Gay marriage : who cares?

[PassingThru]

If you can find anywhere, in Christ’s Church, where “having sex with your mouth” is taught, show me.

Just as a mother may kiss her child’s arm, if it has been hurt, and express her love that it may make it “better”, the tongue and lips may be so used sexually. “Oral” pertains to the tongue and lips as part of the mouth, as the non-perverts know.

Attempts to denigrate and misrepresent Christ’s Church, and the natural moral law, is what homomania is all about, because there is never any other explanation offered.

Interesting, my response was deleted.

If you can find anywhere, in Christ’s Church, where “having sex with your mouth” is taught, show me.

“Having sex with your mouth” is oral sex. I phrased it that way to match your post. You JUST POSTED a response demonstrating the Church condoning oral sex within the bounds of marital sex. Ill repeat: You JUST POSTED a response demonstrating the Church condoning oral sex within the bounds of marital sex. Its like bizzarro world in here. Are you now denying this post?

It is getting kind of sad how every die hard in here is dropping away when asked to explain their own assertions. Abu, you will be the third or fourth, actually I think the fifth to fade away and avoid a simple question.

Will you please, please, support your own assertion by answering the question?

 

[PassingThru]

Great stuff, karolec. Sanity prevails.

No, its you burying your head in the sand. No one in here is “fighting” SSA. Its yet another distraction. Currently, we are all waiting for you to explain the difference between anal and oral sex, as it relates to its "natural"ness. This is *your *assertion. Go ahead…

 

[PassingThru]

This Thread needs a reality check–perhaps some personal stories of real people who had the guts and courage to confront their SSA ----there are others as well–worth the effort

couragerc.net/TestimoniesMark.html

Jesus,I trust in You.

Eternal Father,I offer You the Body and Blood,Soul and Divinity of Your dearly beloved Son,Our Lord Jesus Christ for our sins and those of the whole world;for the sake of His sorrowful Passion,have mercy on us.

No, this is you interjecting to try and distract us, as no one will come to the defense of another inconsistency. We just settled one as bunk (the “pleasure” debate). Stop trying to distract us from another.

 

[larkin31]

It is getting kind of sad how every die hard in here is dropping away when asked to explain their own assertions. Abu, you will be the third or fourth, actually I think the fifth to fade away and avoid a simple question.

Will you please, please, support your own assertion by answering the question?

npatrol:

I’m on the lookout for his reply…

 

[Abu]

Statements attuned to homomania

PassingThru
we can surely then engage in anal sex as well, so long as it is part of the “totality of the act” as you say
Having sex with your mouth “cannot be procreative it cannot unify those engaged in it by tending toward a child who will have characteristics of both parents.”

The purpose of those promoting homosexual behaviour is to denigrate, Christ, and Christ’s Church because She teaches so clearly that all men and women should practise chastity within and outside of marriage – which is natural only between a man and a woman for the unitive and procreative ends of marriage.

This deconstruction of morality tries to equate the many aberrations which include mutual masturbation, anal sex, and then oral sex which they identify as an act which “cannot be procreative” because they choose to equate the term with a climax which does not conform to the defined moral action of “true and real marriage acts”, where the climax occurs when the married couple are two in one flesh; as Fr John A Harvey explains: “oral or anal intercourse remains on the surface and is not inside the human being, whereas vaginal intercourse is about a real physical union.” The Truth About Homosexuality, Ignatius, 1996, p 134-138; see post #580].

The ranting and raving which has become a part of the homosexual agenda aimed at Christ’s’ Church and Her founder distorts any and everything which the activists dislike, regardless of logic, truth and the natural moral law.

This is clearly seen from the statements attuned to homomania which are meant to promote their agenda and which have been exposed always and everywhere. We have had many great Catholic answers based on Jesus, the Way the Truth and the Life, the Jesus who did not leave us orphans.

We, who are Catholics and know Fr John Corapi, care enough about those mired in confusion and deceit, to never surrender to error and to the perpetrators, for the narrow world of selfism based on the reward for self as the only functional ethical principle.

BTW,
November 03, 2010:
Voters in Iowa have ousted three judges of the state’s highest court who voted to give legal recognition to same-sex marriages. [iowaindependent.com/46959/judicial-retention-vote-sets-stage-for-push-to-overturn-gay-marriage]](http://iowaindependent.com/46959/ju...-sets-stage-for-push-to-overturn-gay-marriage])

Keep up the fight for the good and true.

