Gender dysphoria?

[Joie_de_Vivre]

God doesn’t make mistakes, if one was born a boy, then it was intended. Gender dysphoria is encouraged by people who have the mindset that we are the products of chance, that there is no creator, and we are forced to construct our own self. Its sartre’s ‘existence precedes essence’ in action. In other words it is purely atheistic and believers have to recognise it as a sickness, whether it be psychological, physiological or spiritual.

If one was born blind does that mean that that is God’s plan for them and that it is wrong to try to make them able to see?

We live in a postlapsarian world.

Obviously those suffering from it have to be treated with the utmost compassion and sensitivity, but it strikes me as a very juvenile attitude connected with immaturity and pubescence. How can we expect young people to determine their entire identity with so little life experience? It is up to parents to guide and nurture their children’s growth as persons, and provide a sense of security, well-being and purpose.

There are many people who transition later in life, often it is that or suicide as their life has become unlivable. Lynn Conway for example transitioned at 30 and she is incredibly brilliant.

 

[Jerurussia]

Boy oh boy! Yes!! Estrogen dominance is everywhere! You know what else is a sign of estrogen dominance? A big belly. It’s true. And you know what else is the problem? There is soy in just about everything. And soy imitates estrogen in the body as well. I try hard to limit my family’s exposure to all these xeno estrogens. I really think it’s behind a lot of women’s fertility problems as well. Too much estrogen means the body’s hormones are off balance and then they have too little progesterone. Not enough progesterone and you cannot sustain a pregnancy. My 4 sisters all have this problem.

Yep. Bubba with a belly has the cleavage to match, and that’s ESTROGEN DOMINANCE, not “gender dysphorism.” I CROWN THEE QUEEN!

 

[marymary1975]

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Had I grown up today I would probably have been diagnosed with gender dysphoria. When I was about to start kindergarten I threw a massive tantrum because I was a boy and I would refuse to wear a skirt to school because boys don’t wear skirts. If you see any childhood picture of mine you would think I was a boy. I used to cut my own hair short, stole my male cousin’s clothes and wore them, refused to be called by my name because it sounded feminine, never played with anything for girls and still up to this date I am not what you would consider girly. Because of my own experience I have very strong positions on it and I heavily disagree with how the modern culture approaches it.

Of course that there are people with hormonal issues and of course course that are people that deal with this condition. But encouraging people to live a lie and make others follow up on on the lie is completely wrong and to me it damages the person who suffers from the iisue. Also with every discussion I have seen on gender disphoria people always want to bring up hetmaphrodism and genetical disorders. Truth is 90% of people who have had this issue do not have any level of hermaphroditism or have any geneyical disorder. I also don’t like when people bring the hormone argument because hormone while they may have an influence should not determine your behavior.

In my opinion gender disphoria boils down to two things, confusion specially in cases like mine of small children, the children is mostly cconfused and to approach the issue to the child under the view oh you think you are a boy despite you are not oh OK let make everybody else believe you are a boy and convince your own self that you are a boy is highly damaging and makes the confusion ten times worst. And second, self hatred towards your own body. What our current society does is encourage the self hatred and make you live a lie to hide the reality you don’t like.

Thanks to God my family was smart enough to deal with me the right way and they never gave into the i a a boy lie. A person with GD needs help yes but help on understanding where the confusion comes from , based on that look for other ways to fix the problem not through a lie, learn self acceptance and teaching them to accept reality and face their problems.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

If one was born blind does that mean that that is God’s plan for them and that it is wrong to try to make them able to see?

We live in a postlapsarian world.

There are many people who transition later in life, often it is that or suicide as their life has become unlivable. Lynn Conway for example transitioned at 30 and she is incredibly brilliant.

Brilliancy has nothing to do with sinfulness or lack of.

 

[PutresOmega]

The evidence says what the evidence says. For some people, it is a phase in childhood they grow out of. In others, it is measurable differences in the way their brains are structured. For the latter, you can’t really call it a sin if that is what they are. Sin is a willful disobedience - one can hardly choose the crosses that God (or God’s failure) rests on their shoulders.

It was the next logical step in what I think is Satan’s plan to destroy the society that God planned for mankind…

If Satan is so much more powerful than God, why worship God?

 

[marymary1975]

The evidence says what the evidence says. For some people, it is a phase in childhood they grow out of. In others, it is measurable differences in the way their brains are structured. For the latter, you can’t really call it a sin if that is what they are. Sin is a willful disobedience - one can hardly choose the crosses that God (or God’s failure) rests on their shoulders.

