Gender Differences

[TimeEntrance]

Here’s how I see it:
Beware of women who act like dudes.

Stands peeing?

 

[TimeEntrance]

You have no idea how PUMPED UP I got when reading this. Man. THAT was THE way of life. That is what we need today. That is what all men need to be today. Lord, please, I pray for these values to once again storm this Earth in a torrent of courage and bravery.

I’ve wondered more than once what life today would be like if that was the manly ideal instead of gangsterism today.

http://ts1.mm.bing.net/th?id=I.4841193423831252&pid=15.1

Gotti seems to have viewed professional athletes (boxers probably excluded) as low lives. He was caught on jail house tape upbraiding his grandson for wanting to grow up to be a professional athlete (baseball or something). And told him he should get an honorable profession like becoming a lawyer.

Part of my inspiration for getting into college was this man here and his two lawyer sons.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Frank_Balistrieri



In the book Gomorrah a father (I think the author’s if I recall correctly) that is a medical doctor tells his son a real man has a college degree and a gun. And that a man with a degree but no gun is not a real man and man with a gun but no degree is not a real man. Actually, he used some curse words but I can’t quote those on here.

amazon.com/Gomorrah-Personal-Journey-International-Organized/dp/0312427794

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/51WirlP8a3L.BO2,204,203,200_PIsitb-sticker-arrow-click,TopRight,35,-76_AA300_SH20_OU01.jpg

 

[TimeEntrance]

Indeed.
Sadly, chivalry had been demonized in many circles.

Yeah… but it was more than just bravery like lerapt pointed out. Mobsters can be brave and in the Sicilian Mafia or Chicago Outfit as opposed to the Neapolitan Camorrah… they obey a strict pyramid of authority.

But they lie and steal and swindle and take pay offs etc. The Chicago Outfit controlled much of the Chicago judicial system up into the early 1990’s and they even got paid by a pedophile to make sure a judge and jury never convicted him.

Sicilian Mafia are known as “Men of Honor” too. And their - as well as the American La Cosa Nostra’s - Omerta was sacred at onetime.

 

[Crescentinus]

Even in Catholic circles. It won’t take long even on this forum to find that out.

I fear that we are entrenched in the sort of philosophical liberalism too deeply to fix anything. It will take an act of God to restore. Woe to those who oppose His will in the coming age.

Amen!

 

[Crescentinus]

Stands peeing?

As in, acting like a man and denying her femininity in the process.

 

[TimeEntrance]

As in, acting like a man and denying her femininity in the process.

Kind of like standing while peeing.

 

[Crescentinus]

Kind of like standing while peeing.

But worse than that.

 

[Tietjen]

And, i repeat myself but it has to be repeated often because it is often ignored, even if you have a discrimination free society, in which for each job only the most qualified are selected, in which each man and woman can be found in any position and in which not the slightest implication whatever from birth onwards is made towards boys and girls, that they should orient themselves to specific jobs, even in such society one might end up with military 80% men, police 70% men, infantry 95% men, riot police 99% men, kindergardeners 90% women, basic school teachers 60% women, people working in voluntary uncompensated charity 90% women, people having the job “evil heartless job-destroying capitalist” 90% men and so on.

The error of modern society is to ignore this and somehow assume that all should and will one day be 50%.

Carn, please relax for a moment. I don’t think that anyone is blatantly disputing what you are saying concerning the sexes gravitating or excelling at specific roles in society. However, stop and consider this for a moment… why is this? Is it because when you were growing up society “expected” and/or groomed the sexes for roles in which had traditionally been gender specific? I ask this knowing from personal experience that there are very able-bodied women out there that can indeed hold their own on the battlefield and in a riot formation just as there are men out there that do very well educating our children. As I said before, the only restrictions that need to be applied is whether or not the PERSON being considered for the position is capable of performing the tasks required of them (the exception being those positions relating to the clergy). Like it or not, society is blurring the line between what once was considered a “men’s only/women’s only” profession. One hundred years from now, I expect that this won’t even be a point of discussion.

 

[carn]

I don’t think that anyone is blatantly disputing what you are saying concerning the sexes gravitating or excelling at specific roles in society.

Depending on the scope of “anyone” (this thread, this forum, Church, western society) someone does:
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nordic_Gender_Institute
“The Norwegian Parliament addressed these television reports, the core of the criticism concerned the scientific neglect of the biological to the social component.”