Why should any pairing unrelated to the procreation and fostering of children and the common good of mankind be supported or promoted as “marriage”?
See Why the world needs a renewed culture of marriage, Alan C. Carlson
catholiceducation.org/articles/marriage/mf0137.htm

 

[larkin31]

Abu, you will be the third or fourth, actually I think the fifth to fade away and avoid a simple question.

Will you please, please, support your own assertion by answering the question?

npatrol:

Still no answer yet…

 

[karoleck]

npatrol:

Still no answer yet…

You my friend have all the hallmarks of a sex maniac-a raving madman,(the sex offernders’ prisons are full of people as yourself–given over to their “kinky”(-your words)–lust perverse sexual pleasures. You have been given answers to your perverse ideas ;you do not what to know the truth–you only want to be “right”!! your right is evil,your ideas are anti-Christ.
St.Michael, protect us from all evil spirits.Amen

 

[larkin31]

You my friend have all the hallmarks of a sex maniac-a raving madman,(the sex offernders’ prisons are full of people as yourself–given over to their “kinky”(-your words)–lust perverse sexual pleasures. You have been given answers to your perverse ideas ;you do not what to know the truth–you only want to be “right”!! your right is evil,your ideas are anti-Christ.
St.Michael, protect us from all evil spirits.Amen

Is this parody?

Or should you be suspended for an ad hominem rant?

 

[davidv]

Is this parody?

Or should you be suspended for an ad hominem rant?

No.
and
No.

 

[larkin31]

No.
and
No.

well I have been sent away for less.

But maybe I will learn something from this case.

 

[davidv]

well I have been sent away for less.

But maybe I will learn something from this case.

If so, please restate the post that you so sacrastically replied to, in your own words. Then explain what you think it means. Then see if you have a different answer than the one you gave.

 

[larkin31]

If so, please restate the post that you so sacrastically replied to, in your own words. Then explain what you think it means. Then see if you have a different answer than the one you gave.

You’re asking me to repeat a post that slanders and smears me?? What is up with some of you people? “Anything goes in the name of Christian self-righteousness”??

Back to the topic, please. I’ll let a moderator handle it from here, thanks.

 

[PJM]

=Nexttogodliness;7073832]Why do we care about gay marriage? We do nothing active to stop divorcees from re marrying outside the church so why would we stop homosexual from marrying outside the church. Counterpoints are welcome. Just don’t spew hate about gay people. Thx

we care BECAUSE GOD CARES! Thats sufficident reason for me and SHOULD BE for ALL od us!

 

[davidv]

You’re asking me to repeat a post that slanders and smears me?? What is up with some of you people? “Anything goes in the name of Christian self-righteousness”??

Back to the topic, please. I’ll let a moderator handle it from here, thanks.

There was no slander. I saw a summary of the position you stand for relative to sexual morality. And to the extent it reflects a disordered view of sexuality it is very much on topic. The mere title, as an oxymoron, is reflective of disordered, irrational thinking.

 

[PassingThru]

OK, so what we have so far:

Abu gave his fifth or sixth non answer. More ranting about the homosexual agenda, Iowa voters, a few quotes, etc. Not one thing you wrote explained your assertion that Oral sex is natural and anal sex is not.

Karolec jumped in and parroted some line about sex crazed maniacs and accused people of being the anti-Christ, or some such nonsense. Congratulations, you win the 4th grade “my daddy can beat up your daddy” contest. I also noticed you also said that “you have been given answers to your perverse ideas”. Really? Please, by all means, copy and paste it for us to see. You are the second or third person to *say *the question has been answered, but not actually answered it. Bravo.

And David jumped in and added nothing.

So, basically, we still have not one answer to a simple question.

(BTW, an acceptable tact would be to admit both are unnatural. Which would lead to a further discussion on why one is condoned, and one is not. But at least it would remove the “anal sex is unnatural, therefor it is forbidden” when other unnatural acts are accepted.)

Second add:

(I will repeat: This is not to say that therefor anal sex should be accepted, and therefor gay marriage is good. That is what the “tin hat” crowd I feel is fighting. The point is that the “natural” argument is being applied subjectively, and is therefor not a rational logic to argue against anal intercourse. If you allow one unnatural sex act, but forbid another, there must be another reason. This is pretty simple logic.)

 

[PassingThru]

Statements attuned to homomania

The purpose of those promoting homosexual behaviour is to denigrate, Christ, and Christ’s Church because She teaches so clearly that all men and women should practise chastity within and outside of marriage – which is natural only between a man and a woman for the unitive and procreative ends of marriage.