If Satan is so much more powerful than God, why worship God?

If we go by that theory then murder by psychopaths should not be considered a sin because there are measurable differences in their brain. As I said before that is a cheap excuse to justify behavior and to take the easy path. Indeed hormones and brain activity have anbefrect on us but god gave us freedom of will and the ability to make decisions. It may be a cross (personally I beg to differ as I think the cross part has a lot to do on the way it is handles in current society) but you have the ability to say no and make decisions over what you want.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

Brilliancy has nothing to do with sinfulness or lack of.

I was refer to the use of “juvenile”

If we go by that theory then murder by psychopaths should not be considered a sin because there are measurable differences in their brain. As I said before that is a cheap excuse to justify behavior and to take the easy path. Indeed hormones and brain activity have anbefrect on us but god gave us freedom of will and the ability to make decisions. It may be a cross (personally I beg to differ as I think the cross part has a lot to do on the way it is handles in current society) but you have the ability to say no and make decisions over what you want.

It wouldn’t make it not a sin, though perhaps it might diminish culpability.

I’ve actually known some transwomen as they transitioned and the hormones even before they start making a noticeable physiological different seem to make a major difference in the mind. A difference large enough that some no longer need any antidepressants, in some cases antidepressants as heavy as benzodiazepines.

The transgender brain has been shown to have substantially more in common in the brain of cisgender people of birth sex. It appears as though before HRT the brain is in a state of distress due to not reacting well to the hormones the body produces and HRT seems to bring the hormones to a level where the brain no longer is distressed by it.

 

[Jobis]

If one was born blind does that mean that that is God’s plan for them and that it is wrong to try to make them able to see?

We live in a postlapsarian world.

There are many people who transition later in life, often it is that or suicide as their life has become unlivable. Lynn Conway for example transitioned at 30 and she is incredibly brilliant.

Everything is God’s will. He is the first cause, and every subsequent event is a result of that cause. So yes, being born blind would be God’s will, how else could evil arise? It is intended to bring about some good.

However blindness is clearly an affliction that we can and should treat if possible; there are few benefits from being sightless. Gender however, is a neutral quality; one cannot say it is ‘more desirable to be a woman than a man’, or vice versa, as one would speak of the benefits of being able to see.

To change genders is not to fix a disability but to deny a reality.

Sometimes life can become unbearable, and that is where it is impossible to survive without Grace, but suicide is a mortal sin. Culpability is obviously lessened depending on the mental state of the person, but we cannot view it as the inevitable result of not having a sex change. God does not allow the devil to tempt us beyond that we can resist with His grace; no one is compelled to commit suicide and subsequently punished for doing so; that would be unjust, and thus not the will of God.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

Everything is God’s will. He is the first cause, and every subsequent event is a result of that cause. So yes, being born blind would be God’s will, how else could evil arise? It is intended to bring about some good.

One must distinguish between God’s passive and active wills.

However blindness is clearly an affliction that we can and should treat if possible; there are few benefits from being sightless. Gender however, is a neutral quality; one cannot say it is ‘more desirable to be a woman than a man’, or vice versa, as one would speak of the benefits of being able to see.

Certainly it is true that gender is inherently neutral however man has made it so that being male is more desirable through privilege and yet there are those who would gladly throw that privilege away so that they don’t have to spend their life pretending to be someone else.

To change genders is not to fix a disability but to deny a reality.

Transgender people aren’t arguing that gender is mutable, they argue that it immutable and that one’s gender doesn’t necessarily align with one’s mind.

Sometimes life can become unbearable, and that is where it is impossible to survive without Grace, but suicide is a mortal sin. Culpability is obviously lessened depending on the mental state of the person, but we cannot view it as the inevitable result of not having a sex change. God does not allow the devil to tempt us beyond that we can resist with His grace; no one is compelled to commit suicide and subsequently punished for doing so; that would be unjust, and thus not the will of God.

It’s not about having a “‘sex change’ operation”, it is about them being able to genuinely be themselves as opposed to spending all of their time pretending to be someone else. Suicide is a grave matter, but that alone does not guarantee that for everyone everywhere it is a mortal sin.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

It’s not about having a “‘sex change’ operation”, it is about them being able to genuinely be themselves as opposed to spending all of their time pretending to be someone else. Suicide is a grave matter, but that alone does not guarantee that for everyone everywhere it is a mortal sin.

