Gay Professor has my class convinced that Gay marriage is good!

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I am disgusted by one of my classes at a Catholic University. Not only is the professor stuffing his extremist beliefs down our throats about gay marriage but has 99% of the class convinced that it would do a lot of good for our country. Most of the students claim to be Catholic BUT feel that implememting gay marraige in our nation will benefit children in the long run. I literally feel like I am the only one in class trying to fight the issue. It is draining and my fellow classmates become so angry when they argue their perversed points to me. Nobody cares about the traditional family anymore. I am so terrified for the day I will one day (God-willing ) be married and have children. How can a professor bias a class completely to this one topic is my question, and how are Catholics so easily swayed? It’s like losing a battle everyday in class. I leave in tears everytime. I wish i could record the responses I hear. Mind you the class is Social Problems and who would have known that the sole focus would be gays and their rights… I came to this institution hoping it would strengthen my faith but feel it is instead trying to tear it apart.

Also, I thought this was a great link that was overall short and easy reading

nogaymarriage.com/tenarguments.asp

Peace be with you all,

Neomi
 
I am sorry you are struggling with the class. Just remember college is college. Professors proport that they are teaching you to “think for yourself.” They aren’t, even at a Catholic School. My friend is encountering the same struggle at a public university.

Use this time to fast and pray for the greater glory of God. Reason alone will not sway your classmates. Your professor’s agenda is obvious. Our own parish priest wrote an article supporting civil unions. (Karl Keating even read it and commented on it.) I am not going to change my pastor and you won’t change your prof or classmates.

But God still can. Put it in His hands and stay there yourself. One person may see your witness and turn to Truth. God bless you during this trying time.
 
That professor must be fired now. He has no business teaching at a Catholic University :mad:

Go to the administration and report him. If there is no results, go to the bishop where the university is located. He has total control of the university’s Catholic idenity.

Dissent must be eliminated from all levels of Catholic education.
 
well… we know he is not a desendant of the citizens of Sodom and Gomorrah…

so where could he have gotten his views?:rolleyes:
 
I have a son who is in his second year at a Catholic College in New York State and a daughter who is a junior in a Catholic High School in Connecticut. I will tell you that this is a widespread problem. Many of the Professors and Teachers are not Catholic and many of the ones that are Catholic are very liberal. I don’t think that these Catholic Institutions have the proper guide lines in place for teachers to follow. Teachers from what I’ve been told by my children say pretty much what they want to. It’s shame to say this but don’t expect the truth about this matter or other moral questions to come from their places of learning, it has to come from home.
Don’t give in to your Professors, arm yourself with the word of God. There are absolutes written in God’s word that even the most liberal Professors and Teachers cannot discredit or deny.

Tony
 
I think I would make him state the obvious… I would raise my hand and ask, “So Prof., do you believe that you know better than the Pope? Are you saying that the Pope is wrong and you are right… and that we should reject the Pope’s views on this issue… and instead, accept yours?” And then ask him how he any different than the Protestants - isn’t he Protesting what the Pope & the Church has said? Shouldn’t he consider himself Protestant - rather than Catholic??

If I were in that class and I heard that conversation, I would think twice about blindly following the crowd. I think that’s the best you can hope for… you aren’t going to change his mind, but maybe you can get some of your classmates to think for themselves.

I agree though - REPORT him !! :mad: (And pray for him also)
 
This is really bad. A lot of souls are in grave danger in many Catholic Universities. Here is what the Church has to say about this:

Fifth Lateran Council:
piar.hu/councils/ecum18.htm
“And since truth cannot contradict truth, we define that every statement contrary to the enlightened truth of the faith is totally false and we strictly forbid teaching otherwise to be permitted. We decree that all those who cling to erroneous statements of this kind, thus sowing heresies which are wholly condemned, should be avoided in every way and punished as detestable and odious heretics and infidels who are undermining the catholic faith. Moreover we strictly enjoin on each and every philosopher who teaches publicly in the universities or elsewhere, that when they explain or address to their audience the principles or conclusions of philosophers, where these are known to deviate from the true faith – as in the assertion of the soul’s mortality or of there being only one soul or of the eternity of the world and other topics of this kind – they are obliged to devote their every effort to clarify for their listeners the truth of the christian religion, to teach it by convincing arguments, so far as this is possible, and to apply themselves to the full extent of their energies to refuting and disposing of the philosophers’ opposing arguments, since all the solutions are available.”

First Vatican Council:
ewtn.com/library/COUNCILS/V1.HTM
2. If anyone says that human studies are to be treated with such a degree of liberty that their assertions may be maintained as true even when they are opposed to divine revelation, and that they may not be forbidden by the Church: let him be anathema.

