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I don’t have time to type my whole story out now, but I will do so tomorrow. I have searched on the internet for help with gender identity issues/disorder, but most of the sites are biased towards SRS and encourage transformation. I am looking for Catholic/Christian sites where I can some good advice, maybe a listing of websites I could read or places I could go for some counseling and guidance. I want to live a good life, have a family and have children, but this may come to haunt me. Please pray for me and any and all advice is accepted.

Concerned in Florida
 
Thanks, I have actually checked out this site before. Is there any literature out there that I could read that would be of some use? Is gender identitydisorder/same sex attraction overcomeable. Is it possible for one to be control this, move beyond it, and be proud to be male/female and get married and live a heterosexual lifestyle? Any more advice that can be given as far as literature, websites, etc., or any advice period, please feel free to give it. Thanks for all the love. I am one with you in Christ.

Concerned in Florida
 
hi there,
i’m really glad you are searching for information to overcome your issue and find out what is right in the Lord’s eyes. i know a man who used to have homosexual tendency. he later married a nice woman and has a child now. he is an acquaintance and i really don’t know the whole story of how he overcame his struggle. i think it’s a really complicated issue. my brother is gay, and he told us two years ago. he said he always knew, even as a child, and he just can’t change it. and i believe him. i don’t believe he is engaging in homosexual behavior but he has a lot of anger towards the church. but anyway my point is that in my experience with friends and family i think some people are born the way they are and that is it. they can live a life of chastity for God and that is their cross. i think some other people are born with certain tendencies that can be overcome, and they can move towards a more traditional married life and be happy with that. i will be praying for you! feel free to pm me if you would like to ever talk more.😉 take care
 
It should be noted that the founder of Exodus eloped with one of his staff (hardly the only case like that, too) and has since issued a public apology to anyone harmed by the activities of the group he started. And so-called ‘reparative therapy’ is snake oil; Joseph Nicolosi of NARTH admits that of all such patients at his clinic:
  • One third experience “significant improvement – they understand their homosexuality and have some sense of control.” However, they may engage in same-sex sexual behavior.
  • Another third are “cured;” they refrain from same-sex behavior and the strength and frequency of their same-sex desires is diminished, but not necessarily gone.
  • The other third fail to change.
Bottom line, ‘praying the gay away’ doesn’t seem to have much going for it, no matter how you dress it up. Fortunately, Catholicism doesn’t require you ‘turn straight’, but simply that you remain chaste (just as an unmarried heterosexual person must, only you don’t get to jump that hurdle). So don’t fret too much on that score; as long as you’re celibate, you’re alright with Rome 🙂

Gender identity issues, now, are a whole different ball of wax: it isn’t about what you like in a partner, it’s feeling out of place in your own skin. Courage, I believe, is a support group primarily for homosexual and bisexual Catholics; while transgendered/transsexual people are often lumped in with the first two groups, I’m not sure how much help Courage can really offer there.

As to whether it can be controlled? The human mind is a strange and wonderful thing, capable of controlling quite a bit – but sexual orientation, and even more gender identity, are pretty central parts of it. Hard to say, but I guess it’s a bit like keeping a wolf on a leash: it might be cowed or stifled, but complete control is asking a little much.

It’s really kind of a rock and a hard place between GID and the Church. That’s about all I can offer on the subject of walking that particular tightrope (not that there’s much more to it, as far as I’m aware), but if you want to discuss things in general without necessarily worrying about the religious angle, feel free to shoot me a PM. Good luck, and you’re in my heathenish thoughts 🙂
 
Check out www.narth.com for more clinically based articles from an acknowledgement and understanding of man as created in God’s image and likeness.
 
Thanks, I have actually checked out this site before. Is there any literature out there that I could read that would be of some use? Is gender identitydisorder/same sex attraction overcomeable. Is it possible for one to be control this, move beyond it, and be proud to be male/female and get married and live a heterosexual lifestyle? Any more advice that can be given as far as literature, websites, etc., or any advice period, please feel free to give it. Thanks for all the love. I am one with you in Christ.

Concerned in Florida
God bless you friend.