This deconstruction of morality tries to equate the many aberrations which include mutual masturbation, anal sex, and then oral sex which they identify as an act which “cannot be procreative” because they choose to equate the term with a climax which does not conform to the defined moral action of “true and real marriage acts”, where the climax occurs when the married couple are two in one flesh; as Fr John A Harvey explains: “oral or anal intercourse remains on the surface and is not inside the human being, whereas vaginal intercourse is about a real physical union.” The Truth About Homosexuality, Ignatius, 1996, p 134-138; see post #580].

The ranting and raving which has become a part of the homosexual agenda aimed at Christ’s’ Church and Her founder distorts any and everything which the activists dislike, regardless of logic, truth and the natural moral law.

This is clearly seen from the statements attuned to homomania which are meant to promote their agenda and which have been exposed always and everywhere. We have had many great Catholic answers based on Jesus, the Way the Truth and the Life, the Jesus who did not leave us orphans.

We, who are Catholics and know Fr John Corapi, care enough about those mired in confusion and deceit, to never surrender to error and to the perpetrators, for the narrow world of selfism based on the reward for self as the only functional ethical principle.

BTW,
November 03, 2010:
Voters in Iowa have ousted three judges of the state’s highest court who voted to give legal recognition to same-sex marriages. [iowaindependent.com/46959/judicial-retention-vote-sets-stage-for-push-to-overturn-gay-marriage]](http://iowaindependent.com/46959/ju...-sets-stage-for-push-to-overturn-gay-marriage])

Keep up the fight for the good and true.

Why should any pairing unrelated to the procreation and fostering of children and the common good of mankind be supported or promoted as “marriage”?
See Why the world needs a renewed culture of marriage, Alan C. Carlson
catholiceducation.org/articles/marriage/mf0137.htm

So, I read this post a little more clearly. Ill summarize in an outline form:

-Roughly accused me of homomania (OK)
-Repeated that masturbation, oral sex and anal sex are immoral and not pro-creative. (OK, but the Church condones the oral sex, which you also reinforced)
-Rant against homosexual agenda
-More on homomania
-Call to “not surrender” (OK, can I place a call to “answer the question”?)
-Iowa voters kicked out judges who passed recognition of same sex marriage (Wait, I thought we couldn’t rely on the secular system? Oh, thats right, only when it goes the way you wanted… forgot that one)
-Link to Catholic article

OK, the list makes it a bit easier. Now, I still do not see anything that relates to your assertion, nor anything that approaches the answer asked you about it…


Why are you spending so much time and effort *not *answering the question? Would it not be easier to simply answer it?

There are only two options at this point:

1. You have no answer
2. You are confused as to what we are asking you

Now, I know you are a pretty smart guy, and that tends to rule out option 2. Am I off?

 

[larkin31]

OK, so what we have so far:

Abu gave his fifth or sixth non answer. More ranting about the homosexual agenda, Iowa voters, a few quotes, etc. Not one thing you wrote explained your assertion that Oral sex is natural and anal sex is not.

Karolec jumped in and parroted some line about sex crazed maniacs and accused people of being the anti-Christ, or some such nonsense. Congratulations, you win the 4th grade “my daddy can beat up your daddy” contest. I also noticed you also said that “you have been given answers to your perverse ideas”. Really? Please, by all means, copy and paste it for us to see. You are the second or third person to *say *the question has been answered, but not actually answered it. Bravo.

And David jumped in and added nothing.

So, basically, we still have not one answer to a simple question.

yah, well, this is not the first time that when the logic seems to fail them (which it usually does, since the moral code is not actually based on logic but rather prejudice, in the end) the most intense defenders of dogma kind of snap and unravel in these screeds in front of our eyes.

 

[Abu]

larkin31
the moral code is not actually based on logic but rather prejudice

The homosexual activists claim not to know what the natural moral law is although even the pagans attest to it. All such perverted acts are ipso facto unnatural. Same prejudice based on selfism. The blind cannot lead the blind.

But the natural moral law is “a law that is in principle accessible to human reason and not dependent on (though entirely compatible with and, indeed, illumined by) divine revelation.” (The Clash of Orthodoxies, Professor Robert P George (Princeton), 2001, p 169).

PassingThru
assertion that Oral sex is natural and anal sex is not. The point is that the “natural” argument is being applied subjectively, and is therefor not a rational logic to argue against anal intercourse. If you allow one unnatural sex act, but forbid another, there must be another reason.

Here, very precisely, we have “oral sex” equated to “anal intercourse”, exactly what was identified in post #899 as condemned because “oral or anal intercourse remains on the surface and is not inside the human being, whereas vaginal intercourse is about a real physical union.” Both are unnatural and evil as against the natural moral law as well as condemned by St Paul.

