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SacredHeartFan
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I STRONGLY disapprove of homosexuality, but if someone has these feelings, doesn’t that mean that God gave it to them?
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NewUlm1976_2000
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Yes, it can be interpreted that way. It is not a defining personal characteristic of you have same-gender preferences. The whole of the person is much more.
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St_Aloysius
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I have homosexual preferences and I still don’t know whether or not I believe in the so-called “gay gene.” Freud postulated that this stuff began as early as development in the womb, though, and from there was later solidified by environmental factors, parental relationships, childhood experiences, etc.
Whether the “conversion therapies” that aim at reversing one’s sexuality are actually healthy or effective is debatable. The RCC, which is usually pretty up-to-date on these things believe it or not, sees it generally as being highly dubious, as do I.
I think that we’ll be judged differently, according to our own crosses, and that this is the way God will examine each of us. On one hand, there are some who have no conflict of conscience, and I know this will be taken into account, but for those that do, it will be different, I think. Besides, we are much better at identifying ourselves as the “Bride of Christ.”
I am a horribly insecure person, and Christ represents to me all the solidity, all the steadiness, all the security, that I lack. When he holds me, I feel real–like I should. For one such as myself, my sexual identity, when used properly, helps me to experience Christ in a way most don’t get to honestly.
Just my two cents…
Whether the “conversion therapies” that aim at reversing one’s sexuality are actually healthy or effective is debatable. The RCC, which is usually pretty up-to-date on these things believe it or not, sees it generally as being highly dubious, as do I.
I think that we’ll be judged differently, according to our own crosses, and that this is the way God will examine each of us. On one hand, there are some who have no conflict of conscience, and I know this will be taken into account, but for those that do, it will be different, I think. Besides, we are much better at identifying ourselves as the “Bride of Christ.”
I am a horribly insecure person, and Christ represents to me all the solidity, all the steadiness, all the security, that I lack. When he holds me, I feel real–like I should. For one such as myself, my sexual identity, when used properly, helps me to experience Christ in a way most don’t get to honestly.
Just my two cents…
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Gaurdian
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ABSOLUTELY NOT, God does not had out SODD (Sexual Orientation Disorder Disease). That is like saying He gave someone Schizophrenia. Everyone in this life has Crosses to bear, rich, poor, gay, straight, men, women, etc. Their is no gay gene, their’s no way to transport a gay gene from one generation to the next, even if their could have been such a molecular/DNA structure someone would have found it by now. They have isolated, however a few proteins that are statistically higher amounts in those with SODD.
Some folks have become straight after trying, others have not. But we are all called to live a chase life outside of marriage.
James 4:7-8 “So submit yourselves to God. Resist the devil, and he will flee from you. Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you of two minds.”
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St_Aloysius
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You’re right that they haven’t conclusively found any “gay gene.” Scientists typically dissent over this point, but as of now there is simply insufficient evidence for it…
And to the above (Guardian):
WOULD YOU PLEASE STOP USING THAT STUPID ACRONYM THAT BRINGS TO MIND SODOMY EVERY TIME YOU ADDRESS A PERSON WITH HOMOSEXUAL TENDENCIES!
sigh It’s just ig’nant.
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blessedtoo
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No.
God gave us the gift of desire to insure that men and women would marry, conjugate, and reproduce.
The fact that some desire becomes disordered is a result of our fallen human nature.
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puzzleannie
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no, God does not give people an inclination to sin. that inclination is called concupiscence, or desire for immoral things, and is a result of original sin. God does not “give” people disorders, even those that can be proven to be present from birth (as the homosexual inclination has NOT been proven) such as Down’s syndrom or diabetes. The disorders are present for a variety of reasons (genetic, mutation, in utero influence like drugs, accident during birth etc.) and like all disorder in the world are also the result of original sin. Even in such a disorder, and the homosexual inclination is inately disordered, whether present from birth or aquired due to some other influence out of the person’s control is not a sin, is not the person’s fault, but the person still needs to understand his disorder, to deal with it, to learn to avoid things that aggravate it, and understand that allowing the disorde to govern his actions will be harmful. A person with a strong tendency to alcoholism must learn to avoid alcohol. A person with a strong tendency to homosexual acts must learn to avoid them. Both persons are in danger of grave physical, mental and spiritual harm if they give in to these inclinations.