How can they be genuinely themselves if they deny what they really are?

 

[Havard]

One must distinguish between God’s passive and active wills.

Certainly it is true that gender is inherently neutral however man has made it so that being male is more desirable through privilege and yet there are those who would gladly throw that privilege away so that they don’t have to spend their life pretending to be someone else.

Transgender people aren’t arguing that gender is mutable, they argue that it immutable and that one’s gender doesn’t necessarily align with one’s mind.

It’s not about having a “‘sex change’ operation”, it is about them being able to genuinely be themselves as opposed to spending all of their time pretending to be someone else. Suicide is a grave matter, but that alone does not guarantee that for everyone everywhere it is a mortal sin.

That assumes that the gender they feel they are is their actual gender. “Even though I have feelings, I am not my feelings. I AM my body.” [Re. soul gender, what about transexuals?] forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=341206

We are composite beings: both bodies and souls, and the only reason we have genders at all is because of this. [Does the soul have a gender?] forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=341074

Angels are purely spirit, and thus genderless. [Can angels be male or female?] catholic.com/quickquestions/can-angels-be-male-or-female

 

[Midwest88]

What you’re talking about is known as a hermaphrodite. Do you actually know of any human hermaphrodites? I mean well documented cases.

I know plenty hermaphrodites living happy, fulfilling lives with their chosen partner(s).

j/k

 

[anibal]

There is something wrong with a man thinking he is a woman or a woman thinking she is a man. It is mutilation with dangerous hormones. Most transexuals were sexually abused in childhood which messed up their minds and transexuals sexually abuse children. Transexuals are mutilated gays and lesbians. I don’t care what others say but mutilating a man or woman to make them fake members of opposite sex is gay/lesbian. And gay/lesbian groups are apologists for Transexuals which is why the word T is there. They must abolish this surgical mutilation.

All transexuals are homosexual/lesbian as the act of mutilating to become false opposite sex is itself an act of homosexuality/lesbianism-sad maiming and make this illegal. Finally, sex change maimings which is mutilating some1 to make them fake members of opposite sex is comparable to trying to make a man a fake animal because he thinks he is an animal trapped in a human body. Most feminists are not speaking against this. 1 would hope that feminists would oppose the mutilation that happened to Chastity Sun Bono as feminists have spoken against Female Genital Mutilation which happens in some nations. Transexuals are mutilations which no Dr. should take part in, yet most feminists are not condemning this female genital and breast mutilation as what happened to Chastity S. Bono where her healthy breasts were mutilated, dangerous hormone shots and her genitals mutilated.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

There is something wrong with a man thinking he is a woman or a woman thinking she is a man. It is mutilation with dangerous hormones. Most transexuals were sexually abused in childhood which messed up their minds and transexuals sexually abuse children. Transexuals are mutilated gays and lesbians. I don’t care what others say but mutilating a man or woman to make them fake members of opposite sex is gay/lesbian. And gay/lesbian groups are apologists for Transexuals which is why the word T is there. They must abolish this surgical mutilation.

All transexuals are homosexual/lesbian as the act of mutilating to become false opposite sex is itself an act of homosexuality/lesbianism-sad maiming and make this illegal. Finally, sex change maimings which is mutilating some1 to make them fake members of opposite sex is comparable to trying to make a man a fake animal because he thinks he is an animal trapped in a human body. Most feminists are not speaking against this. 1 would hope that feminists would oppose the mutilation that happened to Chastity Sun Bono as feminists have spoken against Female Genital Mutilation which happens in some nations. Transexuals are mutilations which no Dr. should take part in, yet most feminists are not condemning this female genital and breast mutilation as what happened to Chastity S. Bono where her healthy breasts were mutilated, dangerous hormone shots and her genitals mutilated.

Yes I agree. Total mutilations. Men who have their penises cut off never feel sexual pleasure again. It’s really sad and the doctors who do this are very immoral.

 

[Rau]

God doesn’t make mistakes, if one was born a boy, then it was intended…

What does that mean? God “chooses” all the misfortunes that befall us?

And even if you believe that, what is the implication for those suffering gender dysphoria?

 

[Rau]

…I recently saw a 1 hour talk show on EWTN about this phenomena of Gender dysphoria. All the people who called in had children, some in their 20’s, who complain that they feel like God put them in the wrong body. No one said anything about having a child who is a hermaphrodite. One member of the panel was a priest. The show concluded with the panel agreeing that Gender dysphoria is an attack on humanity from the devil…

In other words, the sufferers are just choosing to behave this way… is that what that conclusion means?