Check out this thread. It will give you an excellent perspective on how Catholics have dealt with ssa and other sexuality issues.
forums.catholic-questions.org/showthread.php?t=151591

There are quite a few of us here who have been able to overcome ssa and live joyfilled lives. Some of the books that have been helpful are:
amazon.com/Truth-About-Homosexuality-Cry-Faithful/dp/0898705835/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1203402347&sr=8-1
The above was written by the founder of the Courage ministry.

amazon.com/Courage-Be-Chaste-Benedict-Groeschel/dp/0809127059/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1203402411&sr=1-1
 
Gender identity issues, now, are a whole different ball of wax: it isn’t about what you like in a partner, it’s feeling out of place in your own skin. Courage, I believe, is a support group primarily for homosexual and bisexual Catholics; while transgendered/transsexual people are often lumped in with the first two groups, I’m not sure how much help Courage can really offer there.
Yes, I was thinking the same. I’m at a loss as to what to recommend for RCatholic13 since I don’t think sites dealing with SSA really are quite the thing. But I will certainly pray for RCatholic and family - it must be a very difficult situation.
 
Courage is equipped to deal with all issues regarding sexual identity/orientation and confusion. As a member myself, I can recommend it highly.
 
I don’t have time to type my whole story out now, but I will do so tomorrow. I have searched on the internet for help with gender identity issues/disorder, but most of the sites are biased towards SRS and encourage transformation. I am looking for Catholic/Christian sites where I can some good advice, maybe a listing of websites I could read or places I could go for some counseling and guidance. I want to live a good life, have a family and have children, but this may come to haunt me. Please pray for me and any and all advice is accepted.

Concerned in Florida
You need to find a good Christian counselor to help you with these issues. Find a good priest who can give you recommendations. If you need help finding a good priest, finding the parish with the most vocations to the priesthood is a start. Also, check out www.couragerc.org. This website is a resource for those struggling with homosexuality, and I’m sure Gender Identity issues are dealt with as well. There are ways to contact Courage (the organization whose website I just gave) and they can probably help you.
 
Gender identity issues, now, are a whole different ball of wax: it isn’t about what you like in a partner, it’s feeling out of place in your own skin. Courage, I believe, is a support group primarily for homosexual and bisexual Catholics; while transgendered/transsexual people are often lumped in with the first two groups, I’m not sure how much help Courage can really offer there.

I understand that you are offering help, but I really prefer if you wouldn’t group me as transsexual or transgendered. Personally, I think that these two terms are used incorrectly in alot of cases. Just because someone like myself may struggle with thoughts of GID does not necessarily constitute us being called these terms. Now, someone who is genetically male and is transitioning, yet they are transgendered, transsexual, or whatever you want to call them. But, a person who may struggle with it and has not given into these temptations should not be referred to in this manner. Frankly, I resent your comment, however I know you mean’t well, just please watch the terms you are using next time 🙂

**As to whether it can be controlled? The human mind is a strange and wonderful thing, capable of controlling quite a bit – but sexual orientation, and even more gender identity, are pretty central parts of it. Hard to say, but I guess it’s a bit like keeping a wolf on a leash: it might be cowed or stifled, but complete control is asking a little much.

It’s really kind of a rock and a hard place between GID and the Church. That’s about all I can offer on the subject of walking that particular tightrope (not that there’s much more to it, as far as I’m aware), but if you want to discuss things in general without necessarily worrying about the religious angle, feel free to shoot me a PM. Good luck, and you’re in my heathenish thoughts **

Ok, so I have read the second part of your post. Maybe its just me, but basically you are giving little hope for anyone who suffers from it is what I am gathering from your statements. I believe that it is someone that can be controlled. Frankly, from your statements I catch the drift that you see conformity as the only option, in another words, removing my male parts and living a female life, correct? What do you mean by “It’s really kind of a rock and a hard place between GID and the Church?”. I appreciate your offer to talk about this is private, but it seems as if your perspective is not a religious one. Are you for transitioning or do you see it as a hellish action? Frankly, whether I did chop my male parts off or not, I would still be a male. A sex change cannot change genetics, bottomline. Yes, maybe I struggle with these things, but you don’t know the whole story. Read the next post and maybe it will explain some things. I know you are trying to help, but be careful of what you say. Sorry if I am coming off wrong, but being grouped as a tranny is not something I really appreciate…