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Newbie2
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There was “scientific” conclusion about a “gay gene” NOT existing from recent studies in fruit flies.You’re right that they haven’t conclusively found any “gay gene.” Scientists typically dissent over this point, but as of now there is simply insufficient evidence for it…
And to the above (Guardian):
WOULD YOU PLEASE STOP USING THAT STUPID ACRONYM THAT BRINGS TO MIND SODOMY EVERY TIME YOU ADDRESS A PERSON WITH HOMOSEXUAL TENDENCIES!
sigh It’s just ig’nant.
Personally, I doubt such a gene exists in humans.Thank you, St. A. I agree that the acronym is stupid; “Disease Disorder” is redundant and the implication is unnecessary and quite possibly insulting to chase homosexual persons.
But back to the OP…
We all have our crosses to bear, whether physical or mental. Perhaps people with SSA have been given that particular cross to bear in their lives? Maybe that’s their challenge; to live a chase life? It certainly cannot be easy to resist with the wide-spread secular acceptance of so-called gay relationships.
NewUlm has a very good point, and one that has interested me for some time now; why do (at least) some homosexual persons define themselves by their sexuality? Since sexuality is only a part of the whole being, why is it the most important thing in some of these people’s lives?
Great response, puzzleannie.
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turtle18
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You’ve got to be kidding right? If I am single woman and I become attracted to a married man, does that mean God gave me those feelings? I don’t think so.
If they did come from God, it is probably a test to see how I will react–whether I will chose His will and not pursue these feelings or whether I will chose my own will and pursue it even though I know it is wrong.
If they did come from God, it is probably a test to see how I will react–whether I will chose His will and not pursue these feelings or whether I will chose my own will and pursue it even though I know it is wrong.
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1ke
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Pedophiles have sexual feelings towards children, does that mean God gave them those feelings?
Any sexual desires that are oriented in a way other than between husband and wife are disordered. God does not “give” people disordered desires.
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Newbie2
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I surmise that free will has a lot to do with it as well, as has been eluded to in other posts.
For example, how many of us have had, if only for a fleeting moment, a thought while you’re driving to swerve into the other lane or into a bridge abuttment? I’ve heard it’s very common.
Can we control such thoughts, or thoughts about our attractions? No, but we can influence them. We can allow such disordered thoughts to control us or we can, with God’s help, conquer them.
It’s certainly not easy or permanent; it’s a never ending battle.
For example, how many of us have had, if only for a fleeting moment, a thought while you’re driving to swerve into the other lane or into a bridge abuttment? I’ve heard it’s very common.
Can we control such thoughts, or thoughts about our attractions? No, but we can influence them. We can allow such disordered thoughts to control us or we can, with God’s help, conquer them.
It’s certainly not easy or permanent; it’s a never ending battle.
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Rand_Al_Thor
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I think that there are different causes of homosexuality in different people’s cases. I think with some people yes, they may have been born that way (and this is not to say that God gave them that orientation, just like he didn’t give pedophiles theirs). Others, something happened to them at a young age that affected them and caused it. Others, it may be a choice. A co-worker of mine, who is also a friend, is gay. This, I believe, came from his upbrining. He was brought up in an atheist household, his mother recently “became” a lesbian, and his sister used to be a stripper. Obviously something affected him with that family situation.
I have a friend who is a former homosexual. He no longer is. Of course this doesn’t happen for everyone, but for some people it is possible to change.
In Christ,
Rand
I have a friend who is a former homosexual. He no longer is. Of course this doesn’t happen for everyone, but for some people it is possible to change.
In Christ,
Rand
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puzzleannie
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it should probably be clarified in this context as well, that while God does not will evil, does not will a child to be born with any disorder, does not will anyone to acquire a disorder, and that all suffering and disorder is the result of sin in the world, even the suffering of the innocent, he does permit suffering and disorder and wills the cooperation of the soul with His grace in order that the disorder and suffering may be used to the benefit of the soul, to bring this soul closer to God, to purify the soul and prepare the soul for eventual union with God.
For someone afflicted with this particular temptation or inclination, just as for someone with a physical disability, mental illness, personality disorder, born into poverty, or facing any other challenge, that becomes this person’s route to holiness. God does give each person the strength and grace needed to bear the affliction, and it is up to that person to avail himself of God’s freely given grace, and allow God to work in him, even as he battles that enemy.
can’t think where the quote is, bible or elsewhere (somebody here probably has a better memory than I) but as it says
Of whom much is asked, much is forgiven.
