Gays in the military

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Yup, you are there to serve. It’s not about you, it’s about your obligation to defend your country.

“I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. [So help me God.]”
The Uniform Code of Military Justice forbids homosexual behavior. Thus if one upholds this oath his oppostiion to serving with open homosexuals is an affirmation of the oath he took. Accordigly your assertion that one who does not want to serve with open homosexuals is not fir to serve is nonsense.
 
Ok first off: UTMJ forbids conduct.not thoughts. Second, issue in question is the amendment of the UTMJ, so no not nonsense. I know lot’s of (gay) guys who have abstained from sex for years and have no need to lie about who they are. So if your dislike of gays is is more important than you country, that’s your problem.
 
So you slime those serving our country becuase they dont share you view(a minority view) on the morality of Homoaexual behavior?
why should morality play a part in someone defending our country? how many married soldiers have had affairs with their female counterparts? how many have affairs and are still in the military, fathering kids from women, other than their wives? if morality is what you are most interested in when it comes to the military, then all people living immoral lifestyles should be banned, or let go.
 
Ok first off: UTMJ forbids conduct.not thoughts. Second, issue in question is the amendment of the UTMJ, so no not nonsense. I know lot’s of (gay) guys who have abstained from sex for years and have no need to lie about who they are. So if your dislike of gays is is more important than you country, that’s your problem.
So one should disobey the UTMJ or they are not fit to serve? Should they all resign until the UTMJ is amended to suit you version or morality? Again claming that one who adheres to the UTMC as it is currently written(not as you want it written) is not fit to serve is nonsense.
 
why should morality play a part in someone defending our country? how many married soldiers have had affairs with their female counterparts? how many have affairs and are still in the military, fathering kids from women, other than their wives? if morality is what you are most interested in when it comes to the military, then all people living immoral lifestyles should be banned, or let go.
A married soldier who has an affair is subject to court martial and dismissal just as those who engage in homosexual behavior are. The Military is not a jobs programs not should be it be used for social expermintation. We have the most effective military in the History of the World lets not screw it up for the sake of political correctness.
 
Again claming that one who adheres to the UTMC as it is currently written(not as you want it written) is not fit to serve
Well actually, yes that is what I think. And I make no apology for that view point. It’s my country too.
The Military is not a jobs programs not should be it be used for social expermintation.
I could not have said it better myself, and excluding homosexuals is the worst form social experimentation.
 
A married soldier who has an affair is subject to court martial and dismissal just as those who engage in homosexual behavior are. The Military is not a jobs programs not should be it be used for social expermintation. We have the most effective military in the History of the World lets not screw it up for the sake of political correctness.
We are only talking about their conduct while they are serving, though, no? If someone does not ‘come out’ while they are serving…it should be left alone. I don’t look at it as PC…I look at it as basic human rights. There are people who don’t subscribe to our way of thinking…who don’t follow God’s laws…who don’t live a moral life…but should they be discriminated against, if they are silent about their personal life, and live up to the standards that the military is seeking? You’re not going to end homosexuality in this way.
 
Well actually, yes that is what I think. And I make no apology for that view point. It’s my country too.

I could not have said it better myself, and excluding homosexuals is the worst form social experimentation.
Actually, given how the military was created and run for 200 years, including them is.
 
We are only talking about their conduct while they are serving, though, no? If someone does not ‘come out’ while they are serving…it should be left alone. I don’t look at it as PC…I look at it as basic human rights. There are people who don’t subscribe to our way of thinking…who don’t follow God’s laws…who don’t live a moral life…but should they be discriminated against, if they are silent about their personal life, and live up to the standards that the military is seeking? You’re not going to end homosexuality in this way.
But that’s the way it always was! That’s why don’t ask, don’t tell is a farce, and a Clinton ploy to garner support in a new presidency. It accomplishes nothing. At the end of the day, despite the letter of the law, it amounts to “as long as you keeo your secret, it’s cool.” Like that wasn’t always that way?

Obviously, if 50 years ago, if someone was gay, and didn’t come out while they served, there was no problem. So as long as no one knows, you can be gay. Almost laughable, when you break it down.

And besides, the overall unit is far more important than the feelings of the individual. The right to express homosexuality isn’t a God given freedom. If the military restricts that for the greater good itself, so be it.

You CANNOT mandate nice feeling from others.

Also, why don’t men and women shower together if gay men and straight men do?

Again, those in the know, those who have served or are serving, always statistically end up on the same side of the issue. Should we disregard their knowledge and opinion in favor of those who have enver BEEN IN the military?
 
We are only talking about their conduct while they are serving, though, no? If someone does not ‘come out’ while they are serving…it should be left alone. I don’t look at it as PC…I look at it as basic human rights. There are people who don’t subscribe to our way of thinking…who don’t follow God’s laws…who don’t live a moral life…but should they be discriminated against, if they are silent about their personal life, and live up to the standards that the military is seeking? You’re not going to end homosexuality in this way.
I have said I agree with the Dont ask dont tell policy which is what you are describing above.
 
Well actually, yes that is what I think. And I make no apology for that view point. It’s my country too.

I could not have said it better myself, and excluding homosexuals is the worst form social experimentation.
Is that right? Then why do we have so many perverts in the priesthood molesting children?
 
I think you mean pedorist and not pedophile. A pedophile would fall under the heading of a heterosexually.
 
I think you mean pedorist and not pedophile. A pedophile would fall under the heading of a heterosexually.
Since a true pediophile does not care what gender they molest perhaps they are bi-sexual?
 
Since a true pediophile does not care what gender they molest perhaps they are bi-sexual?
I’m am one of the (very) small minority of people who believe there is no such thing as bi-sexual. As for a child molester not caring about the gender of the victim, and I’m sure that’s the case in a lot of the time. I don’t think it’s really a matter of sexual desire but seeing his.her victim as an emotional equal. And in those case there might (but I have my doubts) be some possibility of help for them. Unlike someone who is just attracted to boys or girls, in that case there is no help for then dispite what overs might say.
 
I’m am one of the (very) small minority of people who believe there is no such thing as bi-sexual. As for a child molester not caring about the gender of the victim, and I’m sure that’s the case in a lot of the time. I don’t think it’s really a matter of sexual desire but seeing his.her victim as an emotional equal. And in those case there might (but I have my doubts) be some possibility of help for them. Unlike someone who is just attracted to boys or girls, in that case there is no help for then dispite what overs might say.
I am suspicious of bi-sexual myself. I think it is often used by someone who doesnt want to admit they are homosexual. In reality the pediophile does not fit the dedfinition of either homosexual or heterosexual and I dint beleive there is much that can be done to “help” them other than lock them up for a long time.
 
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