Gay Marrige Counter-Argument

[toekneemac]

Encouraging monogamy would seem appropriate. Allowing marriage is certainly one tool. Allowing gays in high school the same latitude given to heterosexuals is another, and may even be more important. After all, it is in high school that individuals negotiate their values & attitudes and get their first experiences of romantic relationships. Dating, the idea of “going steady”, wasn’t permitted to gays in the past. But if this changes, as it seems to be happening, then I think we can look for increased monogamy in the future.

Strictly a hypothetical, with no basis. Monogamy has dropped in heteros today. It is a cultural thing. If anything, gays and heteros will equal out. And that is a real shame considering heteros are the ones who can produce offspring. Sex has been downplayed, and to prove it, gays are more open today. Accepting more gays today, will make sex even more non productive. Bad move.

 

[toekneemac]

Accepting gay marriage, is dropping the ball just like abortion. May as well forget anything and everything Catholic. Just chuck all of it and devout ones life to one particular political ideology.(hint, hint) They/you have more in common than any religion would.

 

[toekneemac]

This site seems to have some good references - U.S. Census Bureau, Journals of this-and-that, etc. - so take the references for what they’re worth. Most of the references are from the late '90s and early 2000’s, and I’m willing to bet that’s about as good as you’re going to find – I’m doubtful many universities are chomping at the bit to fund wide-ranging surveys about how promiscuous actively homosexual folks can be…but call me cynical.

God Bless,
RyanL

Look at the AIDS rates among gays. They suggest low monogamy. Are we really that stupid enough to NOT know hot to NOT get AIDS? I don’t think so. Not in this day and age.

 

[Dale_M]

Accepting more gays today, will make sex even more non productive.

I don’t know what you mean. Could you explain this a bit more?

 

[toekneemac]

I don’t know what you mean. Could you explain this a bit more?

Sure. In the post I was replying to, it was suggested that by accepting gays and “allowing” them to go steady, will increase the monogamy rate. Promiscouity is all the rage among heteros today. To presume that gays will suddenly take on monogamy simply because they are accepted, is probably not true. Why would it be? Even the heteros are turning their backs on it. I am saying that it is a bad argument in favor of gay acceptance. Sounds more like social experimentation. Even if monogamy did not increase, we are now left with the social acceptance of the gay lifestyle.

 

[Dale_M]

To presume that gays will suddenly take on monogamy simply because they are accepted, is probably not true.

A couple months ago the New York Times Magazine ran a lengthy article about gays in their early twenties who are marrying. It was purely anecdotal, no statistics were given, so I won’t try to dig it up (unless you insist). Apparently older gays were a bit puzzled that the young ones didn’t want to play the field. One of the explanations offered was that dating in high school gave them enough experimentation to know when they were ready to settle down.

Yes, promiscuity is rampant in the US, both for gay and straight communities. But don’t dismiss the cultural value placed on monogamy, stability, perseverance, and love. It is still attractive to a lot of Americans, both gay and straight.

 

[toekneemac]

A couple months ago the New York Times Magazine ran a lengthy article about gays in their early twenties who are marrying. It was purely anecdotal, no statistics were given, so I won’t try to dig it up (unless you insist). Apparently older gays were a bit puzzled that the young ones didn’t want to play the field. One of the explanations offered was that dating in high school gave them enough experimentation to know when they were ready to settle down.

Yes, promiscuity is rampant in the US, both for gay and straight communities. But don’t dismiss the cultural value placed on monogamy, stability, perseverance, and love. It is still attractive to a lot of Americans, both gay and straight.

observer.com/2008/marriage-between-young-gay-men-trend-isnt

The simple fact that you say they are married is telling. many rush into it because they can in a couple of states, and most are lesbians, simply because they can now. Acceptance is what may, if there is, a normalization of monogamy to the gays. That same agenda driven lib nonsense, is the same thing that is tearing apart heteros as well.

 

[Dale_M]

observer.com/2008/marriage-between-young-gay-men-trend-isnt

The article is a statistical slice and dice which really doesn’t say anything. The author is simply juggling numbers.

As I said before the New York Times Magazine was anecdotal. It didn’t make any great claims. But you seem honestly puzzled that gays would choose monogamy. I simply offered it as an example that some do.

The simple fact that you say they are married is telling. many rush into it because they can in a couple of states

No doubt that is true.

and most are lesbians

And what do you base that observation on?

Acceptance is what may, if there is, a normalization of monogamy to the gays.

Huh?

That same agenda driven lib nonsense, is the same thing that is tearing apart heteros as well.

What do you mean?

 

[toekneemac]

Dale_M;3829041

And what do you base that observation on?

Well, we are limited in data, granted, but:

“Lesbian couples outnumbered gay men heading to the altar 65% to 35%”

lesbianlife.about.com/od/wedding/a/MassOneYear.htm

Huh?

It is not high school and testing the waters on a mate that would increase monogomy in gay’s, but more the acceptance of them that would.

What do you mean?

I mean, feminism, single motherhood, cohabitation, are Lib ideologies. So is gay acceptance. The same ideology that is wrecking heteros, is pushing for gay acceptance.