For someone afflicted with this particular temptation or inclination, just as for someone with a physical disability, mental illness, personality disorder, born into poverty, or facing any other challenge, that becomes this person’s route to holiness. God does give each person the strength and grace needed to bear the affliction, and it is up to that person to avail himself of God’s freely given grace, and allow God to work in him, even as he battles that enemy.
can’t think where the quote is, bible or elsewhere (somebody here probably has a better memory than I) but as it says
Of whom much is asked, much is forgiven.
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Jaypeeto4
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God, who disapproves of homosexual acts in all cases,
would never “create” a person WITH a strong homosexual orientation.
That being said, I don’t believe that gay people wake up one morning and say,
“Gee !! I think I’ll become GAY !!”
That would be ridiculous.
What I firmly believe is that after our first parents
in prehistorical times rebelled against God and lost the life of sanctifying grace and physical perfection,
since then ALL of their children— that’s US folks —
are born with one or more physio-psychological disorders and inclinations. For some people, that is a disordered physical/emotional attraction to the same sex. It is disordered,
but it is not something the person CHOSE, so it is not
(the attraction) a Sin in itself. However, since it’s a disordered attraction due to concupiscence and physical imperfection,
a person with this orientation will eventually commit the sexual activity unless he or she walks in continual deep fellowship with God, daily begging for the help of the Holy Spirit to be victorious over this orientation, so that the person conquers IT and not the other way around. Some will say IT’S NOT FAIR THAT WE HAVE THIS ORIENTATION IF WE CAN’T ACT UPON IT,
but that is really a childish objection. What it is, is a Cross that one is called to faithfully bear so long as God sees fit to ALLOW it to remain. EVERYBODY who is walking with God will suddenly one day come to realize that he or she has some very painful crosses to patiently bear, not just gay folks.
God bless,
Jaypeeto4
+JMJ+
would never “create” a person WITH a strong homosexual orientation.
That being said, I don’t believe that gay people wake up one morning and say,
“Gee !! I think I’ll become GAY !!”
That would be ridiculous.
What I firmly believe is that after our first parents
in prehistorical times rebelled against God and lost the life of sanctifying grace and physical perfection,
since then ALL of their children— that’s US folks —
are born with one or more physio-psychological disorders and inclinations. For some people, that is a disordered physical/emotional attraction to the same sex. It is disordered,
but it is not something the person CHOSE, so it is not
(the attraction) a Sin in itself. However, since it’s a disordered attraction due to concupiscence and physical imperfection,
a person with this orientation will eventually commit the sexual activity unless he or she walks in continual deep fellowship with God, daily begging for the help of the Holy Spirit to be victorious over this orientation, so that the person conquers IT and not the other way around. Some will say IT’S NOT FAIR THAT WE HAVE THIS ORIENTATION IF WE CAN’T ACT UPON IT,
but that is really a childish objection. What it is, is a Cross that one is called to faithfully bear so long as God sees fit to ALLOW it to remain. EVERYBODY who is walking with God will suddenly one day come to realize that he or she has some very painful crosses to patiently bear, not just gay folks.
God bless,
Jaypeeto4
+JMJ+
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KathleenElsie
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I think you might be thinking of Luke 12:48
**47 **And that servant who knew his master’s will but did not get ready or act according to his will, will receive a severe beating. **48 **But the one who did not know, and did what deserved a beating, will receive a light beating. Everyone to whom much was given, of him much will be required, and from him to whom they entrusted much, they will demand the more.
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neophyte
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I’ve had to deal with very strong feelings of wanting to abuse drugs. Does that mean that God gave me the urge to drop acid?
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rayne89
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I agree, it shouldn’t be SODD anyway. It’s SSA which is: Same Sex Attraction.You’re right that they haven’t conclusively found any “gay gene.” Scientists typically dissent over this point, but as of now there is simply insufficient evidence for it…
And to the above (Guardian):
WOULD YOU PLEASE STOP USING THAT STUPID ACRONYM THAT BRINGS TO MIND SODOMY EVERY TIME YOU ADDRESS A PERSON WITH HOMOSEXUAL TENDENCIES!
sigh It’s just ig’nant.
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rayne89
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Would you think God game pedophiles sexual feelings for children?
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masterjedi747
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Ummm… hello? Yes. Exactly.
Are you telling me that if someone is born with a disease, or develops a disease, we can’t possibly understand that as a cross that God in His Divine Providence gave them to bear?
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