Pope John Paul II:
vatican.va/holy_father/john_paul_ii/apost_constitutions/documents/hf_jp-ii_apc_15081990_ex-corde-ecclesiae_en.html
§ 3. In ways appropriate to the different academic disciplines, all Catholic teachers are to be faithful to, and all other teachers are to respect, Catholic doctrine and morals in their research and teaching. In particular, Catholic theologians, aware that they fulfil a mandate received from the Church, are to be faithful to the Magisterium of the Church as the authentic interpreter of Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition.
 
Just persist - you are doing God’s work, and He loves you for it. Don’t give up. If I were in your class, I would be right there with you. 😃

When people get angry in debates, I find that 90% of the time it means they are losing the debate.

If this is going on in a Catholic school, I would report it to the bishop. I’ll be praying for you.
 
carol_marie said:
I think I would make him state the obvious… I would raise my hand and ask, “So Prof., do you believe that you know better than the Pope? Are you saying that the Pope is wrong and you are right… and that we should reject the Pope’s views on this issue… and instead, accept yours?” And then ask him how he any different than the Protestants - isn’t he Protesting what the Pope & the Church has said? Shouldn’t he consider himself Protestant - rather than Catholic??
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This is good - I would say this.
 
perez639 said:
I am disgusted by one of my classes at a Catholic University. Not only is the professor stuffing his extremist beliefs down our throats about gay marriage but has 99% of the class convinced that it would do a lot of good for our country. Most of the students claim to be Catholic BUT feel that implememting gay marraige in our nation will benefit children in the long run. I literally feel like I am the only one in class trying to fight the issue. It is draining and my fellow classmates become so angry when they argue their perversed points to me. Nobody cares about the traditional family anymore. I am so terrified for the day I will one day (God-willing ) be married and have children. How can a professor bias a class completely to this one topic is my question, and how are Catholics so easily swayed? It’s like losing a battle everyday in class. I leave in tears everytime. I wish i could record the responses I hear. Mind you the class is Social Problems and who would have known that the sole focus would be gays and their rights… I came to this institution hoping it would strengthen my faith but feel it is instead trying to tear it apart.

Also, I thought this was a great link that was overall short and easy reading

nogaymarriage.com/tenarguments.asp

Peace be with you all,

Neomi
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Can you give a couple of examples of the rhetoric he uses to justify his moral relativism?
 
perez639 said:
I am disgusted by one of my classes at a Catholic University. Not only is the professor stuffing his extremist beliefs down our throats about gay marriage but has 99% of the class convinced that it would do a lot of good for our country. Most of the students claim to be Catholic BUT feel that implememting gay marraige in our nation will benefit children in the long run. I literally feel like I am the only one in class trying to fight the issue. It is draining and my fellow classmates become so angry when they argue their perversed points to me. Nobody cares about the traditional family anymore. I am so terrified for the day I will one day (God-willing ) be married and have children. How can a professor bias a class completely to this one topic is my question, and how are Catholics so easily swayed? It’s like losing a battle everyday in class. I leave in tears everytime. I wish i could record the responses I hear. Mind you the class is Social Problems and who would have known that the sole focus would be gays and their rights… I came to this institution hoping it would strengthen my faith but feel it is instead trying to tear it apart.
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I would send a letter to the dean of the college. I would also pray for the soul of the professor that he experience his own conversion. Christ said some of his harshest words regarding those who lead others to sin. The way of the cross is not easy, but it sounds like you’re on the right path. Perservere.
 
Some of the things I would do if I were in that position:

-point out that it is a class room and his students are not a captive audience for him to indoctrinate with his agenda

-read a lot of material and try to be knowledgeable enough to hold my own–know the Catholic position and the reasons for it, in case he attempts to misrepresent it.

-if he wants to have honest debate, point out that he should discuss opposing arguments even if he disagrees with them and he should do his best to be objective and do the opposing arguments justice-- without mockery or dishonesty pointing out the Catholic position–not just present the side that supports his agenda. Thats just propagandizing.

-point out that if he is not able to give an object perspective, being fair to both sides, he has no business talking on the subject.

-if the gay topic is irrelevant to the class material, point out again that this is not the place for him to push his agenda. You are paying to be educated on the class material, not to be enlisted into the gay rights camp.

-write a letter to the dean and other important people making it clear that it is a Catholic institution and you don’t approve of views contrary to Catholic moral teaching being disseminated by its professors. I’m not sure who else to send the letter to. If you send the letter to enough people in the faculty you probably will hit someone who cares. If there are any good priests on the faculty, especially in the area of ethics, I would talk to them for advice. (notice I said “good” priests) Know that any Catholic institution ultimately is the responsibility of the local Bishop.
 
darc said:
I agree with Irish. This line of questioning is good. It will cause others in the class to think.

But I would still report this.
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I don’t know which university this is but judging from the OP, I am guessing that it is just a secular school with a Catholic name. Chances are most of the professors, including this one, are not Catholic and most of the students are not Catholic. So appealing to the authority of the Pope probably would not help but could hurt by hardening everyone there to Church authority. If its a Theology or Philosophy class or is a “real” Catholic University, then an appeal to papal/church authority and the witness of the Bible and 2000 years of Christian tradition might help.
 