It is the homosexual activists who try to distort what Christ teaches through His Church, to promote both oral and anal intercourse.
The inability to procreate and form children with a mother and father, the lack of fidelity and the abuse are hallmarks in the myopia of homomania.

 

[PassingThru]

The homosexual activists claim not to know what the natural moral law is although even the pagans attest to it. All such perverted acts are ipso facto unnatural. Same prejudice based on selfism. The blind cannot lead the blind.

But the natural moral law is “a law that is in principle accessible to human reason and not dependent on (though entirely compatible with and, indeed, illumined by) divine revelation.” (The Clash of Orthodoxies, Professor Robert P George (Princeton), 2001, p 169).

Here, very precisely, we have “oral sex” equated to “anal intercourse”, exactly what was identified in post #899 as condemned because “oral or anal intercourse remains on the surface and is not inside the human being, whereas vaginal intercourse is about a real physical union.” Both are unnatural and evil as against the natural moral law as well as condemned by St Paul.

It is the homosexual activists who try to distort what Christ teaches through His Church, to promote both oral and anal intercourse.
The inability to procreate and form children with a mother and father, the lack of fidelity and the abuse are hallmarks in the myopia of homomania.

Good Show Abu.

You got a bit closer that time. Stop using ipso facto. You wrote this post, it is ipso facto that it will contain little relevant information and dodge the issue.

And stop saying we are blind, or pegans, or guilty of homomania. Its getting tiresome. Ill just respond in kind if you prefer.

Now, you seemed to just say, and I quote:

"Both are unnatural and evil as against the natural moral law as well as condemned by St Paul. "

So, YOU just asserted both anal and oral sex are un-nateral and against moral law. OK, good.

However, when I asserted that oral sex was un-natural, you responsed, and I quote (post 862):

*"False. You don’t know what “unnatural” is.

What the Church teaches is the totality of an act which is directed to procreative and unitive ends of marriage and the formation of children in mutual love and self-giving. A true marriage is a unique relationship between one man and one woman and it is designed to procreate life and form a family, for the good of the children and of society."*

And you then proceeded to use the “late great Fr Stephen Torraco” to back this up.

Then, in post 877, you said, and I quote:

“if the complete acts - the ones involving ejaculation of the man’s seed - that they engage in are true and real marriage acts." (Pope Pius XII).
and
“Here, oral sex, if present, is merely part of the totality of the marital act directed to the procreative and unitive ends of marriage.” - Abu

So, Abu, which is it? Either you are being dishonest now, or dishonest before. You are contradicting yourself. Stop ending every post by accusing someone of “false teaching” or “distorting the truth” We are using YOUR OWN QUOTES, and you accuse us essentially lying.

 

[karoleck]

Is this parody?

Or should you be suspended for an ad hominem rant?

The Vision of Hell
"Our Lady showed us a great sea of fire which seemed to be under the earth.Plunged in this fire were deamons and souls in human form,like transparent burning embers,all blackened or burnished bronze,floating about in the conflagration,now raised into the air by the flames that issued from within themselves together with great clouds of smoke,now falling back on every side like sparks in a hugh fire,without weight or equilibrium,and amid shrieks and groans and despair,which horrified us and made us tremble with fear.The Demons could be distinguished by their terrifying and repellent likeness to frightful and unknown animals,all black and transparent."page.108 Fatima in Lucia’s own words.

What has this quote to do with your posting?Our Lady told the children that most people go to the fires of Hell because of their sins of the flesh–the very type that you and your supporters think is natural–the pursuit of sexual pleasures that degrade the human soul–made in the image and likeness of God the Creator.You might reply that you do not believe in the punishment of unrepentant sin or that Hell exists–keep on your chosen path and you soon will–but it will be too late to repent.

Am I off this thread ? Yes and no!! Pursue a lifestyle of pleasure seeking and the above quote of the burning fires of Hell show us that God cares.How? Because in Gods’Mercy he send down to earth His Immaculate Mother,The Mother of God to warn us and to ask each Catholic to a life of prayer and penance ; not only catholics but for all humanity to change their evil ways.World War 11 was a punishment for sin that was not repented of.

As Jasinta exclaimed after seeing the vision of Hell in 1917 said "We have to pray and make many sacrifices for them(sinners).So in this spirit I too will promise to offer up my Rosaries and sacrifices that you will see the error of your ways(your “friends” included) and to seek Gods’Loving help and Mercy.

Oh My Jesus,forgive us our sins,save us from the fires of Hell,lead all souls to Heaven,especially those most in need of your Mercy.Amen.

(I am not sorry for anything that I have posted,you have twisted everything that people of this thread have posted that you disagree with–the devil did the same to Jesus)