapter of Romans, Paul says it for what it truly is: In the beginning, God put the truth in every person’s heart. But man chose to ignore the Truth. He turned away from God and chose to believe a lie. Men burned in their passions toward one another, women exchanged the truth with a lie and burned in their passions for one another. Men with men, women with women. Their consciences were seared, so God turned them over to their lusts…(ad lib), Romans1.But can’t you see how presumptive this is? Regardless, it matters not to me why a person became gay. What matters to me is that they live a healthy and happy life, just as God intended. For them to do that, they should be able to practice their sexuality just like anyone else. Most gays will tell you the “healing” they need is from those who manipulate and exclude them; they do not need healing from their attraction to members of the same sex.
I take breaks from time to time, it is about due for another, you are right.pathia, I truly hope at some point you can come to a peace with yourself. It sounds like you have a very tragic story. I hope that you can get to the point to where you believe in yourself for everything that you are and that you can enjoy your life. I think it is getting clearer to you what kind of healing needs to happen and that it’s certainly not from your sexual orientation. If I were you, I would think about taking a break from forums like this as you will encounter a substantial number of people who will continue to hurt you. I wish you the best in life.
I didn’t mean to hurt you, Pathia. We are all truly loved by God whoever we are and however we feel and whatever we do. Your case is certainly different than the mainstream homosexual. In my references, I wasn’t singling you out by any means. I hope I wasn’t misunderstood. I’m not talking about therapy to change anyone here. I was simply referring to support groups for people who don’t want to act out homosexually.There has been almost zero evidence to support the distant father/overbearing mother ‘theory’. It can’t even be tested. Even the fact when my mother brought me into therapy ‘proved’ to my therapist that she was overbearing, because she thought it important enough that I get treated. Everything is an arrow point at the parents.
Therapy to ‘fix’ this parental problem is directly responsible for four of my suicide attempts and directly responsible for the deaths of several my childhood friends. Therapy MURDERED them. They were children, the youngest I knew was ELEVEN. What culpability does an eleven year old have if they commit suicide? I am fairly sure the burden lies more with those around the child that led him or her to such a solution than with the child.
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And I applaud those who manage it but it is not necessary as there is no sin and no sickness in the orientation if not acted upon.
I pray that you find the healing you need, it may not be what you want, but I hope you receive what you need. PAXI don’t know what else you could call what was done to me but 'robbing. It was butchering surgery that left me scarred, infected and in a constant battle against liver, bladder and urinal infections throughout my entire life.
It isn’t just ‘sex’ that was robbed of me, much was robbed of me. My childhood was robbed by the therapy and my health was robbed by the butchery. I wish I knew what a normal childhood was, I really do.
I don’t want you to say your experiences are false, I don’t think you’re making them up. It just seems to only experienced one stereotype of a homosexual, while I’ve seen many other ‘types’ so to speak.
Actually, God does NOT call us to happiness. He calls us to obedience. Happiness is nice, but it is NOT a given–and it is certainly NOT a right! In fact, we are promised troubles. Christ Himself is “a Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief.” Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart is pierced with seven swords. Who said life was about being happy?But can’t you see how presumptive this is? Regardless, it matters not to me why a person became gay. What matters to me is that they live a healthy and happy life, just as God intended. For them to do that, they should be able to practice their sexuality just like anyone else. Most gays will tell you the “healing” they need is from those who manipulate and exclude them; they do not need healing from their attraction to members of the same sex.
Your presumption is that you assume that homosexuality is either a)A result of a dysfunctional relationship with a parent or b)some type of rebellion. I have known many, many gays and none of them are “b” so cross that out. Regarding “a”, as the rule goes, correlation need not imply causation. There are equally as many people who turned out heterosexual from dysfunctional families as there are homosexual. So cross out “a.” Now that you’re left with the most reasonable explanation (which you refuse to consider based on your presuppositions) - that they do not choose to whom they are attracted - it gets crossed out. But why? If it’s only due to Romans 1, well there’s a variety of alternate readings of that passage that are different than yours and yet theologically sound.Well, let’s just be presumptive for a minute and say that it is rebellion, not need-based affirmation from same sex parent, which I believe it truly is, and if it is purely rebellion (which is only part of it), then it is truly sin. Back to reality, if you read the first chapter of Romans, Paul says it for what it truly is: In the beginning, God put the truth in every person’s heart. But man chose to ignore the Truth. He turned away from God and chose to believe a lie. Men burned in their passions toward one another, women exchanged the truth with a lie and burned in their passions for one another. Men with men, women with women. Their consciences were seared, so God turned them over to their lusts…(ad lib), Romans1.
It comes down to the simple truth that man turned from God, the Creator, to meet his own needs apart from God, and turned to the creature, man - the sin of idolatry, and this is surely not presumptive, my friend!
This not the Westboro Baptist web site, The Church has pretty clear teaching on homosexuality Homosexuality and its cause can be is complicated, just as any other behavoir, the Church does not comdemn those that have an inclination to Same Sex Attraction, but if one cannot see the disorder it brings to those that act on those inclinations as history and statistics lay it all out, which is pretty clear and don’t seem to have a grasp of the ideas of natural law well even without an eye infection see things a bit blurry. Iexcuse typing…I have an eye infection and all is a bit blurry.
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I define “happiness” as the pursuit of human fulfillment. I refuse to worship a person’s God who calls us to anything other than that. I recognize we all must suffer but that’s decidedly not the point here. The point here is that many of you are constructing a mandate from God for people to be celibate if they are homosexual. That is not virtue. It’s also not obedience…to God at least.Actually, God does NOT call us to happiness. He calls us to obedience. Happiness is nice, but it is NOT a given–and it is certainly NOT a right! In fact, we are promised troubles. Christ Himself is “a Man of sorrows and acquainted with grief.” Our Lady’s Immaculate Heart is pierced with seven swords. Who said life was about being happy?
Actually, celibacy IS what God requires of those with SSA. That IS obedience to God.I define “happiness” as the pursuit of human fulfillment. I refuse to worship a person’s God who calls us to anything other than that. I recognize we all must suffer but that’s decidedly not the point here. The point here is that many of you are constructing a mandate from God for people to be celibate if they are homosexual. That is not virtue. It’s also not obedience…to God at least.
No, it is only what the Church has required. It wouldn’t even make sense for God to require that.Actually, celibacy IS what God requires of those with SSA. That IS obedience to God.
Just follow back to other post and threads where I have posted on this subject in the past… Like what has been noted, this thread has been going on since 2005 so read it…Bennie, where you getting those “statistics”?
Pathia, I am a priest. I jumped into this thread with a theoretical argument that I now realize does little to help the gay people who are doing most of the posting, each having a real need for being on the forum and in this thread. I am sorry if anything I wrote offended you. There is so much more that I could say that I am sorry that what I chose perhaps did that…I take breaks from time to time, it is about due for another, you are right.
I can never come to peace with myself, I refuse to, because that would mean giving up and proving so many people right. Much of my pain, insanity and sorrow comes directly from things done to me as a child. The church bears an unsmall amount responsibility for what was done to me as a child, or at least its keepers do, so I will never have any peace, not until it apologizes. There is very little I would consider worse than harming a child and the church won’t even listen to me, or speak to me, or anything, nothing…nothing.