Brought forward? Is this to say that a seminarian had his ordination expedited in anticipation of possibly having his testicles amputated?
It is indeed true that you learn something new every day.
And for the most part are quite happy to live their lives as women.
The only male condition I can think of is Klinefelter syndrome where a male has one or more extra X chromosomes. There may be more or less feminine characteristics such as breast development and low testosterone, but the phenotype is largely male. It is treatable by breast reduction and testosterone supplements and they may be fertile. I have no idea about suitability for ordination though.
Except as shown often those natures are not entirely black and white.
I agree entirely, and I did not say anything to the contrary. I certainly wasn’t proposing that they should be forced to live their lives as men, present themselves as men, or even have surgery to make themselves visibly male. Their bodies did not respond to androgen in utero, and they developed as females, though without a uterus and ovaries. I am assuming that even their skeletons are in the nature of a female (wider pelvis).HomeschoolDad:
And for the most part are quite happy to live their lives as women.
That very well could be. Interesting thought.
He may be speaking of other syndromes, ie XY gonadal dysgenesis and XX male. These are extremely rare, but have a phenotype opposite their genotype.
You are more “up on” this science than I am. I had never heard of what you describe. I read something about AIS and this got my curiosity up — I suspect that I have known a couple of women who may have had this syndrome. My mother tells me of a farm worker from her childhood who was, as they called it back then, a “morphodite” — it was common knowledge, nobody gave it a second thought, he was very well-liked by the people in the rural area where my mother grew up (far fringes of the Southern US, 1940s).HomeschoolDad:
He may be speaking of other syndromes, ie XY gonadal dysgenesis and XX male. These are extremely rare, but have a phenotype opposite their genotype.
The XY develops as a mostly normal girl until puberty, which may not happen. Visible signs of this are rare I think, until puberty.
XX males are males, though they may have some sexual deformities, even visible deformities. But some have no visible evidence of having no Y chromosome.
These are thought to be caused by the SRY gene, the gene that usually promotes male characteristics.
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No indeed, I just added that as further info.
I agree we should let the persons choose for themselves.
Indeed it was warped thinking. As for the transgender, many folks think it’s a one-way trip to surgery but the WPATH Standards of Care V7.0 are not goal oriented (i.e. surgery the inevitable outcome) but are patient-centric. The idea is to find a treatment that sufficiently diminishes the dysphoria so that the patient can have a decent quality of life. Surgery is the farthest one can go to achieve that, but there’s a spectrum of possibilities in between. For example, for many hormone replacement therapy is sufficient and indeed the Standard say this:
Everyone is entitled to medical care that makes them feel better. With one exception, abortion. It is a permanent solution to a temporary problem (unwanted pregnancy) that can be resolved without killing, i.e. through adoption.
I think I know of at least two, both striking, tall women, both married and both infertile.
Back in the day (1950s and beyond, when such surgery became possible), the idea was that intersex was horrifying, we’ve got to hurry up and “normalize” this child who has been born with a “sexual birth defect”, and what will we tell people? Society expects a child to be “either a boy or a girl”. If a child were known by others to be intersex, the schoolyard taunts and bullying would have been relentless.HomeschoolDad:
Indeed it was warped thinking.
I’m pretty sure that type of thinking is more prevalent now, in part because we have seen some pretty horrifying results in a couple of cases when the parents and doctor decided to assign an intersex child’s gender via surgery. A lot of people honestly don’t care that much about gender these days. They might not go around making speeches about that because they get a lot of hostility from people (not Catholics specifically, I mean people generally) who think gender is super important.
Hmm, that’s the year I was born. I’m of a more mixed mind. There are some things from 1958 that I would like to have frozen in time, but some I’m not so sure. Actually I’m pretty sure wouldn’t freeze liturgy at 1958. I am glad Vatican II happened on all its levels.
Intersex is not a third sex, it is some combination of male and female. So, male and female he created us; some persons may be both in different degrees.
That’s actually quite true and most transgendered would be aghast to think that they weren’t the gender they perceive themselves to be.