 
Hello everyone,
  • So I promised when I first started this thread that I would try to explain my backstory to the best of my ability at a later date. Well that date is now, so here it goes:
  • I am the oldest child in my immediate family. Got a brother that is 20 and a sister that is 4. My parents were married until the end of my 8th grade year, then divorced. My mother had an affair with a man that was 19 years her junior. He was 18 or 19 at the time. It is a rather odd story. He worked with my father and when his mother booted him from the household, he needed a place to stay, so we took him in. Now, my life up until this point was rather normal to the greater extent. I was an average young boy. I played sports, had alot of guys friends, did everything that a boy my age pretty much did. The one thing that seperated me from the “normal” boys was that I had mental issues from a young age. Early on in my life, I was diagnosed as having ADD(changed to ADHD later on in life). I was put on ritalin and it wasn’t until after I had taken it for a number of years that the bad effects it had on people began to surface. So, as you can guess, my mother kept a tight leash on me. I couldn’t go any farther than my yard until about the age of 10. My condition seemed to cripple me. I was treated and coddled as if I were abnormal. When I got too hyper, I used to hear the phrase often “just pop him a pill”. In another words, I felt like I was a charity case.
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     So, back to the tenant, he moved in with us around my 4th grade year.  By my 6th grade year, my mother started an affair with him.  From 6th grade to 8th grade, my life was rocky at times.  My parents fought alot.  I suspected something was going on with my Mom and Ron, but when I used to ask she lied to me.  It eventually led to my parents seperation and divorce at the end of my 8th grade/early 9th grade year.  Now it gets ugly though.  I found out at the end of my 9th grade year that my mother lied to me about everything.  Yeah, really nice of her.  Soon after, there was a confrontation between my dad and my moms lover.  Cops intervened.  My moms family sided with my father.  I remember telling her lover I wanted him dead like my dad did and I told him thanks for ruining my family you SOB.  So, all this led to me moving with my father for about 1-2 weeks when finally he and his parents pretty much decided that I should go back with my mother, in another words, they were tired of me and my brother.  So we went back.  Life was hell at times until about the age of 19.
  • Now, I can tell you tons of things about these years, but I will stick to the general things. First off, her lover moved in with us and became her boyfriend sometime after I moved back home. This was around the beginning of my sophomore year. Now granted, I had been a good student up until that point. I did well all the way up until 2nd half of freshman year, when my grades started to fall. I got a 3.929 my first quarter, and when I told my mother that I wanted a 4.0, I simply got told that maybe I wasn’t 4.0 material…yeah just what you want to hear from such a supportive parent. So, combined with all that was going on, my grades fell significantly. I became depressed, not to mention the fact that I had Obessive-Compulsive Disorder. My family bickered and argued with each other. If I went to my dads or my dads parents, I had to hear about everything constantly. If I was with my mom and Ron(future stepfather), I had to hear about how bad my father was. Me and my brother were basically treated like gophers, stuck in the middle of everything. The only escape I had was when I went with my moms father, sister, brother in law, and their two girls. In fact, I hated having to leave my grandpaps house on sundays, bc I used to stay with him on the weekend. I knew it was back to hell and back to reality. They were my comfort zone and still are today.
 
So, around this time of all this turmoil, I began to masturbate alot and look at alot of porn. I was learning about sex the wrong way, but it seemed like my way to releave stress and excape everything. Also, the impure relationship my mother was engaged in wasn’t necessarily a great example in itself either. Also, I didn’t hit puberty until 16 and only through the intervention of growth hormone shots. I remember being embarrased bc everyone else was so grown up and I wasn’t. I was totally embarassed. So this, combined with everything else going on brought on depression. Sophomore year started. Things weren’t well at home. I was taking growth hormone shots to help me with puberty, so emotions were running wild. Girls could care less about me. I had low self esteem. Noone asked me to homecoming(i did ask and go with a girl) freshman year, I didn’t even go sophomore year. I wasn’t a great athlete and was the runt of the group and frankly insecure and the brunt of alot of peoples jokes. I didn’t feel like I fit in at all. So, about october of sophomore year, I began saying how I wanted to kill myself(only a threat, never meant it). My mother took me seriously and I got admitted to a hospital for troubled youth. I was diagnosed as bipolar(8 years later I would find out that I NEVER HAD IT!) and put on medications. Here we go, I got treated as a charity case once again. I couldn’t do the things other kids did. I wasn’t allowed to go hang with friends alot and when I was, I had to be home alot earlier than everyone else. I didn’t get to experience high school like I should have either. I didn’t drink, didn’t have sex, nothing of the sort. I never had a girlfriend all through high school either. I was given a bedtime at the hospital and my mother stuck to it, so when considering that I couldn’t concentrate much as it was, my books were taken off of me at a certain time whether I was done with everything or not and I was sent to bed. My grades fell even more after all this. I almost failed some classes sophomore year as a result. Most of high school was rocky to say the least. I continued to be treated like a baby, wasn’t allowed to go many places, and home life wasn’t spectacular. I graduated high school in 2002 and went on to college. Before I describe college however…