 

[Rau]

…However blindness is clearly an affliction that we can and should treat if possible; there are few benefits from being sightless. Gender however, is a neutral quality; one cannot say it is ‘more desirable to be a woman than a man’, or vice versa, as one would speak of the benefits of being able to see.

To change genders is not to fix a disability but to deny a reality…

What is it that you think the person with gender dysphoria REALLY wants to be treated? It is the dissonance, the pain the inconsistency. The brain drives them to change body, because the body is not “conscious” - it cannot drive them to do the reverse! But if the brain could be treated - that would also be a solution. It would take courage to take that pill however. - to act against the conscious mind.

 

[Joie_de_Vivre]

There is something wrong with a man thinking he is a woman or a woman thinking she is a man. It is mutilation with dangerous hormones. Most transexuals were sexually abused in childhood which messed up their minds and transexuals sexually abuse children. Transexuals are mutilated gays and lesbians. I don’t care what others say but mutilating a man or woman to make them fake members of opposite sex is gay/lesbian. And gay/lesbian groups are apologists for Transexuals which is why the word T is there. They must abolish this surgical mutilation.

All transexuals are homosexual/lesbian as the act of mutilating to become false opposite sex is itself an act of homosexuality/lesbianism-sad maiming and make this illegal. Finally, sex change maimings which is mutilating some1 to make them fake members of opposite sex is comparable to trying to make a man a fake animal because he thinks he is an animal trapped in a human body. Most feminists are not speaking against this. 1 would hope that feminists would oppose the mutilation that happened to Chastity Sun Bono as feminists have spoken against Female Genital Mutilation which happens in some nations. Transexuals are mutilations which no Dr. should take part in, yet most feminists are not condemning this female genital and breast mutilation as what happened to Chastity S. Bono where her healthy breasts were mutilated, dangerous hormone shots and her genitals mutilated.

Smells like troll

Yes I agree. Total mutilations. Men who have their penises cut off never feel sexual pleasure again. It’s really sad and the doctors who do this are very immoral.

That post has so much ignorance in it. The penis is not just chopped off, generally it is inverted. Having known some transwomen who have had SRS some are if fact very much enjoying sex, far more than they were when living as a man.

What is it that you think the person with gender dysphoria REALLY wants to be treated? It is the dissonance, the pain the inconsistency. The brain drives them to change body, because the body is not “conscious” - it cannot drive them to do the reverse! But if the brain could be treated - that would also be a solution. It would take courage to take that pill however. - to act against the conscious mind.

Most of the ones I know would take the pill pretty fast. Mostly it is about making the excruciating dissonance stop at this point the choices are basically limited to transition or die.

 

[CHRISTINE77]

Smells like troll

The penis is not just chopped off, generally it is inverted.

Ewww! That’s ever worse!

 

[Paleocon]

Do you believe that gender dysphoria is a real condition?

If so, how far should we go to respect those who suffer from it?

I have several friends with gender dysphoria. Usually they request to be referred to as “They” instead of “he” or “she”. Some of them have changed their names to fit their preferred gender.

In general, I support it. Gender dysphoria is a condition that has been studied and shown to exist by many psychologists. I even remember reading about why it happens, the brain development that leads to the mismatch between sex and gender. It doesn’t sound fun, either, and I kinda feel like the least I can do is refer to them with gender-neutral pronouns. I don’t necessarily support their decisions, but I can show respect for their condition.

The other day, I found a Facebook thread with a Evangelical Christian arguing against the existence of gender dysphoria and idk, I had to step in. So I went and I told him that while a religion can certainly say it’s wrong to dress or act like the opposite sex, it can’t erase the fact that there are some people who feel compelled to do so. Basically arguing with him in favor of respect for gender dysphoria. I don’t think I acted wrongly. If I had gender dysphoria, I would still accept the fact that I am female and I wouldn’t request to be treated like a boy or anything, but I would not want people erasing and de-legitimatizing my struggle. Kind of like homosexuality. The feelings are real and present, and although you shouldn’t act on them, it’s nice to have people around you who accept that the struggle you are facing is real.

Do you know what I mean? What do you think?

Edit: I’m not referring to transsex people who actually go through surgery to modify their bodies. I would never support that. Just transgender folks who prefer to dress and act and be treated a certain way to fit the gender they think they should have been assigned.

It is one thing to sympathize with a person going through struggle. It is another to encourage them in unreality.