Gay Unions or Marriages Adopting Kids

[flightkid]

I was wondering what the official Church position is on homosexual couples adopting kids or babies? Whats the social moral position on that since a baby or kid needs a great home? Does the Church support homosexuals adpoting?

 

[St_Francis]

The Church does not accept this, and closed down their Catholic Charities in Massachusetts when that state began to require that adoption agencies consider these types of “couples.”

Why? because this type of home is not “great.” When two people are involved in a sinful lifestyle, one which is objectively less stable, this is not a “great home.”

And a home in which sin is constantly being touted as “good” is also a very bad situation in which to raise a child, who has been created to know, love and serve God in this world so as to be happy with Him in the next.

I have 4 children. Children totally need 2 parents of the opposite sex, because each one gives different things to the child. Yes, we all know children who are raised in single-parent homes who turn out fine, and children from 2-parent homes who do not, but why would anyone *place *a child in a less-then-ideal environment?

 

[kimmielittle]

The Church does not accept this, and closed down their Catholic Charities in Massachusetts when that state began to require that adoption agencies consider these types of “couples.”

Why? because this type of home is not “great.” When two people are involved in a sinful lifestyle, one which is objectively less stable, this is not a “great home.”

And a home in which sin is constantly being touted as “good” is also a very bad situation in which to raise a child, who has been created to know, love and serve God in this world so as to be happy with Him in the next.

I have 4 children. Children totally need 2 parents of the opposite sex, because each one gives different things to the child. Yes, we all know children who are raised in single-parent homes who turn out fine, and children from 2-parent homes who do not, but why would anyone *place *a child in a less-then-ideal environment?

 

[Nec5]

The Church does not accept this, and closed down their Catholic Charities in Massachusetts when that state began to require that adoption agencies consider these types of “couples.”

Why? because this type of home is not “great.” When two people are involved in a sinful lifestyle, one which is objectively less stable, this is not a “great home.”

And a home in which sin is constantly being touted as “good” is also a very bad situation in which to raise a child, who has been created to know, love and serve God in this world so as to be happy with Him in the next.

I have 4 children. Children totally need 2 parents of the opposite sex, because each one gives different things to the child. Yes, we all know children who are raised in single-parent homes who turn out fine, and children from 2-parent homes who do not, but why would anyone *place *a child in a less-then-ideal environment?

I agree with you, but I’ll play devil’s advocate since this is the most common argument made:

Isn’t a less-than-perfect 2 gay parent household better for the kid than bouncing from foster home to foster home?

It’s essentially a lesser-of-two-evils argument.

 

[kimmielittle]

I agree with you, but I’ll play devil’s advocate since this is the most common argument made:

Isn’t a less-than-perfect 2 gay parent household better for the kid than bouncing from foster home to foster home?

It’s essentially a lesser-of-two-evils argument.

Hiyas
IMHO Your argument has merits if we threw Catholicism / Christian values / teachings out the window. The Catholic Church can not.

I hope this helps

 

[vera_dicere]

I agree with you, but I’ll play devil’s advocate since this is the most common argument made:

Isn’t a less-than-perfect 2 gay parent household better for the kid than bouncing from foster home to foster home?

It’s essentially a lesser-of-two-evils argument.

There are thousands, probably tens of thousands of hetrosexual couples wanting to adopt. When there are so few children to adopt, why should society allow these precious children to be dumped in the kind of home two gays would provide?

I’m not saying the homosexual couple would love the child any less, or abuse them in anyway, but kids need a male and female influence in the parenting roles. I have a very liberal, feminist, pro-gay, pro-abortion friend who was raised by her father and his gay partner. Her mother and father had been married, but he came out when this girl was born, her mother took off for a host of other really unpleasant reasons. But long and short, my friend told me that while she loved both her dads, and she supported their right to marry, she wished she had a mum, she said that there were some things she could just never discuss with her dads, not stuff like periods but things like “girl feelings” that two men, even gay men, could never hope to understand or experience.

The whole “all those kids rotting in foster care” is a bit of a misleading statement. The majority of children in foster are in a kind of legal limbo, where their own biological parents won’t give up parental rights, so they can’t techinically be adopted.

The liberals and secular tell us not to force our “religion” down their throats, well, I’d like to know what they consider telling children that gay is okay. My 3 year old niece once told me when she got home from kindergarden “Hey, Aunty, its okay for someone to have two mummies! And its okay for a boy to like another boy and marry him”.

My sister wasn’t too worried, but she slipped from her faith years ago and her daughter is suffering from it.

 

[St_Francis]

I agree with you, but I’ll play devil’s advocate since this is the most common argument made:

Isn’t a less-than-perfect 2 gay parent household better for the kid than bouncing from foster home to foster home?

It’s essentially a lesser-of-two-evils argument.

No, it’s essentially not an argument. Homosexual couples are not looking to adopt children “bouncing around” in the foster care system but the same children who are available for adoption and whom married couples want to adopt.

 

[Jermosh]

To be honest, I would feel better if the Church denied this to the whole host of other grave acts. Morbid obesity and alcoholism have contributed far more to the decline of the Family then gays have ever done combined. Lets call a spade a spade here. I am morbidly obese BTW, and although I do deal with discrimination, I have yet to here about it from the pulpit.