*] Now, here was the worst part. I never had a great relationship with my father to begin with. Frankly, he never took much time to try to understand me. We hunted and fished together and I enjoyed my time with him, but when it came to the emotion and heart to heart side of the spectrum, he was never there. I never had an intimate relationship with him. We never discussed “guy” things and I could never open up to him. In a sense, he was a racist homophobe. I love him, but its true. I remember one time in particular when I told him that I stared at another boys penis bc it was bigger than mine and I couldn’t understand why, and his reply was “your gay”…he wasn’t serious I don’t think…but that comment caused me alot of worry for many years. I began to worry about being gay alot, even going as far to prove that I wasn’t, only to reach conclusions that I was, or at least I was in my little mind. OCD was BAD at this point!
 
*] *] On the other end of the spectrum, my stepfather was no cup of tea either, in fact he was worse than my father. I can’t tell you how many times he put me down, bullied me, and made me feel like ****. I got called every name in the book from fag, to queer, to you name it. I remember one time when sexual curiosity at the age of 15 caused me to insert something into a specific area of my body(if you catch the drift). I was scorned for this and pretty much told that only gay people do that. I always was the brunt of his joke, even around others. He would go out of his way to make me feel like trash, putting me down every step of the way. I remember him even telling my mom that I should have been “her little girl” instead of her boy. He became very mentally abusive in most cases, and continued to be until I moved out/got kicked out at age 19. Now, maybe you can wonder why I escaped to my little world of porno and masterbation. It was my way out. Soon however, it turned into a monster. I began to experiment. Sex became an obsession to me. About the middle of high school, I began snagging the porno’s my dad had stashed in the basement or watching the videos that were available, or checking them out online as well. I began to experiment anally, would find myself getting kinky and trying to dress as a female slut in private, only to sexually gratify myself. I have never been able to grasp why or when this started, but i just continued and even got more extreme. I continued to question whether I was gay. My OCD got very bad. I would question my sexuality, my gender(although not as bad during these years), and other things. I don’t know, but maybe these acts were an escape from the real world, although I masterbated alot, I never engaged in odd behaviors such as this up until this point. I also didn’t question my gender role or sexuality much until about the age of 13 or 14. I always liked girls, even at a very young age.
*] Concerning the porno, they were usually female related or lesbian related. However, when I came across a shemale pic or a male pic, I would become fascinated and obsess that I was gay for being curious.
 
*] So, high school ended. I went to college at a branch of Ohio U. My first year I felt like an outcast. I wasn’t good with girls and still didn’t have a girlfriend. Sophomore year rolled around and I met amanda during the 2nd half of the year. She became my first girlfriend and I lost my virginity to her. I didn’t love her, but I liked the sex and intimacy, although I later became attached. Our relationship was rocky either way and my stepfather and sometimes mother went out of their way to put their foot down. There were times when I wasn’t permitted to talk to her on the phone for more than 10 min. This strained our relationship. She also got to see how I was treated too and didn’t think it was right. During our relationship, my biological father died of cancer.s At any rate, she got an opportunity to move 2 hours away and live with family. Our relationship ended soon thereafter and I was heartbroken. It didn’t help that my mother and stepfather made sure that most of the time i could talk for a short period of time and had to get off the phone. I was treated like I was 5, and here I was, 20 years old. My stepfather went out of his way to threaten me on occasion, continue to put me down, slander me, and make me feel like ****. Maybe, just maybe, one can understand WHY THE HELL I HAD DEPRESSION DURING THIS TIME SPAN! I felt like I had no way out. I remember on one occasion him telling me something like “you know your retarded” or “slow” or something like that. He was dead serious too. Made me feel like ****. So, we ended and I began to spend alot of time with friends, started drinking alot more and drinking and driving. One day it culminated and I got kicked out of the house and moved across the ohio river and in at a party house with some friends. I partied alot, made new friends, and started getting involved with the wrong crew. My college grades suffered and I failed alot of classes, eventually dropping out during the second half of 2005. People that I thought were my friends turned out not to be. I suffered low self esteem to boot and continued to get picked on at times by these so called friends. I also went through job after job as I lost alot of them due to my irresponsibility. The sexual endeavors continued and I remember times when I would wear womens panties while pleasuring myself. I considered joining the military(as I had since high school), but would have had to lie to get in bc of my mental health record. At any rate, I lived there until age 21. Finally, me and my stepfathers conflicted boiled over on christmas night of 2005. I had a few drinks at my grandfathers and promised I wouldn’t leave home after we got back. When I tried to leave(yeah although 3 hours later, still dumb on my part), my stepfather punch me and finally after 6 years of his abuse, I swung back twice. Cops got called, he went to jail for a night and I should have but he told them not to take me. A restraining order was put up and we couldn’t have contact with each other. Anyways, I lived with a friend for a short period of time over the remainder of the holiday and then had an apartment for a month. I became very depressed, would stay up till 9am then sleep all day, only to get up to eat, in most cases masterbate, and then play video games and get online. This happened more than once. So, after the month was over, I moved back home bc my stepfather had gone to court and they dropped the case against him, which I was hoping it would be. I was depressed, only worked about 1 day a week and wasn’t in college(in fact, I pretty much quit going to class and quit that quarter of school completely). I had lost my maintenance job at mcdonalds due to not showing up on time and calling out sick. So, my stepfather would get on my case about it all. I was called lazy and all sorts of stuff when in reality, I was depressed and couldn’t help it. So, one night he kicked me out once and for all. I moved in with my old roomie nate and lived there until october of 2006(about 7 months) and applied and got accepted to college in Florida. I had talked about it for a while, but noone believed I would do it, nor did they think i could do it either. So, in october 2006 I moved back home and saved up money. I was working for lowes, bartending, and working for a sports store over xmas. I had been with lowes since march of 2006 and I enjoyed my job. In fact, I would transfer stores when I moved to florida just so I could stay with the company. At any rate, I moved to Florida and started college.