It’s the same at my university, supposedly “Catholic”, the profs are unbelievable, always bashing the church, unnecesary sexual comments, approving abortion, contraception, homosexuality, married/female clergy, you name it. This coming from the head of the religious studies department, as well as others. Half of them are alumni so that explains a lot.
I sit there fuming while everyone else thinks that is what Catholicism is all about, that other stuff is just old nonsense. I skip a lot of class :mad: because I can’t take it. I’m so “proud” to be getting my degree from this place in a couple months. Best part- going back to my happy bubble.
 
yugnok said:
I don’t know which university this is but judging from the OP, I am guessing that it is just a secular school with a Catholic name. Chances are most of the professors, including this one, are not Catholic and most of the students are not Catholic. So appealing to the authority of the Pope probably would not help but could hurt by hardening everyone there to Church authority. If its a Theology or Philosophy class or is a “real” Catholic University, then an appeal to papal/church authority and the witness of the Bible and 2000 years of Christian tradition might help.
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It is a HUGE mistake to make the assumption that this university is Catholic in name only. There are a handfull of Excellent Catholic Universities and I’ll bet everyone here could scream out five or six of thier favorites but sadly I’ll bet no one can come up with more than ten that are true to thier faith (and funding.) My wife went to one in seattle where the priest in charge of the Chapel was openly gay. I went to a decent Catholic College in Montana but even it was beginning to show signs of elite progressivism. (That was 1997) These schools are given blank checks to rob our youth of the values that parents have worked so hard to instill. And parents (read “moneybags”) are LETTING them though thier ignorance
and face burying. When I was in school and things like this happend three or four of us would argue, debate and teach the teacher, but to no avail sadly the profs go on instructing thousands of kids a year. It is time for the church, the parents, the students to make Catholic universities accountable for thier actions.
 
Potato1 said:
It is a HUGE mistake to make the assumption that this university is Catholic in name only. There are a handfull of Excellent Catholic Universities and I’ll bet everyone here could scream out five or six of thier favorites but sadly I’ll bet no one can come up with more than ten that are true to thier faith (and funding.) My wife went to one in seattle where the priest in charge of the Chapel was openly gay. I went to a decent Catholic College in Montana but even it was beginning to show signs of elite progressivism. (That was 1997) These schools are given blank checks to rob our youth of the values that parents have worked so hard to instill. And parents (read “moneybags”) are LETTING them though thier ignorance
and face burying. When I was in school and things like this happend three or four of us would argue, debate and teach the teacher, but to no avail sadly the profs go on instructing thousands of kids a year. It is time for the church, the parents, the students to make Catholic universities accountable for thier actions.
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I don’t understand why you think its a huge mistake to make the assumption its Catholic in name only. With the sad condition of Catholic schools, I assume they aren’t Catholic and only have a Catholic name until they prove otherwise. They would definitely have to prove their Catholicity if I were going to send one of my children there (if I ever have children). I think its a fair assumption.

The above case sounds like a typical example of stuff I hear all of the time about so called “Catholic” schools.
 
LittleDeb said:
I am sorry you are struggling with the class. Just remember college is college. Professors proport that they are teaching you to “think for yourself.” They aren’t, even at a Catholic School. My friend is encountering the same struggle at a public university.

Use this time to fast and pray for the greater glory of God. Reason alone will not sway your classmates. Your professor’s agenda is obvious. Our own parish priest wrote an article supporting civil unions. (Karl Keating even read it and commented on it.) I am not going to change my pastor and you won’t change your prof or classmates.

But God still can. Put it in His hands and stay there yourself. One person may see your witness and turn to Truth. God bless you during this trying time.
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Thank you for your support LittleDeb, I will put it in the Lord’s hands but continue to stand up for our faith.

Peace Be with you all,

Neomi
 
As others said, write a note to the dean and/or the Pres. They may not even be aware of it. If they blow you off, you have done well, however I would still be inclined to contact alumni and the bishop.

Scott
 
WanderAimlessly said:
That professor must be fired now. He has no business teaching at a Catholic University :mad:

Go to the administration and report him. If there is no results, go to the bishop where the university is located. He has total control of the university’s Catholic idenity.

Dissent must be eliminated from all levels of Catholic education.
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I agree, I dont understand how this University can hire such a liberal and immoral professor. The problem is that it is not solely a problem with this one professor. If I report I could see this issue blowing up. My roommate also has a class where they bring in gays who make everyone feel guilty because they simply just “wanna be happy like everyone else and be entitled to the benefits of marriage.” She agrees that they deserve that right as well. Every where i go, it seems like everyone is against me. I would be very afraid to get things started w/ the dean but also know that something needs to be done.

Peace be with you all,

Neomi
 
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