And thats not only Norway, its across all Europe. I once took part in a discussion, where a police officer with 12 years experience, 3 of those exclusively riot police, spent some hundreds of words trying to explain, why police is male dominated and riot police is exclusively male according to his experience and why that is ok. He could not get through the gender hogwash with objections like "but a similar trained and experienced women certainly … ", to which his “i never met a single female police officer, who could physically handle the usual male suspects, while most male police officers i met can” was to no avail.

However, stop and consider this for a moment… why is this? Is it because when you were growing up society “expected” and/or groomed the sexes for roles in which had traditionally been gender specific?

Of course it has multiple causes, but a difference caused by biology remains. Read about the above institute, it was closed, because this so-called scientific institute ignored the scientific evidence for biological factors. Its proven beyond doubt, that men biologically have on average more muscle buildup with same training and are more aggressive.

That is naturally an advantage in some jobs and a disadvantage in others.

I ask this knowing from personal experience that there are very able-bodied women out there that can indeed hold their own on the battlefield and in a riot formation just as there are men out there that do very well educating our children.

Yes, but that experience in no way provides information about the averages.

As I said before, the only restrictions that need to be applied is whether or not the PERSON being considered for the position is capable of performing the tasks required of them (the exception being those positions relating to the clergy).

I never would say otherwise. I am married to a female PHD physicist, who researched kaon production in proton proton collisions.

The problem is politicians and society look at percentages and conclude solely from these, that discrimination is happening. Thats wrong. For example, German politicans noticed that big companies in Germany have few women in top positions, noticed that Sweden or Norway has a 30-50% quote for women in top positions and therefore thought it great if Germany copied this (and Europe copies this as well). The idiocy:
Norway/Sweden is dominated by non-classical-engeneering companies while in germany cars are especially important. What should the core of managers of car companies consists of?
Of people knowing something about cars, especially how to build them?

Excellent, that means that current non-discrimnation selection methods for managment in German car companies should and must lead to many men in high positions, because car the work force of the car companies form the bulk of people having knowledge about the construction of cars´and this work force is mostly male.

And what do genderwashed politicians achieve?
That the pool of suitable (=having sufficient knowledge about cars + other skills) candidates for a part of management positions is cut down by something like 90% because the number of women having sufficient knowledge about cars + other skills is rather small. Great plan, which is only possible, because people ignore average differences.

Like it or not, society is blurring the line between what once was considered a “men’s only/women’s only” profession.

I neither like nor dislike it, nature is as nature is. It can be sometimes changed, but only if one knows what on is up to. I dislike people unable to understand, although the female heavyweight world champion can deal easily with most men, that on average men are better at beating up other people and more willing to do so than women.

One hundred years from now, I expect that this won’t even be a point of discussion.

Only with serious genetic engeneering or implanting devices in the brain.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Testosterone
“On average, in adult human males, the plasma concentration of testosterone is about 7-8 times as great as the concentration in adult human females’ plasma,”

" include growth of muscle mass and strength, increased bone density and strength, and stimulation of linear growth"

“Castration of males usually has a pacifying effect on their aggressive behavior. In humans, males engage in crime and especially violent crime more than females. … Many studies have also been done on the relationship between more general aggressive behavior/feelings and testosterone. About half the studies have found a relationship and about half no relationship”

Unless we alter the human genom such that male testosteron levels fall or females rise or we develop some strongly behavior influencing brain alterations, in 100 years the overwhelming majority of violent criminals will be male and the majority of those police forces that have to fight them, especially in case of close combat, should be male.

 

[carn]

A shorter reply:

Carn, please relax for a moment. I don’t think that anyone is blatantly disputing what you are saying concerning the sexes gravitating or excelling at specific roles in society.

That exactly is not only blatantly disputed, its completely ignored by modern societies with people suggesting otherwise threatened by social anathema.

 

[TimeEntrance]

But worse than that.

Some of them are in Europe with hair under their arms.

I don’t think I could deal well with a woman that chews tobacco.

 

[scameter18]

To narrow the scope of this topic a bit, since it seems to have dwindled down to an argument, here is a new topic:

Is gender (or sex, if that is the more proper term to indicate the differentiation of people from men and women) entirely mental and physical, or is it also spiritual? Is there a spiritual difference between men and women?

 

[lerapt78]

To narrow the scope of this topic a bit, since it seems to have dwindled down to an argument, here is a new topic:

Is gender (or sex, if that is the more proper term to indicate the differentiation of people from men and women) entirely mental and physical, or is it also spiritual? Is there a spiritual difference between men and women?

Is it even possible to measure something like that?

 

[scameter18]

Not scientifically. But nothing about the soul can be “measured” - it can only be discussed by reason and faith, as St. Thomas Aquinas did.