*]My first semester was rough. I got sick and was having terrible anxiety issues that led to depression and ultimately I ended up admitting myself to the hospital. I would have all kinds of crazy thoughts, leading me to think I was bipolar, schizophrenic, and you name it. Researching on the net didn’t help either. Heck, I got OCD. Anything I read I think I have. At any rate, I got somewhat better, but then I totalled my car drinking and driving. Thankfully, my grandpap helped me out and got me another vehicle so I could get to school and work. I owe him big time. I started working at another job besides lowes and worked over 50 hours a week sometimes. Summer got better, I moved out of my old roommates house due to an argument(although we get along great now) and moved somewhere else. I moved out of there this past january and now live with one of my best friends. I found some mental health docs down here that are great and I recently found out that I never had bipolar disorder. Now they seem to think I indeed do have ADHD instead, along with OCD of course.
 
*]Here is the main problem that relates to my supposed GID. Porn has become addictive in many cases. I find myself looking at it alot and not just heterosexual pornography, but all kinds. Lately I have become fascinated with trannsexual porno. I find myself wondering what it would be like to be female, dress provocative, and engage in sexual acts as a female or in another words, “be trashy and slutty”. I don’t know why, but it turns me on when I think about this. Lately I have been thinking about Sexual reassignment surgery alot. I can’t understand why. It wasn’t until about the age of 15 or 16 that I have thought “maybe I should have been a woman”. Although sometimes it turned me on to put on womens panties or imagine myself as a woman, I was always ashamed of it and thought that I was a freak or a pervert. Frankly I am confused. I obsess about it. It has been on my mind the past 2 weeks. I am trying to quit looking at porn, but its becoming difficult to stop that and masturbation. I am struggle terribly with it. I also can’t understand my gender confusion, maybe someone can make sense of it. I always did boy stuff as a child, played sports, got dirty, hunted, and fished. But at times in my teennage years, I thought about dressing like a girl(mostly in a slutty way), putting on makeup, nailpolish, provocative lingerie. But, WHY!? Why does this seem to happen to me? I guess I am looking for answers. And it doesn’t help when I search the internet on this topic either, considering that 99.9999999% of the sites promote it as the only way to heal gender confusion. I truly believe deep down that it is a mortal sin to do such a thing as get a sex change, but why do I have these thoughts and get aroused by them. Why do I think about being a girl? Pleasuring myself as a female, having sex as one, wearing sexy clothes, etc???

*]Well, I said I was going to try to explain my life and here it is. Maybe you folks will now have somewhat of a background of myself. Please read it all. I definitely am open for advice and feedback. I feel as if I am a lost cause and according to the websites, it seems the only “cure” is to actually defy the good Lord and get a sex change. And the more I surf the net, the more material I that is unsupportive of God and tells people to “do it”. Now it has lead me to think about this and obsess terribly the past few weeks. I am looking for advice, help, some prayers, anything I can use to overcome this gender confusion. I am open to opinions as well. Maybe someone can make sense of all this and be able to offer some good Christian advice. I hope to hear back from everyone and sorry it was so long.