 

[St_Francis]

To be honest, I would feel better if the Church denied this to the whole host of other grave acts. Morbid obesity and alcoholism have contributed far more to the decline of the Family then gays have ever done combined. Lets call a spade a spade here. I am morbidly obese BTW, and although I do deal with discrimination, I have yet to here about it from the pulpit.

Despite the fact that many see the possibility or reality of society’s officially sanctioning homosexual “unions,” we are not talking about the decline of the family here. We are talking about whether or not homosexual “couples” ought to be allowed to adopt.

(Also, I would totally disagree with you.)

 

[Eris_Discordia]

As a bisexual, I would love to adopt a kid who is stuck in the foster system, because I have no interest in having my own children. I think I would rather give an older child a loving home who would not get it otherwise then to let the child rot, only to be thrown out on the streets at 18. This would be my goal whether I was with a female or male. I feel like we need to have more people adopting older kids, and if there was a gay couple who wanted to adopt an older child, how can that be worse than the foster system?

 

[St_Francis]

As a bisexual, I would love to adopt a kid who is stuck in the foster system, because I have no interest in having my own children. I think I would rather give an older child a loving home who would not get it otherwise then to let the child rot, only to be thrown out on the streets at 18. This would be my goal whether I was with a female or male. I feel like we need to have more people adopting older kids, and if there was a gay couple who wanted to adopt an older child, how can that be worse than the foster system?

As was previously pointed out, most children who are still in the foster system are not eligible for adoption.

 

[Eris_Discordia]

As was previously pointed out, most children who are still in the foster system are not eligible for adoption.

Which is a shame, honestly. I think the foster system is extremely flawed, and there are a lot of children left out in the cold after being bounced around. Honestly, my heart breaks for them.

 

[St_Francis]

Which is a shame, honestly. I think the foster system is extremely flawed, and there are a lot of children left out in the cold after being bounced around. Honestly, my heart breaks for them.

It is all very sad.

 

[vera_dicere]

To be honest, I would feel better if the Church denied this to the whole host of other grave acts. Morbid obesity and alcoholism have contributed far more to the decline of the Family then gays have ever done combined. Lets call a spade a spade here. I am morbidly obese BTW, and although I do deal with discrimination, I have yet to here about it from the pulpit.

Its kind of interesting to note the differences in homily topics between countries. I really wish the Priests down here would talk about abortion, euthanasia and gay unions, instead we get homilies about obesity and how drinking or other similar behaviours can harm the family. THe other day we got one on the environment!

 

[Jermosh]

Its kind of interesting to note the differences in homily topics between countries. I really wish the Priests down here would talk about abortion, euthanasia and gay unions, instead we get homilies about obesity and how drinking or other similar behaviours can harm the family. THe other day we got one on the environment!

Yeah that is odd, although I have seen a few on the enviroment.

 

[Benadam]

As our awareness dawns, as we become conscious of the world around us, we need an environment that provides a microcosm of humanity in it’s wholeness. Children deserve to know humanity in it’s wholeness. Only a man and a woman can provide a microcosm of humanity. Only within that environment does a person naturally come to know their own humanity in it’s wholeness.

 

[JackQ]

I was wondering what the official Church position is on homosexual couples adopting kids or babies? Whats the social moral position on that since a baby or kid needs a great home? Does the Church support homosexuals adpoting?

I honestly don’t know if there is an official Church position per se. The Church does teach that sodomy is a sin, as is adultery, fornication, masturbation, and living with a sexual partner other than a spouse, still living, to whom one has been validly married (sometimes referred to as a “second marriage”).

What about people who do such things adopting children? Less than ideal, to be sure. I am an adoptive father of three children. My wife and I are both practicing Catholics, and we are validly married according to canon law. Given the imperfections of their adoptive father, I would have to say that the situation of these children is less than ideal, although better than it would have been otherwise.

I notice that the question of homosexual “couples” adopting children often comes up, but never whether couples in “second marriages” as previously defined should adopt children. But both circumstances involve potentially mortal sin. Why the distinction?

Now homosexual “couples” often adopt children that others don’t want to take, thinking particularly of HIV infected children. Should we be campaigning to put a stop to this? If someone answers “yes,” then my next question to that person is whether he would be willing to adopt a child, or two, or three, because there are a great number of children out there who need homes.

To those who do not want to participate in adopting children, but who still want to object to others doing so, I recommend in the strongest terms, that they do the Catholic thing, and spend more time working on improving themselves rather than complaining about what others do under circumstances that the complainers know nothing about.

 

[flightkid]

i agree and well put! thks:thumbsup:

 

[Timbothefiveth]

Why the distinction?

It’s probably because we don’t have a massive “second marriage” movement. However, I agree we shouldn’t be adopting to those in second marriages either.

 

[atassina]

Since all children are wanted by heterosexual couples, why allow homosexual couples to adopt? They are choosing a childless life. Let them live the truth they have chose. Biology is destiny in this circumstance.