Derek
 
hi derek,
i, an insomniac, am awake and just read your story. i just wanted to let you know that people care. i am sorry for all the pain you had to suffer that you describe throughout your childhood and young adult years. it is heartbreaking. i wish i had some words of wisdom that would make you feel better, but i really don’t… i don’t know much about gender identity confusion, if that is the right term. i’m sure others on the forum may have more insight but i just wanted to acknowlege your story… you put yourself out there completely and i will be praying for you… that you will find the healing and help and answers you need and seek. you mentioned being involved with mental health professionals for ocd and adhd; do you have a therapist / counselor that you are comfortable sharing your whole story with? or maybe you already have. take care.
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I understand that you are offering help, but I really prefer if you wouldn’t group me as transsexual or transgendered. Personally, I think that these two terms are used incorrectly in alot of cases. Just because someone like myself may struggle with thoughts of GID does not necessarily constitute us being called these terms. Now, someone who is genetically male and is transitioning, yet they are transgendered, transsexual, or whatever you want to call them. But, a person who may struggle with it and has not given into these temptations should not be referred to in this manner. Frankly, I resent your comment, however I know you mean’t well, just please watch the terms you are using next time 🙂
Apologies for any unintentional offense. From your story it sounds like you’re right not to consider yourself such: it’s more a sexual kink or a fetish than actual day-to-day identification as female, yes – something that turns you on, not something that makes you feel at home with yourself? Congratulations, you’re human: kinky and curious like the rest of us. And possibly not 100% straight, but I’m not a mindreader.

Kinks aren’t really chosen but formed unconsciously. Sounds like you drew a slightly weird (but frankly not all that uncommon either) one. Look on the bright side: at least you don’t have to be kicked in the crotch repeatedly to get off! 😉

From the sound of it you’ve had a pretty hellish life. Pretty much the only advice I can offer is ‘see a therapist’, or ‘keep seeing one’ if you already are.
What do you mean by “It’s really kind of a rock and a hard place between GID and the Church?”
The Church’s attitude is more or less ‘you’ll die the same sex you were baptized as’. There is no accommodation even for intersexed people. Transitioning, as you note, is considered to be a sinful capitulation to a mental aberration, and even living as one’s gender without transitioning is generally looked down on as ‘unnatural’.
I appreciate your offer to talk about this is private, but it seems as if your perspective is not a religious one.
You have a gift for understatement 🙂
 
Midrath,
It seems that it only comes up in a sexual/arousal sense. Maybe that seems weird, but that is basically all it centers around: Wondering how it would feel to play the female role in intercourse or be a promiscious female. Yeah, I know its weird, trust me. Its like I get the urge to transition just to feel what its like to masterbate and engage in sex in the female sense. But at the same time, I see my thoughts as impure and I fight them off. Even as a child, I did all the boy things, I hung out with boys, I liked girls, frankly I didn’t do “girly” things persay. I was an everyday boy. It seemed I encountered conflict during puberty during the time of all the conflict that I addressed. Prior to that, other than a fleeting thought of what it would be like to wear a dress when I was in 2nd grade, never really thought about it or considered it. I am sensitive though, so pretty much anything someone says to me I take to heart, especially if its hurtful, even if its indirectly. Yeah, yeah, maybe im not 100% straight, but then again who really is lol. But the thing that I don’t understands is bc I have OCD, I obsess about it all and I start to ask myself if I really want to be a woman. So, I get really worried and anxiety builds up and I get depressed. It is odd. Oh yeah, and no I don’t like getting kicked in the nads like Adolf…lol. Now, when you say
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" even living as one’s gender without transitioning is generally looked down on as 'unnatural"**

are you talking about a man who lives his life as a woman is looked down on…lol…bc a man that lives his life as a man I can’t see as being looked down upon bc…frankly…isn’t a man supposed to live as a man…lmao.

Now, I do agree with the church. No matter how many surgeries one has, the bottomline is that sex cannot be altered. Maybe physical features can, but not chromosomes or dna. As for intersexed people, I am kinda split. Usually aren’t they male with additional parts or female with additional parts. There is no true half man/half woman…makes no sense. Usually to my knowledge one side is predominant.

**I appreciate your offer to talk about this is private, but it seems as if your perspective is not a religious one.

“You have a gift for understatement” **

Now I ask, are you religious or not? Just out of curiousity? What do you really think of gender dysphoria. Do you think it is something that can be overcome or are you for getting a sex change to solve the problem?

Just food for thought…
 
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